Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[Fbuh]

Why do most 14 year olds look so young and scrawny? I was a big hairy lad (still am) with facial hair at that age (still do). As it is, I'm only 22 and I look ten years older than that. How come shit like this never happened to me?

If anything, she should get in trouble for giving him alcohol. What two consenting, sexually active people do together is none of my bee's wax.

 

[twiceworn]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

ok so you are one of the people that don't fit into the nearly all catagory then but juging by this "A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since" im not the only one who knows this you sir are a minority you are also a better person than most people for it but most people are not like you most men just want sex!!

And I, and he, are agreeing mostly, most men do in fact once sex (as do most women, but that's another kettle of debate). We are saying that most men have the self-restraint available to say no to random hot chicks.

Also, I notice the classic argument there of,

"All men want X,"

"I'm a man, I don't want X."

"Ah, you're different you see, you don't count."

A variation of the No True Scotsman argument.

no i have said all along MOST MEN OR NEARLY ALL so ther is bound to be somone who wont but he will be one in ten thousend its that simple

Okay, lets assume that most MPs in the British parliament are male. Let's also assume that there are less than 1000 men in the British parliament. Therefore, statistically speaking, most people in parliament would not refuse random sex. The question I ask now is, why is prostitution illegal? They want, most men in Britain want it (according to you), why not pass it?

simpe they like staying in power more and the scandle in the papers (which would be for the money) and with family groups and womans groups make it impossible and they can afford to do it in secret anyway

 

[orangeban]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

ok so you are one of the people that don't fit into the nearly all catagory then but juging by this "A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since" im not the only one who knows this you sir are a minority you are also a better person than most people for it but most people are not like you most men just want sex!!

And I, and he, are agreeing mostly, most men do in fact once sex (as do most women, but that's another kettle of debate). We are saying that most men have the self-restraint available to say no to random hot chicks.

Also, I notice the classic argument there of,

"All men want X,"

"I'm a man, I don't want X."

"Ah, you're different you see, you don't count."

A variation of the No True Scotsman argument.

no i have said all along MOST MEN OR NEARLY ALL so ther is bound to be somone who wont but he will be one in ten thousend its that simple

Okay, lets assume that most MPs in the British parliament are male. Let's also assume that there are less than 1000 men in the British parliament. Therefore, statistically speaking, most people in parliament would not refuse random sex. The question I ask now is, why is prostitution illegal? They want, most men in Britain want it (according to you), why not pass it?

simpe they like staying in power more and the scandle in the papers (which would be for the money) and with family groups and womans groups make it impossible and they can afford to do it in secret anyway

But if it was socially acceptable to do it (which it would be if 999/1000 men did it) there wouldn't be a scandal.

 

[snake4769]

Seriously guys? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgoXUzIwXk0 is all i gotta say....

 

[Ayay]

If the roles where reversed the 20 year old male would not see daylight in a long time and there is no reson she should be treated diffently. 14 years old come on thats just wrong.

 

[twiceworn]

A 14 year old is NOT FUCKING INNOCENT! Boy or girl, they know they want sex. If they meet an attractive member of the opposite sex, they will want their dick/vagina. This girl's not a criminal, she was probably just being nice. People calling her a "sex offender," don't know what that actually means.

By the way, I would have fucked her, too. Damn, she's fine!

14 years old also want alcohol, drugs and a bunch of other stuff. doesnt mean you should grant it to them. and that part about her being probably nice is..... sorry, but it was just stupid.


ehhh.... those people who say "i want that too" are apparently just as mature as that guy who got raped (yeah, im going to call it as it should be called). Its sad really, but it just goes to show how bad it is and why it shouldnt happen.

The thing is, if he would get an std this way, he would be in a lot of trouble. If he would get that girl pregnant he would be in a lot of trouble.... Only thats a lie, because, seeing as he is a underage - his parents would be in a lot of trouble. him? sure, but mostly his parents. There are also many others way how this could go horribly wrong, and in pretty much all cases, his parents would pay for it. There are many reasons as to why his mother has right to be pissed.

And even if nothing goes wrong, cmon, getting someone drunk to have sex is a crime. Getting a minor drunk is a crime. Having sex with a minor is a crime. So why in satans glorious name would combination of all those things, not be a crime?

We cannot grant kids "what they want" because they want it.... Doing so is immature. Everything has consequences, and while im not saying that an adult is able to see all of them... An adult is mature enough to suffer them. Something a 14 years old KID is not.

so at sixteen in a mere two years he now knows all he needs to know about the risks of sex, will be fine if he gets an std , and will have moved into his own house so getting her pregnent wont reflect of his parents?? that would be:no no and NO in that order and btw at sixteen males want sex just as much as at fourteen and if you think they are more able to handle it just look at highschool

Yeah, but you have to draw the line somewhere dude. 14? Why not 13? 13? Why not 12? Ect. ect.

16 is a decent place to draw that line because that's when you can leave school, and begin your life proper.

at fourteen if a girl hade came up to you and offered you sex would you have replyed yes? if so looking back on it when you were older would you regret it or would you feel a bit proud that you had got the are you a vergin question out if the way before finishing middle school?

Well I am 14 right now, so this is an appropriate question I guess, but then again I'm also gay so, not really a question that applies to me after all. But you dodged my point, I explained that we have to draw a line somewhere, and 16 is a pretty logical place to do so.

At 14 I'm sure several kids would say yes to an offer of drugs, alchohol, cigarettes or to go shooting strays in the estate. Doesn't mean they should get to do it.

Seriously, what kind of batshit reason for a law repeal is, "Because they want to"?

not law repeal law edit men want sex and will manipulate girls to get it so the law works for females, but tell me this if at fourteen brad pit had got you drunk and slept with you, would you be ubhappy or, LIKE ALL MEN be really happy that you had sex, same goes with other people megan fox gets a guy drunk then sleeps with him, HE IS REALLY HAPPY CALLS ALL HIS FRIENDS. its really simple you cant trick a man into having sex and make him unhappy unless your ugly so for men sex is fine

My god, this is some misandric stuff, we're deep in the rabbit hole now. Okay, let's take this on point by point.

Yes, I'd be frickin' unhappy if Brad Pit got me drunk and had sex with me, because I'd been raped. If he got me drunk to have sex with me, presumably so I couldn't say no, then it's friggin' rape people.

Also, despite what you think, men are more complex than, "Hur, hur, gotta find a hole to shove my dick in." See, sometimes they have reasons not to have sex, say he really doesn't like the person, or he's tired/stressed/ill and doesn't feel like it, or maybe he just says no, and the other person doesn't stop.

Bonus points for assuming no man would want sex with an ugly girl because physical appearences is all that matters in a relationship, or hell even a one-nighter, right?

you missed the point again so ok lets go over this again, sex feels good men like sex go out and ask me if they would mind being tricked into having sex with a really hot girl and the top reply would be "why in hell would i need to be tricked into sleeping with a really hot girl" in some form or other waking up to find you accidentally slept with a really hot woman?? why cant i have that accident more is the first thought. and as to ugly i was talking about base attraction if you are in love with someone and they are 20 and you are 14 is it fair for a law to keep you apart? NO

Okay, maybe you would agree to it, but here is my basic point. Not all men want sex, and of those who do, many don't want it all the time. Men. Can. Be. Raped. Men can also not want to be raped, and be upset about being raped after the raping. This is a fact, even if purely because of the laws of probability (which it isn't.)

yes a man can be raped (as long as she has a strapon) but my point is barring anal rape the sex its self is not the problem its the fact that somone just took the power from you its like being tricked we hate to lose its how men are but barring anal rape or uglynes the sex is not the part that would be the problem

Men can be raped, and you don't need a strap-on dude. Here is a scenario.

Bob is having a drink in a bar with his friend Anna. They get a bit tipsy, Anna invites Bob to her hotel room. They go up, have a bit of fooling around, kissing and a bit of touching. Anna then asks Bob if he wants sex. Bob is a bit embarrassed to have to say it, but he says he doesn't feel like it. Anna laughs, she thinks no man could not want to have sex, especially with her (worth noting at this point that Anna is not unattractive). Bob refuses but Anna pushes him onto the bed, takes off his trousers and starts working on his genitals (which are already pretty alert from the previous kissing). Bob doesn't want to hurt his friend, so he does nothing, but he definetly does not want this. Anna then mounts him and has sex with him (regular penis in vagina sex). Bob is ashamed and hurt that Anna defiled him like that.

That situation there? Rape.

WHY DOESNT HE WANT SEX??? is he gay?? if so fine but im talking about straight males of fourteen so wtf she is a friend so he likes her you said she is atractive there is now no reason for him to not like it its i gift from god!!

No, I forgot to clarify that, but Bob is not gay, he is straight, Anna is a woman (born that way, happy that way), he is not into any kink, he is straight up vanilla. I don't know why he didn't want it, maybe he was tired, maybe he thought it was too far in one night, maybe he thinks sex should wait till marriage. It doesn't friggin' matter.

it vearry much matters if he was tired the turn on would have him up in no time, if he thought it was too fare in one date he would get over it as she fondeled his junk, and if he was waiting for marriage he would tell her so if that was how he really felt if he says nothing he on some level wants it to happen and feels goo in the end, simple

Well, taking the last situation that he is waiting for marriage, I'll try to explain that.

He considered saying it, and tried when he refused to have sex initially. But he was ashamed when she laughed at him and said about how no man refuses sex, and then he saw his erection and thought, "Gee, I must want it after all, I guess (even though he knows he doesn't). And I don't want to not be a real man." This view that no man refuses sex is a reason that people get raped without raising a word of protest, and then not telling the authorities about it.

there are many resons not to say no to sex as a man

1ther guys presure you with sex stories of there own

2:avoiding the are you a vergin question

3:being cooler just for thirty minutes of meaingless sex

as a woman having alot of sex means

1:the other girls call you a slut

2:guys dont respect you as much

3eople see you as an easy go making a propper relationship more dificult

all of which is really unfair and utterly fucked up but leads to a world where most met leap at a chance for sex but woman tend to shy away unless more is being offered

You... You... You just made all my arguments for me. My god, have I been on the wrong side all this time?

Alright, lets get this clear. You think, that because of outside social pressures that many men would leap to have sex with a woman.

I think, that most men would refuse to have sex with random women because they can hold back.

Fundamentally though, we agree that most men would not want (as in genuinally want, nothing to do with societal pressures) to have sex with random women. Would that be correct?

sadly most people bow to social pressure (highschool) so leap at any chance to advance themselves and that is without even considering lust into it so socity puts men into the position that if a woman openly asked for sex ( a social no no for females) he would for so many resons say yes most of the time while there are some people who ignore such things and would act acording to their own jugments without social presure

 

[DoctorObviously]

Not jail, but rehad or something.

 

[twiceworn]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

Oh, so now this 14 year old wants her as much as she wants him? I don't remember that being one of the rules of this situation, that changes things. What I'm saying is that a 14 (plus straight, ect.) year old offered sex by a 20 year old girl (attractive, straight, ect.) may not want her as much as she wants him.

what??? she is older than him better looking and can legaly have sex why does she want him more...........OR AT ALL SHE IS HOT is he like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)as a fourteen yeay old the only way sh wants him more is if A: she has mental problems or B: he is like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)

But, you just said that she wanted him as much as he wanted her in your above post.

as much not more and even as much is pushing it as a fourteen year old would really want her

 

[twiceworn]

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

You do realize that that sounds incredibly arrogant and douchy, right? As in "Because I and most of my buddies would have done it, EVERYONE would have done it and MY WORD IS ABSOLUTE!"

No offense, but there are plenty of 14-year-old boys who wouldn't have wanted that. Straight, ordinary boys. You might think that it's abnormal or something, but there are plenty who really won't actually want sex at that age. Might not have been the case here, but claiming every straight human male of age 14 desires sex with a hot woman and wouldn't oppose such, stat, is incredibly stupid.


And on topic, that's pedophilia, which is a crime, which gets you jail in most places. Don't really see the problem here.

so you are saying that a good looking girl going up to you and saying lets have sex (im asuming you are straight) would get a no? even if seeing gave you a hard on?? i think not

Bisexual, but that doesn't really figure into this. Except to say you shouldn't assume. But to answer your very one dimensional view here, it would depend a whole goddamn lot on very many things. Do I know her? Do I actually like her instead of just thinking she looks good? Does she just want sex or is this a relationship (probably not, considering the situation)? And a million other things.

If it's just exactly that situation, some hot, unknown woman walking up to me and wanting the horizontal mambo, then I would, absolutely, no matter the state of my penis, say no. I've done that in the past, to people I know and like. Because, amazingly enough, I don't live by my genitals. Sex is nice, but I, personally, am not going to desire sex for the sake of sex. That, for me, is reserved for a relationship, with a person I love, instead of for a quick pleasure fix.

I'm not in any way claiming that having sex for meaningless fun with someone is wrong, per se, I'm just saying I don't care for that. And I find the argument of "You'd do it if he/she was hot enough" very goddamn insulting. As if that was the only standard. A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since.

Amazingly enough, men (or, going by you, some men) think with their brains instead of desiring a quick in-out every waking hour of their lives.

ok so you are one of the people that don't fit into the nearly all catagory then but juging by this "A certain someone I once turned down (She looked great, I did like her very much, I just didn't like her in the right way) dared to pull that on me. I haven't talked to her since" im not the only one who knows this you sir are a minority you are also a better person than most people for it but most people are not like you most men just want sex!!

And I, and he, are agreeing mostly, most men do in fact once sex (as do most women, but that's another kettle of debate). We are saying that most men have the self-restraint available to say no to random hot chicks.

Also, I notice the classic argument there of,

"All men want X,"

"I'm a man, I don't want X."

"Ah, you're different you see, you don't count."

A variation of the No True Scotsman argument.

no i have said all along MOST MEN OR NEARLY ALL so ther is bound to be somone who wont but he will be one in ten thousend its that simple

Okay, lets assume that most MPs in the British parliament are male. Let's also assume that there are less than 1000 men in the British parliament. Therefore, statistically speaking, most people in parliament would not refuse random sex. The question I ask now is, why is prostitution illegal? They want, most men in Britain want it (according to you), why not pass it?

simpe they like staying in power more and the scandle in the papers (which would be for the money) and with family groups and womans groups make it impossible and they can afford to do it in secret anyway

But if it was socially acceptable to do it (which it would be if 999/1000 men did it) there wouldn't be a scandal.

one thing meansmore to everyone than sex MONEY news papers spred anger to religious groups and angry parents (mostly female) and thats not forgetting half of voters are female, so as long as those people get to vote the world will be a worse place

 

[orangeban]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

Oh, so now this 14 year old wants her as much as she wants him? I don't remember that being one of the rules of this situation, that changes things. What I'm saying is that a 14 (plus straight, ect.) year old offered sex by a 20 year old girl (attractive, straight, ect.) may not want her as much as she wants him.

what??? she is older than him better looking and can legaly have sex why does she want him more...........OR AT ALL SHE IS HOT is he like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)as a fourteen yeay old the only way sh wants him more is if A: she has mental problems or B: he is like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)

But, you just said that she wanted him as much as he wanted her in your above post.

as much not more and even as much is pushing it as a fourteen year old would really want her

What? Oh please no, we just spent the last few pages covering how a fourteen year old may not really want this.

P.S. this is getting surreal, I'm having several different arguments with you, with you at apparently different levels of understanding. Here we have apparently regressed to the beginning, but in a parallel debate, I think we're close to a break through. What the heck is going on?

 

[orangeban]

Snip, this argument is getting lengthy.

sadly most people bow to social pressure (highschool) so leap at any chance to advance themselves and that is without even considering lust into it so socity puts men into the position that if a woman openly asked for sex ( a social no no for females) he would for so many resons say yes most of the time while there are some people who ignore such things and would act acording to their own jugments without social presure

Yes, but in a theoretical world where there were no social pressures (science conditions effectively), would most men say yes to a random attractive woman asking for sex? Purely from a biological standpoint we're are talking here.

 

[twiceworn]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

Oh, so now this 14 year old wants her as much as she wants him? I don't remember that being one of the rules of this situation, that changes things. What I'm saying is that a 14 (plus straight, ect.) year old offered sex by a 20 year old girl (attractive, straight, ect.) may not want her as much as she wants him.

what??? she is older than him better looking and can legaly have sex why does she want him more...........OR AT ALL SHE IS HOT is he like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)as a fourteen yeay old the only way sh wants him more is if A: she has mental problems or B: he is like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)

But, you just said that she wanted him as much as he wanted her in your above post.

as much not more and even as much is pushing it as a fourteen year old would really want her

What? Oh please no, we just spent the last few pages covering how a fourteen year old may not really want this.

P.S. this is getting surreal, I'm having several different arguments with you, with you at apparently different levels of understanding. Here we have apparently regressed to the beginning, but in a parallel debate, I think we're close to a break through. What the heck is going on?

oh its you, im in so many debates its hard to keep up, its simple social presure in middle school and up coming highschool along with all the other reasons i have listed make this the opportunity of a lifetime. all that sex drive is all most people will need, the ones who make clear decisions ignoring pressure are few and far between

 

[Jimbo1212]

So every 14 yr old boys dream came true for one lucky kid?
...and this is a problem because????

 

[Panda Mania]

What would the legal procedure be if the genders were switched?

That's how it should be done here. End of story.

 

[Tdc2182]

To everyone who defends her:

Imagine if she was a man and the boy was a girl

A 20 year old man getting a 14 year old girl drunk to have sex with her is horrible.

Send her to jail!

But guess what? She's not a man, and he's not a 14 year old girl.

Like it or not, genders actually do have pretty big differences. A 14 year old girl confronted with the idea of sex? Usually not gonna go for it.

A 14 year old boy? He's gonna jump on that in a second. Maybe two, considering how comfortable he is.

What. The. Hell. Is. Wrong. With. You. Do you honestly believe that? I know tons of girls who would throw themselves on a good looking male in 0.5 seconds flat. And they aren't even sluts! A double standard has to be in place.

And.... they aren't sluts?

 

[orangeban]

Firstly, most rape isn't someone jumping out of the bushes with a knife and going, "HAVE SEX WITH ME ASSHOLE!". Most rape is by someone you know, in your home. And most rape is one partner saying no and the other going ahead anyway. So we're aren't talking a knife and a touch on the crotch, we're probably talking about a friend giving you a vigorous rubbing, maybe even oral.

True, there are many types of rape but we use other terms for those, like "non-consensual sex". Most of it is done in a relationship so it never gets reported. Rape is an explicit sexual assault. So you kind of need that knife. All I'm saying is that it's impossible for a pretty 20 year old girl to RAPE a 14 year old boy. He's curious, he wants it, he likes it, he's gonna brag about this his entire life period.

Your points make no sense, you say that a type of rape is "non-consensual sex" (what is rape other than that) but then go on to say that that isn't rape.

Here is the dictionary definition of rape: "The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse"

And force doesn't mean threatening with a knife. It just means making them do it when they don't want to.

Also, who gave you the power to know the minds of all 14 year old boys and what they would do in these situations.

Here's something, I'm 14 and can report, with confidence, that I could in fact be raped by a 20 year old girl. I would not enjoy it (other than the short-term involuntary enjoyment caused by having sex) and would be upset about it later.

And don't pull bullshit about me not knowing how I would feel, because firstly I'm gay, which I think is pretty good proof I wouldn't enjoy it, and secondly I know myself better than you.

ok i admit im no expert on gay fourrteen year old males but as a straight male with friends and a big family the same i can say that straight males always want sex with good looking woman somtimes from age 13 and it woud be impossible for a girl that hot to rape straight fourteen year old male as HE WOULD LOVE IT!!!

Okay, I'm going to tell you something now, and pay attention because it is quite important.

You're experiences and thoughts do not reflect the thoughts of every single person on the planet. Neither does it reflect the thoughts of every single male. Or every straight male. Or every straight male of whatever ethnic descent you are from (unless you're from a tribe of like 5, in which case it very well may, but purely by chance/knowing your neighbours well).

There may in fact be straight male 14 year olds who would not want to have sex with every attractive 20 year old girl all the time.

no not all the time but if a fourteen year old got the chance to have sex with a really hot girl who wants him as much as he wants her he jumps at it becuse as a fourteen year old its not an every day thing its not even an every six months thing its an it will never happen to you again thing so he jumps at it and the same goes for a woman fully sober going up to you in the middle of a bar and offering sex

Oh, so now this 14 year old wants her as much as she wants him? I don't remember that being one of the rules of this situation, that changes things. What I'm saying is that a 14 (plus straight, ect.) year old offered sex by a 20 year old girl (attractive, straight, ect.) may not want her as much as she wants him.

what??? she is older than him better looking and can legaly have sex why does she want him more...........OR AT ALL SHE IS HOT is he like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)as a fourteen yeay old the only way sh wants him more is if A: she has mental problems or B: he is like justin bieber(may he burn in hell!!)

But, you just said that she wanted him as much as he wanted her in your above post.

as much not more and even as much is pushing it as a fourteen year old would really want her

What? Oh please no, we just spent the last few pages covering how a fourteen year old may not really want this.

P.S. this is getting surreal, I'm having several different arguments with you, with you at apparently different levels of understanding. Here we have apparently regressed to the beginning, but in a parallel debate, I think we're close to a break through. What the heck is going on?

oh its you, im in so many debates its hard to keep up, its simple social presure in middle school and up coming highschool along with all the other reasons i have listed make this the opportunity of a lifetime. all that sex drive is all most people will need, the ones who make clear decisions ignoring pressure are few and far between

Oh good, the streams of debate are merging, the end is in sight. Sorry, but I wasn't to sure what you meant there, can you please explain it again? (preferably as a simple answer to the question I posed in the other reply chain)

 

[mp123]

Couldn't agree more, if the roles were reversed there would be no question about jail time. It's a no brainer to me, she broke the law she should go to jail.

 

[twiceworn]

Snip, this argument is getting lengthy.

sadly most people bow to social pressure (highschool) so leap at any chance to advance themselves and that is without even considering lust into it so socity puts men into the position that if a woman openly asked for sex ( a social no no for females) he would for so many resons say yes most of the time while there are some people who ignore such things and would act acording to their own jugments without social presure

Yes, but in a theoretical world where there were no social pressures (science conditions effectively), would most men say yes to a random attractive woman asking for sex? Purely from a biological standpoint we're are talking here.

it such a world it would be personal to that person, if he felt like having sex, if the thought he may catch somthing if he fears babys if he thinks about any of that at all if he trusts her. at this point it would simply be mating like animals but with the possibility of doing it for simple fun, in such a world it would be far less clear cut