Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

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hipster666

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For me the difficulty lies in gender reversal and in the assumption of sexual conduct. She's not unattractive, so the assumption is that she must somehow be a sexy vixen or at least pleasureable in bed. This was her SECOND offence which suggests she is both driven and didn't care about the consequences of her actions, which don't lend, to my mind, to the gentle and loving nature of a caring relationship. No-one here knows the facts, whether she was abusive or genuinely caring, but the split consensus on whether the kid should get a medal gets me angry. Would you give a 14 year old girl a medal for having sex with a hot 19 year old guy?

Sexual abuse is something EITHER sex are capable of, and to imagine that women are not capable is extremely naive. The difficulty for the law is proof and, with men, there is (usually) ejaculate or similar to provide ample evidence of sexual misconduct. With women there really isn't and sexual gratification from female predators doesn't necessarily involve penetration, meaning no fluids are produced by the woman. There have been cases of women who have been prosecuted for sexual misconduct to their babies, but proof is so hard to find many social workers won't even try to bring it to court, knowing it's a lost cause.

One of the worst examples of this was when I was working for a children's charity dealing with kids who are going through a really tough time for whatever reason and having to attend awareness training, despite just working on their computers and not having much to do with the kids themselves. During this training, of which I was one of only two people out of the twenty there who wasn't a trained social worker, we were given an example of working in a project with a backyard where the kids play. You see someone looking over the fence and watching the kids play for a few minutes and then they move on. What do you do?

There ensued a 15 minute debate during which police and do nothing were the two extremes but general consensus (and a reasonable one I admit) was to note it in the project diary with a full description of the person so they could be identified should anything untoward come of it.

The next question was, the same person comes back a week later and does the same thing (watching the kids) but this time for a fair bit longer, maybe quarter of an hour. What do you do?

At this stage most of the social workers were concerned and wanting to call the police, citing danger to the kids and intent to rape. He could be a rapist or sex offender and the police could accurately identify him, either way a short visit from the police would warn him off and make sure that he knew he was being watched, further reducing the risk to the kids.

I asked the question, who said the person was a man? I got immediately shouted down and laughed at until the trainers quietened everyone down and confirmed that the sex of the person was NEVER mentioned and that everyone in the room except me had made the assumption that the person was male.

Having experienced some sexual misconduct by both men and women in my life, I am of the opinion there really is no difference in the sexes in this regard, but socially we assume that women don't and men do have these sexually inappropriate urges. I once asked my male friends about their own experiences after divulging some of my own and it turned out all but one had experienced something disturbing or at least unpleasant at the hands of a female partner. I was actually quite hurt the last time a female boss made an aggressive sexual pass at me and I went to my dad for advice and his advice was "what are you complaining about?"...

On a personal level the age of consent is a myth, albeit one regulated by law in our current society. The age of consent has bounced up and down throughout the ages according to the social and moral prevailing thoughts. Each case should be taken individually with no overriding ruling that makes it an automatic offence. After all, any damage done is because of malicious intent and it doesn't matter what age either party is.

Lastly, did anyone else follow the OP's link?! There were THREE other cases listed on the same page. I know we get these things occasionally in the UK but the US seems to be experiencing a surge in these cases. Not sure whether people are more willing to admit guys can be targetted as much as girls, or if there is a genuine upsurge, but we need to get a handle on this quickly. Sexual assault CANNOT be seen as a soft crime, regardless of the sex of the offender.
 

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In my opinion, if it wasn't rape and the kid wasn't the to press charges, she shouldn't go to jail. The kid probably welcomed some action! On the other hand, from her perspective, wanting some action from a 14-year-old is rather odd if you're a hot 20-year-old. She probably needs rehab. And yeah...the kid is a hero. Unless he was raped and above that, was the one to report it. Then HE needs some rehab too.
 

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sumanoskae said:
I myself am not sure about this case, I'd have to talk to the kid myself. Unfortunately, his opinion may very well not be taken into account. I don't necessarily disagree with you, I just think we should expect more then "Grats" from eachother
Well put. It alarms me how many guys are willing to high five some kid for having sex at a young age. Nearly everyone I know who had sex at 14 or younger has, in later life, wished they didn't. To think that a boy can't be harmed by someone during sex just because their partner is female is ludicrous. We should be more willing to accept that boys can be victims in this regard too.
 

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Treblaine said:
Without going into more detail than I really want to, it's the mechanics of it.

The role a man has in sex is very different from a woman.

It's not like the 14 year old male could be physically hurt by disparity in size of being with a woman, but a teenage girl...
Mostly true, but it doesn't justify gender discrimation. You can't say "All boys X" or "All girls Y".

Treblaine said:
"So unless you want to judge each on a case by case scenario"

Funny, I thought that was what the trial is for.
I have no idea how it works exactly actually, if you're having sex with a minor, is there any case by case scenario where that's allowed?
(What I'm trying to say is, aren't trials about whether someone is guilty or not, rather than about what constitutes a crime exactly.
 

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aei_haruko said:
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, however...
The kid enjoyed it, it was consentual( the edit anyway...)
if the kid liked it, and he consented to it not uder influence, why not?
Because it is statutory rape and statutory rape is illegal.
 

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So, now it's coming out that the relationship had lasted for months, which makes me think that the alcohol excuse was bullshit the kid dreamed up to avoid getting grounded.

And if that's the case, then a six-year age difference ain't worth getting worked up over.
 

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Treblaine said:
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That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!
That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!
Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me
My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?
Yes! just because there are some sick-ass young Guys out there that would rape an older girl, that doesn't mean that they should be able to consent, If anything it means there more sexually inexperienced
Do you not see the contradiction here? There is a double-standard of responsibility.

If they are too young to know if THEY want to have sex how can they be old enough to know if someone ELSE really wants or doesn't want sex?!?!

If they are so sexually inexperienced then they should not be held responsible for their sex crimes.
Rape isn't a case of whether or not someone's advances are considered as sexual, whether they want it or not. If , even a kid, were to rape someone it's a sick way to get off on somebody's weakness and helplessness, not misconstruing someones advances as sexual.
 

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1. how is this thread still going on... I cant be arsed to read the whole thing and there just CANT be that much worth talking about in this story...

2. Someone cited this poll in the vein of saying 70% of people think there should not be severe punishment involved in this clear sex crime. I hate to be the one to point it out but the escapist forums are one of the worst, if not the worst, place to get a non-skewed result when it comes to sex, sex with minors, statutory rape, child porn or lolicon. Second maybe only to 4chan...
 

Treblaine

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PowerC said:
Treblaine said:
PowerC said:
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That woman should be put in a cell just like any other perv preying on kids. That woman was obviously manipulating that kid for sex because, lets be honest, what kind of 20 year old attractive woman wants to be in a relationship with some para-pubescent 14 year old kid that she was BABYSITTING!
That makes ZERO sense.

you say:
-a 20 year old would have NO INTEREST in a 14 year old boy
-Therefore it is the 20 year old who is manipulating the relationship
-... to be with someone, that she doesn't want to be with

I remember being 14, I was a little hound dog, it took all my restraint not to lust for every hot woman I saw. If I had the guts I'd have flirted with every hot woman I came in contact with. I didn't want a relationship I wanted to hump!
Thats exactly my point she doesn't want a relationship, she want to get her rocks off on a confused, horny kid. Im a teenager and yes I have the urge to Get with most attractive women i see, But i know well enough not too let some chick take advantage of me
My case is THE 14 YEAR OLD just wants to get his rocks off and all the girl had to do was not repel his advances.

What if this was the other way around.

What if this 20 year old went to the police saying this guy raped me and it turned out that guy was only 14 years old?

PS: in Connecticut (and most US States), children charged with rape are tried in the same courts as adults with the same sentence.

http://www.wilx.com/news/headlines/117681148.html
http://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2011/06/fourteenyearold_charged_as_adu.html

So 14 is simultaneously too-young to consent to sex without being raped, yet old-enough to be help responsible for raping another?!?!?

This is highly relevant as it begs the question of who is really in the vulnerable position here? Who is really so vulnerable to be taken advantage of?
Yes! just because there are some sick-ass young Guys out there that would rape an older girl, that doesn't mean that they should be able to consent, If anything it means there more sexually inexperienced
Do you not see the contradiction here? There is a double-standard of responsibility.

If they are too young to know if THEY want to have sex how can they be old enough to know if someone ELSE really wants or doesn't want sex?!?!

If they are so sexually inexperienced then they should not be held responsible for their sex crimes.
Rape isn't a case of whether or not someone's advances are considered as sexual, whether they want it or not. If , even a kid, were to rape someone it's a sick way to get off on somebody's weakness and helplessness, not misconstruing someones advances as sexual.
That's my point, 14 year old can't claim ignorance on consent... I think that's your point. Your grammar is terrible.

"Rape isn't a case of whether or not someone's advances are considered as sexual, whether they want it or not"

Are you saying Rape is NOT a case of whether they want it or not?
 

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Sarge034 said:
aei_haruko said:
I agree wholeheartedly with this statement, however...
The kid enjoyed it, it was consentual( the edit anyway...)
if the kid liked it, and he consented to it not uder influence, why not?
Because it is statutory rape and statutory rape is illegal.
Okay then, using your logic anything illegal is wrong, in that case, then being gay is wrong, or at least it was wrong when openly serving in the millitary, even though said soldier would be giving his life for his country. Or if that one is not something you would usually come acrosss, what about wearing a t-shirt with a political message to school? Just because the law, or an authority says something is wrong, does not make it wrong. Only you can decide what is, and is not evil. I think that because this was consentual on both parties parts, and because the kid was reasonably competant, that there should be no criminal charges, because nobody was wronged.
 

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SirBryghtside said:
Glass Joe the Champ said:
The main reason I don't take this seriously though, and I really don't want to admit it; is that she's an attractive young female as opposed to the stereotypical sex offender. All hate for double standards aside, would you really send this woman to jail for getting a teen drunk and having sex with him?

Uhm... yes?

Looks can be deceiving. She committed a crime, she does the time. Reverse sexism is still sexism.
Exactly, I hate the world of double standard and If she was a man and the boy was a girl. Everyone would throw stones at the men. Go equal and throw stones at her (Figure of speech of course).
 

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... People actually want this woman to hang? I mean, are people really serious? The United States of America was founded by men that took wives as young as 12 years old, GEORGE FREAKING WASHINGTON being one of them. How long is this stupidity going to go on? Goodness. You know something's wrong when the world when sitting your child down in front of a movie like Friday the 13th or SAW raises no brows, but you'll get screamed at for corrupting a minor if you try to teach them about the birds and the bees.

Who knows, maybe these laws were created by people hoping humanity would eventually go extinct... or weren't getting any, so they figured everyone else shouldn't be able to either.
 

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The moms just being an overprotective *****. Her son's having sex and since he hasnt reached that magical age where he magically becomes intelligent and makes different decisions, its obviously the girls fault.

They were both consenting, if I was the kid, I'd tell my mom to fuck off, and if she continued to sue, I'd ask that it wait till I was 18 to go to court then stop it. Not sure if that would work though.
 

Ickorus

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Sound like the legal system is working properly right now, let's move on.

Also note that if genders of the offender and victim weren't mentioned there would be a massive uproar.
 

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Even if there was consent, it still seems wrong to me.
And are you really putting her looks into judgement? Wow, you said you weren't in favor with double standards, but it looks like you're siding with it anyway.
 

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The 20 year old is supposedly old enough to watch over someone else's kids, she should be old enough to know better.

And the 14 year-old (if this was voluntary, which of course it was, who are we kidding) should she punishment as well, for trapping some dumb ***** into this.

14 and he still needs a baby-sitter? he's obviously dumb enough to make this choice. I mean, damn...

And shame on the people who recommended a medal and were serious about it. Although, yeah lulz.
 

Biodeamon

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damn, lucky S.O.B

all kidding aside she should have known better...if the kid was 16 then it'd be excusable.
but she isn't that old so she be punished somehow but not really too bad...maybe a few days in jail and a fine?

i hate to kind of spoil the moment a bit though, but it's not every day you see a woman rape somebody
 

Crimsom Storm

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Blitzwing said:
Martha Washington was 27 when she married George.
I do remember reading or watching a report about the founding fathers that stated several of them had wives as young as 12 and 14. In fact, most of the ages of consent were created in a flurry of emotion after 1 or 2 of the women were hurt and/or raped by their spouses (see 1891 Age of Consent Act). In fact, for all intents and purposes, history likely left out some of these younger brides in their past (such as the children several noteworthy men had with their slaves).

I'm doing my best to find the actual report, though I really do not question it's legitimacy. Simply because history has a habit of leaving out the bad parts of heroes, or parts that are, at the time, considered bad. Kind of like how people think Abraham Lincoln was gay, among other things.

What I'm trying to say is, these laws were created to protect barely even a handful, based on kneejerk reactions. Every single time a major law pops up, it was a kneejerk. Remember when gaming was evil and the creator of violence for normally innocent young boys (HAHA!). Yeah, it's that sort of thing. Personally, I could care less if it was a man and girl or a woman and boy, as the law has been corrupted. Or have you missed the news reports of teenagers getting tried as kiddy porn peddlers for "sexting"?

I firmly believe that it's a slippery slope. I'm not saying we should embrace the way Muslims do it, with 7 year old brides and whatnot being sold off as commodity. I'm simply saying that half of these laws only hurt decent people, rather than actually getting at the real creeps. There are several really decent men who had sex with their girlfriends at 15 or 16, when they were 19 or 20. One even married that woman. Who called them in? The fucking mother. What happened? They married, and have kids, but this stigma continues to follow them AND their family. Simply put, the system doesn't work quite the way it was meant to.
 

RussetRanger

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It's against the law, is there really anything legit about this act? Pedophilia, sexual assault, intoxication of a minor ...... that girl is trouble.