Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[Treblaine]

What I was trying to say is, in the eyes of the law, she may as well be a 90 year old priest, and in my mind that is how it should be.

Well that's the central crazy thing here, because those are two totally different things.

It is crazy to say they should be treated the same.

 

[StBishop]

What I was trying to say is, in the eyes of the law, she may as well be a 90 year old priest, and in my mind that is how it should be.

Well that's the central crazy thing here, because those are two totally different things.

It is crazy to say they should be treated the same.

No. No it's not. There's a line that you don't cross with sex and that line is children.

I disagree with you, that doesn't make me crazy or wrong.

 

[Treblaine]

What I was trying to say is, in the eyes of the law, she may as well be a 90 year old priest, and in my mind that is how it should be.

Well that's the central crazy thing here, because those are two totally different things.

It is crazy to say they should be treated the same.

No. No it's not. There's a line that you don't cross with sex and that line is children.

I disagree with you, that doesn't make me crazy or wrong.

I understand that there should be a law.

I don't understand how both should have the same punishment.

 

[StBishop]

What I was trying to say is, in the eyes of the law, she may as well be a 90 year old priest, and in my mind that is how it should be.

Well that's the central crazy thing here, because those are two totally different things.

It is crazy to say they should be treated the same.

No. No it's not. There's a line that you don't cross with sex and that line is children.

I disagree with you, that doesn't make me crazy or wrong.

I understand that there should be a law.

I don't understand how both should have the same punishment.

It really is based on this logic:
In my mind a 14 year old is a child.
A child should not sleep with an adult.
An adult is someone who is 18 or over.

Therefore anyone who is 18 years old or older should not be sleeping with a 14 year old.

The thing is you have to draw the line somewhere and when you start making exceptions it's a slippery slope. It's hard enough for child molestation victims as it is, we don't need to make it harder by making the laws fuzzy.

As far as I'm concerned the way it is here works.

16 is the age of concent, 18 is the age of being tried as an adult. You've got a 2 year buffer there to allow for "but we were having sex when I we were both under 16, now that it's my 16th birthday I go to jail??" but it still protects children.

EDIT:

Ok let's say I kill a child. Now lets say I kill a 25 year old guy who'd done nothing really positive and who's committed a few minor crimes.

One is worse than the other I suppose, but they really should have the same punishment, because the crime is the same.

If I kill someone, and Mother Teresa kills someone in the exact same scenario, we should get the same punishment.

 

[CleverCover]

I'm going to go with the idea of she did that to my younger brother/cousin.

***** goes to jail and I hope she has the cell with Big Helga.
I don't care she was pretty. There are millions of people her own age willing to do her.

 

[Treblaine]

What I was trying to say is, in the eyes of the law, she may as well be a 90 year old priest, and in my mind that is how it should be.

Well that's the central crazy thing here, because those are two totally different things.

It is crazy to say they should be treated the same.

No. No it's not. There's a line that you don't cross with sex and that line is children.

I disagree with you, that doesn't make me crazy or wrong.

I understand that there should be a law.

I don't understand how both should have the same punishment.

It really is based on this logic:
In my mind a 14 year old is a child.
A child should not sleep with an adult.
An adult is someone who is 18 or over.

Therefore anyone who is 18 years old or older should not be sleeping with a 14 year old.

The thing is you have to draw the line somewhere and when you start making exceptions it's a slippery slope. It's hard enough for child molestation victims as it is, we don't need to make it harder by making the laws fuzzy.

As far as I'm concerned the way it is here works.

16 is the age of concent, 18 is the age of being tried as an adult. You've got a 2 year buffer there to allow for "but we were having sex when I we were both under 16, now that it's my 16th birthday I go to jail??" but it still protects children.

EDIT:

Ok let's say I kill a child. Now lets say I kill a 25 year old guy who'd done nothing really positive and who's committed a few minor crimes.

One is worse than the other I suppose, but they really should have the same punishment, because the crime is the same.

If I kill someone, and Mother Teresa kills someone in the exact same scenario, we should get the same punishment.

Wow, a double whammy. The "slippery slope" fallacy AND the "think of the children" fallacy.

When it comes to sex, people just can't seem to think straight. I think everyone here is all getting way too emotional, not logical at all. It's clouded yur judgement so much you've lost track of what we are talking about. I am talking about more than conviction - the subject of this entire thread is not if she broke the law as the law is clear.

The question is what should the punishment be, if anything.

The punishment should not be the same for all the possible things that can happen beyond "that line".

PS: I'm pretty damn sure any court would give a longer sentence for murdering a little girl than murdering a man.

PPS: people DO get reduced sentences for character and past deeds. A repeat offender lets longer sentence than one who has lived a life of charity and never committed a previous act of violence.

 

[Evidencebased]

To the people arguing that "oh, he already hit puberty & is capable of expressing sexual interest -- therefore it's totally okay!" :

I hit puberty at age 10, and was certainly sexually interested in older men at that age; frankly, 10-year-old boys don't have a lot to offer to a sexually mature bright young girl ...Most of them were still half-convinced I had cooties! I thought various adult movie stars and singers were dead sexy, and had a few crushes on teachers too; anyone under ~age 30 was fair game for my fantasies.

So would that have made it appropriate for one of those attractive adult men to have sex with me? I thought they were cute, I was physically capable of intercourse, I probably could have been convinced to say "yes"...

I imagine most people would consider it abusive for an adult to have sex with a 10-year-old girl, but how would that situation be substantially different than an adult having sex with a 14-year-old boy, if both kids are pubescent and interested in sex? Unless there is a clear distinction to be made between the two scenarios, I remain unconvinced that "puberty = acceptable target for sex!" is a valid argument in the babysitter's defense.

 

[aidutcher]

The article only says she was charged with those things, not that she was convicted of them. How do we really know that the boy didn't get her drunk to sleep with her? Maybe he freaked out and told his parents she did it because he didn't want to get in trouble. Just trying to provide a different perspective on the story.

If she did the things she's being accused of doing, she broke several laws and should face the penalties for them. She should also be given some psychiatric evaluation, because her case technically falls under the criteria for pedophilia (http://www.helping-people.info/articles/dsm.htm). My personal feelings about the fairness of the laws or the nature of consent don't really matter. The laws are there, and her alleged actions broke them.

No it doesn't. Pedophilia ONLY concerns PRE-PUBESCENT children. Pre-pubescent is generally 11 or younger. 13 at the ABSOLUTE latest. If the kid can shoot semen out of him, the girl is not pedophilic in this case.

Way to keep a common myth alive though. There's nothing unnatural about sexual attraction to someone in the middle of puberty. Human instinct supports looking for those that are right at sexual maturity, and the attraction doesn't instantly appear at a certain point (and certainly would be a different age for everyone, anyway).

This statement shouldn't be taken as *support* for relations with people of this age, only that there is ABSOLUTELY NOTHING unnatural or disorderly about attraction to people around 14 and up (14 being natural if the 14-year old is already well-developed). The actions are something different (after all, it is natural human instinct to harm people that piss you off, but the emotions attached and the actions committed are what separates a normal person from a sociopath), but there is still nothing pedophilic (or unnatural) about this case.

Please, don't spread misinformation.

Looks like I misinterpreted the DSM there. My mistake, thanks for catching it. Regardless of that she'd still be breaking the law if she did what they say she did. I'd say some fines, jail time and/or community service would be in order, at the very least for providing a minor with alcohol. I don't know what the common punishments for statutory rape are. I'd have to hear the actual prosecution and defense to decide how severe the punishment should be.

 

[PowerC]

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

I can see this point.
I disagree with the rest of what you say. It's too general and stereotypical

Whether he was drunk or not, a teenager that young can't comprehend the mental and emotional complexities of sex.In addition, the law requires that all sexual relations between someone of age and a minor(even if it were consensual) is considered statutory rape. Finally, that kid is going to be sexually messed up for the rest of his life and nobody should be given an award for losing their virginity at age 14, that's kinda trashy.

Sometimes Stereotypes describe people and situations perfectly

 

[PowerC]

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!

Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me

 

[Treblaine]

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!

Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me

My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?

 

[Brutal Peanut]

It really doesn't matter if you don't like it, or you think she's too hot to go to prison(seriously??? What a dumb thing to say), or if you don't like the laws - there is a severe and obvious double-standard going on here. I wonder what everything would look like in a reverse situation. Most will say they'd have the same opinion, but that's easy to say. But, the law is the law is the law is the law - as we like to commonly repeat over and over again until we go cross-eyed. Until it changes, there will be punishment towards the young woman, whether it's jail time or community service - so..*raspberry*.

 

[Hipsy_Gypsy]

Go directly to jail[footnote]After the trial, of course[/footnote]. Do not pass Go. Do not collect $200. Bonus of sex offender registry from community chest.

This is what a fourteen year old boy looks like (Not the one from this case, from another):
http://wwwimage.cbsnews.com/images/2009/06/11/image5082228x.jpg

Do you honestly think 20 year olds of any sex should be fucking that?

Three questions:

Why did he need a babysitter? He's fourteen. I had major issues with being alone (read: paralyzed in a corner while crying) and even I got over them when I was ten.

Isn't it worth jail time to get an underaged person drunk, let alone sexually assaulting them?

Why the double standard? If this was a twenty-year-old guy and a drunk fourteen year old girl, this would be "Despicable Story of the Day". And yet there are people saying "Meh, she's hot".

Eh, I'm just going to say ditto. Really shouldn't be up to debate.
I know, as the OP said, six years isn't a big difference (hell, my parents are fifteen years apart) but it really depends on what age you are, i.e., it would be so much better if the guy in question was 19/20 and the girl was 26. If that were the case, they wouldn't be in this bother.
I also cannot stand double standards. Poor guys get into trouble for all sorts and girls just get away with it willy nilly because, what? They're girls.

Why in the world is a 20 year old woman chasing after a 14 year old for anyway? Jeez, that's like me wanting to court one of my sister's friends. |: Yeesh!

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!

Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me

My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?

Argh, I meant to mention something like that. It actually reminds me of a case I'd heard about a few years ago about a 13/14 year old raping an older girl but he didn't get charged as he was considered to be "incapable of rape" which I found terrible. My brother and his friend, when they were 13, could have knocked a guy my age now out.
If the woman did, I'll just say "prey", on the 14-year-old, I think she should face some sort of charge because, just as many people here have posted, he's probably flabbergasted that she wants to sleep with him. If she did indeed give him alcohol, that just makes it even worse.
If it was all the 14-year-old's idea, the woman should have known better. If she was the one intoxicated by the 14-year-old, then that opens up a few more doors. If it was rape committed by the 14-year-old on the woman, he should be charged because she was violated in such a way.

The problem is, this is a really, really grey area.. also we don't know the full story or even how true it is from the article, like a lot of people are suggesting. That being said, it's really going to depend on the story and how it's perceived.
I agree with a lot of people here in questioning why the 14-year-old needed to be babysat in the first place. S:


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[superbatranger]

My parents would give me a high five if I ever did something like that...<.<

My stepdad would laugh and give me a shot of whiskey to celebrate.

Something tells me during the eventual rehab the kid will go through, he'll have that, "Awwwww yeaaaaah I banged my babysitter" look.

 

[s0denone]

I'm disgusted.

"I DON'T CARE CAUSE SHE IS ATTRACTIVE AND I WOULDN'T MIND POUNDING DAT PHAT BOOTY HEHE"

What would you say if it was a 20-year-old male, sexually assaulting/statutory raping a 14-year-old girl?

This place is just filled with 14/15/16/17-year old virgins, resigned to never having sex in their life, and thus not minding (to them) sexually attractice women having sex with underage boys. ("Oh gee, if only that had happened to me :-(")

Get this, she is a paedophile, isn't she?
At least as much of a disgusting load of shite as the 20-year-old man taking advantage of the 14-year-old girl, you know, that same man you all condemn to hell. Fucking ludicrous. "Give that kid a medal"... I think I'm going to be sick.

Oh, appears something has already been said in this thread, effectively providing dimwits alround already, with enlightenment:

Providing Alcohol to a minor.
Drugging a minor.
Forced sexual congress with a drugged minor.
Dereliction of duty.

Twenty years.

Anything else is admitting that we have one rule for one and one for another.

Quoted for truth.

 

[Saviordd1]

If its fully consensual then I don't see a problem,....

Really? You and all the other high-five retards do know that sex can lead to pregnancy??

Do you think a 14 year old is mentally able to complete comprehend what it means to be a parent??

Do you think a 14 year old would have thought about contraception at all??

Would being a dad at 14 screw his life enough for you to think that maybe that is why it is a crime???

Let me answer these in order.

Really? You and all the other high-five retards do know that sex can lead to pregnancy??
A: NO! I had no idea, thank you for answering my question "What does sex do anyway"

Do you think a 14 year old is mentally able to complete comprehend what it means to be a parent??
A: Not fully no but they are capable of knowing its a bad thing and they get they aren't ready (Most of them do anyway)

Do you think a 14 year old would have thought about contraception at all??
A: Yes they would, I remember being in middle school (3 years ago) and my friend sold condoms for 5 bucks a box. He was rich as hell from it, kids that age DO know about contraception and DO use it.

Would being a dad at 14 screw his life enough for you to think that maybe that is why it is a crime???
A: Yes it would screw up his life. But also the answer for helping him is to arrest the person he/she was romantically interested in. What kind of scar would THAT leave? One that makes him fear sex? Hate the law for what it did to someone he cared about.

All you over tight people think the best way to stop someone from permanent emotional scaring is to SCAR THEM SOME MORE. I love the logic, I really do.

 

[PowerC]

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!

Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me

My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?

Yes! just because there are some sick-ass young Guys out there that would rape an older girl, that doesn't mean that they should be able to consent, If anything it means there more sexually inexpeirienced

 

[Treblaine]

That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!

That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!

Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me

My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?

Yes! just because there are some sick-ass young Guys out there that would rape an older girl, that doesn't mean that they should be able to consent, If anything it means there more sexually inexperienced

Do you not see the contradiction here? There is a double-standard of responsibility.

If they are too young to know if THEY want to have sex how can they be old enough to know if someone ELSE really wants or doesn't want sex?!?!

If they are so sexually inexperienced then they should not be held responsible for their sex crimes.