Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[omfq]

What if it had been a priest? What if it had been a T-Rex...

 

[Blemontea]

This story lacks too much detail and their are other sides of the story in the OP, I wont make any definitve accusations.
BUT if this story is exactly the way it is told then jail the women and get the kid to psycological therapy.

If the two really were in a elop-ish relationship before hand then get both people to rehab and teach the freaking 14(paranoid parents?) year old to take care of himself.

If mystical space monkeys came down and gave the women the bottle of fiery unicorn blood and told her that the fade of third earth depended on her intercourse with another alien species. Then call the ghostbusters to ride on dinosaurs to the zed nebula and punch DR. robotnik with a piece of lettuce.

 

[Nudu]

They say he was mature for his age.

Then answer me this: If this were about a 20 year old male having a sexual relationship with a 14 year old girl, would she be seen more as a victim of abuse or "mature of her age?"

Check this: Men have penises and women have vaginas. Men and women are different, especially mentally. Clearly, that's not good for a young woman, but IMO and as a man, I think a young man can handle that.

Prove if and how it has affected the boy negatively and maybe I'll change my mind? If you can't, my mind won't change.

Keep in mind, safe sex isn't the issue here so STDs and babies are not relevant. Obvi, he should be wearing rubbers.

Didn't entiery grasp the logic of your penis and vagina argument.

Now, I doubt the guy is going to be traumatized, but that's not how the law works. If you want to change the law to say "The age of consent is 18 unless the older partner is found to be a hot chick and they say he was mature for his age." then I suppose you could run for office on that, but until then this counts as statutory rape.

 

[starwarsgeek]

If mystical space monkeys came down and gave the women the bottle of fiery unicorn blood and told her that the fade of third earth depended on her intercourse with another alien species. Then call the ghostbusters to ride on dinosaurs to the zed nebula and punch DR. robotnik with a piece of lettuce.

I don't know what I just read, but they should totally make a movie out of it!

OT: Okay, let's assume best-case scenario (well...best case scenario in which she did sleep with him, anyway. For all we know, he made it up):
The kid was consenting (as much as a 14-year-old can, anyway), no alcohol was involved, but the parents didn't approve. She still knew the consequences of her crime. No reason to take it easy on her just because she's kind of hot.
If she did this, she deserves jail time. End of story.

 

[Ismael Borunda]

I belive that old South Park episode about Ike's kindergarden teacher made this subject really clear.

 

[aidutcher]

The article only says she was charged with those things, not that she was convicted of them. How do we really know that the boy didn't get her drunk to sleep with her? Maybe he freaked out and told his parents she did it because he didn't want to get in trouble. Just trying to provide a different perspective on the story.

If she did the things she's being accused of doing, she broke several laws and should face the penalties for them. She should also be given some psychiatric evaluation, because her case technically falls under the criteria for pedophilia (http://www.helping-people.info/articles/dsm.htm). My personal feelings about the fairness of the laws or the nature of consent don't really matter. The laws are there, and her alleged actions broke them.

 

[Master_Fubar23]

I guess no one realizes that the age of consent was anywhere from 7 to 12 less then a hundred years ago. Granted anywhere from 7 to 12 is too young but 14 is about the time males hit puberity so the current age of consent really needs to taken down from where it is. Its a complete joke to prosecute anyone who has sex with older teens. As mentioned before it was only a hundred years ago that the age of consent was changed... so for the other 2000+ years before mankind has been made up of pedophiles? Also in most parts of Mexico the age of consent is currently 12 years old... so is Mexico full of pedophiles? Its also retarded to when people go "OMG THEY HAD SEX! PEDOBEAR ALERT!" and have people registered as a sex offender with jail time when its CONSENTUAL. I mean really what do people expect. Most advertisements use the motto "sex sales" so when children are consistanally shown that sex is good or fun or anything for that matter how can anyone think they won't do it when no one who will condemn then isn't around? *Flameshield ON* Now before anyone starts with anything a little background info on me is I started having sex on my 15th birthday so barely older then the lucky kid mentioned in the article. After about a year or so I got reckless and 9 months later had my first son at 17 (neeeeeeeeever believe a girl when she says shes on the pill >< ). Anyways I'm currently 22 with 2 amazing sons. All I'm saying is no one should be punished for doing something with someone they care about... or I guess even with someone they don't as long as its CONSENTUAL. I personally think 14 is fine for consent 99% of the time... but 40 year olds with 14 year olds is just creepy.

 

[RootbeerJello]

I'm a 15 year old guy, and I don't think I'd take up that offer (She's still twenty, and that's really weird to me), but if this kid has no regrets and had no regrets at any point, he needs a medal for nailing a 20 year old. That said, if the gender roles here were reversed, I'd be freaking... indifferent actually. I know girls my age who've gotten with 19 and 20 year old guys, and I thought it was weird as all hell, but I've never actually known someone in this situation with the gender roles stated here. I can't imagine I'd find it any stranger. So... yeah, maybe I'm desensitized, but as long as he wasn't hunted down cougar-style, I don't see any serious problem here. TO RESTATE: If this was a 14 year old girl getting with a 20 year old guy, I WOULD NOT FIND IT ANY MORE REPREHENSIBLE.

 

[PancakesSUCKTHEYDO]

Broke the law.

Pay the price, its as simple as that.

 

[chadachada123]

I kinda get what you're saying, but when minors are tried as adults, it's because they're judged to be morally aware of their actions and of the consequences. Youth isn't generally taken as an alleviating factor if the defendent knows exactly what s/he was doing. It's different in statutory rape cases. Whomever the victim, the offender is still accountable for they're actions. Besides, courts aren't in the habit of passing these sorts of judgements against victims, especially in sexual offense cases. I mean, a court excusing an offender because the victim was 'mature' is a little like excusing rapists because the victim was known to be promiscuous or something.

I concede to the first point, that it's different to judge the suspect as mature enough to be judged, than to judge the victim as mature enough to consent.

The second, however, I must politely disagree with. If the "victim" claims that he/she wasn't victimized, and no coercion/black-mailing can be seen, then I don't believe that it should be a chargeable offense. If the kid wants it and isn't provably emotionally harmed, it's hardly appropriate to call him a "victim." In this case, it would be the victim petitioning the judge to have the "victim" label removed from him/herself, not excusing the suspect unless the victim wants the suspect excused. Your example would have the judge not taking the "victim's" wishes into account.

If the victim didn't consider themselves a victim, then surely they wouldn't press charges in the first place. Yes, i'm aware that in this case it was the parents that charged, or at least I think it was. I forget. Nevertheless, as I pointed out before, minors are *generally* seen as unable to consent to adults, so the childs guardians are within their rights, or even obliged, to press charges. It would have to be a very special case indeed for a court to ignore parental right in favour of the kid. As the law is now though, I guess the kid could try and get emancipated from their parents. If you're unaware, an emancipated minor is an underage individual whose been freed from parental control. Not sure if age of consent laws would apply or not to an emancipated minor, but they're given full independence in most other matters. As complicated as this would make the whole situation, it's surely better than introducing some other legal exception, despite the fact that the minor in almost every case is going to be judged a victim.

On a side note, i've been reading up on the law regarding these sorts of cases. In America, where this case took place, there's what's called 'romeo and juliet' laws in some states, put in place to soften sentencing in cases where the couple are only a few years apart, despite being on either side of the age of consent. The example from texan law specifies i believe, that the minor be 14 or over, which in this case he is, and that the age difference be no more than 3 years, which it certainly is not. There's also the issue of the offender in this case being in a position of trust. I believe the law in America, as does the law in the UK, specifies that a person over the age of 18 violates their position of trust by having sex with an employee/student/charge etc, under the age of 18.

It's occured to me that we may be from different countries with radically different social norms with this sort of thing. I'm British, and the law here states 16 or over. Yourself? I ask because this debate will go a lot easier if we're aware of the social contexts we're both arguing out of.

In my state, the age is 16 then everyone is fair game, and recently a law was passed making it so offenders within 3 or 4 years of each other, while still being able to be sentenced, would not be put onto a sex-offender's list for consensual sex. Which is odd, because the law is specifically saying "this sex was consensual but still illegal." Still, it's a step in the right direction.

Regarding the first point, there are cases where the parents did NOT have a problem with the sex, but someone else (teacher, cop, other) DID rat out the older partner who was then charged, despite the parents and younger partner being tolerant of the sex.

I'm also not sure that it's fair to say that parents have a say regarding sex at 15 but not at 16, and also that parents DON'T have a say regarding sex at 15 with ANOTHER 15-year old. I feel that, while Romeo-Juliet laws help the situation, that there is a disproportionate response for various sexual activities, based on sometimes as little as a DAY'S age difference. It gives parents power in some cases but not in other very similar cases with very similar mental/emotional effects. One could even argue that sex with a 19 year old, at 14, is better than sex with another 14 year old, for various reasons that we need not go into in this thread (I'm only positing that there could very well be benefits in this scenario). Not to mention, there are states where one or both of the partners can be charged when both of them are below the age of consent for that state, and even worse, charged as adults for these "crimes."

In my opinion, the above is definite reason to allow for exceptions that a victim could petition a judge for, not too different from, say, Germany's age of consent laws.

 

[chadachada123]

The article only says she was charged with those things, not that she was convicted of them. How do we really know that the boy didn't get her drunk to sleep with her? Maybe he freaked out and told his parents she did it because he didn't want to get in trouble. Just trying to provide a different perspective on the story.

If she did the things she's being accused of doing, she broke several laws and should face the penalties for them. She should also be given some psychiatric evaluation, because her case technically falls under the criteria for pedophilia (http://www.helping-people.info/articles/dsm.htm). My personal feelings about the fairness of the laws or the nature of consent don't really matter. The laws are there, and her alleged actions broke them.

No it doesn't. Pedophilia ONLY concerns PRE-PUBESCENT children. Pre-pubescent is generally 11 or younger. 13 at the ABSOLUTE latest. If the kid can shoot semen out of him, the girl is not pedophilic in this case.

Way to keep a common myth alive though. There's nothing unnatural about sexual attraction to someone in the middle of puberty. Human instinct supports looking for those that are right at sexual maturity, and the attraction doesn't instantly appear at a certain point (and certainly would be a different age for everyone, anyway).

This statement shouldn't be taken as *support* for relations with people of this age, only that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unnatural or disorderly about attraction to people around 14 and up (14 being natural if the 14-year old is already well-developed). The actions are something different (after all, it is natural human instinct to harm people that piss you off, but the emotions attached and the actions committed are what separates a normal person from a sociopath), but there is still nothing pedophilic (or unnatural) about this case.

Please, don't spread misinformation.

 

[AnonymouZero]

dude... no. we all were pretty damn horny back then. Fuck, just think of how much porn you may have watched when you started middle school. Now imagine if you actually got a chance to do it with a goddamn MODEL? Who gives a shit about the age.

The kid is a kid, BUT, if he thought it'd be "cool" to do his sitter, man, more power TO him. Regardless of his sitter's age or whatever.

On the other hand... if it was a guy sitter and a girl being sat... that changes things. Because we are pretty much predators when it comes to that shit.

anywho, i guess women are not being drilled the whole "JAILBAIT BAD JAILBAIT BAD!" bit that we are fed (and sure as fuck understand!)

 

[The Youth Counselor]

Why does a 14 year old need to be babysat?

And this was my fantasy when I was 14.

 

[Evil Earlgrey]

Srsly? What happend is:
a) awesome for the boy. Probably the best thing that has happened in his life
b) awesome for the girl. Sex feels great, is great and definately made her happy
c) apparently offensive for people who have such strong issues with their sexuality that they feel the need to punish two young people for having a good time. Probably some twisted christian "values" that come into play here..

GIVE THE KID A MEDAL. GIVE THE GIRL A MEDAL.

and if you disagree give yourself some therapy..

 

[SD-Fiend]

What if it had been a priest? What if it had been a T-Rex...

if it was a priest Catholicism would take another blow. if it was a t rex that kid would have been ripped apart by now and then disregarded because a FREAKING T-REX would be alot more interesting for the news reports

 

[minimacker]

Score! The kid is going to grow up as the pimp of the universe.

On a serious note, if they had a relationship going on for MONTHS, then what the hell is she going to jail for?

If the parents knew they had a relationship (How the hell do they keep it hidden for several months?), why on earth would they hire her as a babysitter?

That's like hiring a girlfriend to... babysit... me...

Er...
That came out wrong.

 

[Griffolion]

I just think she needs to be counselled and helped out of this condition that makes her want to do such things. It's not right her doing that to a 14 year old boy, because that will shape his view of women for the rest of his life.