Poll: Female babysitter charged for having sex with 14-year old boy.

[trooper6]

one more thing, the definition of consent

"Permission for something to happen or agreement to do something
- no change may be made without the consent of all the partners"

i dont see age being a factor in that,

so technically, these laws exist to restrict or contradict the meaning of the god damn words that govern them

There are people who are not legally able to consent. People who are too drunk to realize what is going on. People who have mental disabilities. People are under the legal Age of Consent.

We have decided that people under the age of 16 (or whatever the age is in your locality) are not mature enough to give actual consent. So you find a 14 year old...or a 9 year old...and you manipulate them into saying yes...our legal system backed by child psychologists have determined that isn't true consent. So, statutory rape.

If you think just because you get someone to say yes to having sex with your, no matter how young, that makes it okay...then I worry about you.

 

[AnarchistFish]

This really depends, in my opinion, on the true version of events. If they were consenting, it should be legal. I personally believe that 14 years old is generally old enough to give valid consent.
If there was abuse and force involved though, she should be prosecuted.

 

[CommanderKirov]

NO LENIANCY! She should be imprisoned and added to sexual offenders list.


Now if everyone would be so kind to leave the room so I could give the kid a high-five?

Yeah, double standards.

 

[sumanoskae]

In a perfect world, I'd just say ask the kid wants he wants to do, but this is a shit world.

You have to remember, that in adult-minor relationships, there are often a lot of psychological issues going on behind the scenes, and things can be more complicated then they seem. What, with pressure to consent to adults, social pressure to be sexually active, there are a lot of things that can get mixed into these relationships.

Something should be done, though I'm not sure what.

 

[AnarchistFish]

It's definitely a very grey issue. You can't just look at the law to form an opinion. It's too close minded

 

[TnB]

Here's the thing. It simply cannot be rape because, as every man will attest to, if he didn't want to do it, he wouldn't have. Or to put a finer point on it, a biological reaction would not have occurred within the kid, a reaction that is necessary to having sex. Now, it's true that him being drunk would affect his judgement a bit, but let's frank here, he's 14, what 14-year-old would pass up a chance like that, they're all hornier than a stallion in a field of mares. So I simply don't think that girl should receive a jail punishment for that, it's a little odd that she'd want to do it with a 14-year-old but if the same thing happened in 4 years time (him being 18 and she being 24), there isn't a soul in the world who would have looked down on that.

On a different note, her charges are a little over the top, I mean; "Risk of injury to a minor"? That one honestly made me laugh. I'm willing to bet that that kid isn't 'mentally traumatised' from the sexual assault, but rather, bragging about doing it with his hot babysitter AND getting drunk. You're probably wondering where this relatively liberal stance is coming from and the explanation is very simple. I'm Dutch. So this kind of stuff is pretty run-of-the-mill to me, I consider it strange, but I don't think it should be punished. At least not if both parties are willing, and as I said, it's kind of difficult to do anything if the guy is unwilling, regardless of age.

 

[Alphakirby]

It's pretty obvious judging from the boy's age that he was probably the one who wanted it more. But try telling that to the court and you'll be dubbed a crazy man. Don't matter if the boy was drunk,he's still just getting into the swing of puberty so yeah...she should have to do community service or something,but the boy isn't exactly innocent either.

 

[MasTerHacK]

I don't think that this is should be a crime, if it's with consent. Two countries bordering mine have the legal age at 14 (here it's 16). It shouldn't be up to the parents to decide whether to press charges or not, but the kid, IMO.
Like one game reporter once said:

"Twenty years ago he would have gotten a pat on the back and a: 'Good job, son.' Nowadays people couldn't wait to send him to a shrink, concerned of his mental state."

For god's sake, he's 14, it's what he's always dreamed about, and with such a hot girl.
I'm not saying I'm for double standards, but that it should be the same if the situation was vice-versa.
Just my 2 cents.

 

[Alphakirby]

If it was an 20 y.o. guy, many would be screaming "paedo! twisted monster!", but being a woman, it's suddenly 'better'(ok). Fucking double standards.

To jail with her. She must face conviction and treatment like any man, whom is guilty of the same.

Here's the difference,there is a chance that the boy would've wanted this. Remember he's 14,not 7,this is around the time puberty comes into play. So while yes,she should be treated like any other sex offender,the kid still might've wanted it which you can bet your ass he wouldn't have if it were a man. It isn't a double standard,it's considering that the victim isn't exactly all that innocent.

 

[sumanoskae]

Look at it like this.

What if it was a 20 year old male babysitter who got a 14 year old girl drunk and slept with her?

That's right people would be screaming for blood.

But seriously why is this even up for debate?

Nobody's debating its a crime. This is a mainly male site and most people wouldn't mind fucking someone hot. That kid managed him. Typical response is "props" to a guy.

You can't expect everyone to react the same way. Its the same thing as when a girl go's out for a date, the father is always lecturing the young lad on how he'll kill him if anything happens and that they have to be back early.

What's the dad of the bloke saying? "Give 'er one for me mate!". Why is it different? Because society doesn't treat everyone the same.

Sorry for wall of text at you, but it always annoys me how people bring that up like it's not obvious. Society is crazy.

OT:

*insert stupid comment of props here*

*wonders why the hell she slept with a 14 year old when she wouldn't have much trouble finding a boyfriend in the social circles i frequent*.

DAMN, I didn't realise how far this thread had gotten, you've probably got a few of these, sorry dude

Yes, society is shit, but the more we consent to double standards, the more true they become. And no, they are not helpful. And apparently, since she's being tried, society isn't fucked up enough to properly enforce their double standards.

And no offense, but I don't think the father of a kid who's just been arguably molested is happy for him.

It's also worth noting that this largely male site appears to represent a large amount of disagreement for this point, why?, because you can't be a thoughtless, obnoxious, insensitive douchebag here without incurring the moderator wrath. If you were to post this on YouTube or 4chan you'd probably get a great deal of "Grats", but that's because those sites are subject to the aforementioned bags of ignorant douche.

We complain about double standards all the time, but by consenting to them we just give them more power. If we would just take upon ourselves the small burden of trying to expect equality and decency from ourselves and others, we might actually get somewhere, even if it's just separating ourselves ourselves from ignorant pieces of shit and their poisonous influence. Ignorance is like a disease, and we owe it to ourselves and all humans who come after us, to take our stand in protecting them from it.

And if you don't give a fuck about humanity(Like me), then consider, the more you put up with this shit, the more people are going to dump on you

 

[Amphoteric]

14 year olds are more than capable of making choices for themselves.

This shouldn't be a crime.

 

[BehattedWanderer]

I'll just go ahead and give my opinion, as derived from South Park's episode about something very similar--namely, Miss Teacher Bangs a Boy. Clearly, the only option for her is to go nuts and hurl herself from a building top after discovery.

 

[Evidencebased]

Here's the thing. It simply cannot be rape because, as every man will attest to, if he didn't want to do it, he wouldn't have. Or to put a finer point on it, a biological reaction would not have occurred within the kid, a reaction that is necessary to having sex. ...

That's...not how penises work. Unless you're trying to tell me that all of your erections have been perfectly voluntary?

 

[AnarchistFish]

Here's the thing. It simply cannot be rape because, as every man will attest to, if he didn't want to do it, he wouldn't have. Or to put a finer point on it, a biological reaction would not have occurred within the kid, a reaction that is necessary to having sex. ...

That's...not how penises work. Unless you're trying to tell me that all of your erections have been perfectly voluntary?

If he wasn't aroused he wouldn't have been erect.

 

[mateushac]

Well, I've actually had sexual intercourse with ppl of age as a minor. At 14, I'd expect a boy to know whether or not he wanted to have sex with somebody. Hell, my parents have about a 5 year difference in age and I see no problem with that.

Of course, laws are there to be obeyed and she should surely get punished to the extent specified in their country's laws. Those laws being fair or not, that's a whole other story. (sry, idk much about USA's laws and have no time for researching how specific and severe they are for such a case)

Anyway, "Kid's a hero!"

 

[feycreature]

A 14 year old cannot give legal consent. Unless you want to move the legal age of consent to 14 (which means a 14 year old boy or girl could also legally sleep with a man or woman of ANY AGE) or make it gender-specific (which is not going to happen because it is clearly discriminatory) or widen the age gap allowable under romeo and juliet type laws, then that is the application. Deal.

I like the assumption here that a 14 year old boy is automatically so much more worldly, mature and resilient than a 14 year old girl that he is incapable of being taken advantage of whereas she is incapable of scoring with a hot older guy. That is A. a ridiculously broad generalization and B. amazingly sexist ("No, you see, she's a girl, so she's a victim, regardless of her intentions or desires. If she were a boy she'd be totally fine.")

 

[Dogstile]

Look at it like this.

What if it was a 20 year old male babysitter who got a 14 year old girl drunk and slept with her?

That's right people would be screaming for blood.

But seriously why is this even up for debate?

Nobody's debating its a crime. This is a mainly male site and most people wouldn't mind fucking someone hot. That kid managed him. Typical response is "props" to a guy.

You can't expect everyone to react the same way. Its the same thing as when a girl go's out for a date, the father is always lecturing the young lad on how he'll kill him if anything happens and that they have to be back early.

What's the dad of the bloke saying? "Give 'er one for me mate!". Why is it different? Because society doesn't treat everyone the same.

Sorry for wall of text at you, but it always annoys me how people bring that up like it's not obvious. Society is crazy.

OT:

*insert stupid comment of props here*

*wonders why the hell she slept with a 14 year old when she wouldn't have much trouble finding a boyfriend in the social circles i frequent*.

DAMN, I didn't realise how far this thread had gotten, you've probably got a few of these, sorry dude

Yes, society is shit, but the more we consent to double standards, the more true they become. And no, they are not helpful. And apparently, since she's being tried, society isn't fucked up enough to properly enforce their double standards.

And no offense, but I don't think the father of a kid who's just been arguably molested is happy for him.

It's also worth noting that this largely male site appears to represent a large amount of disagreement for this point, why?, because you can't be a thoughtless, obnoxious, insensitive douchebag here without incurring the moderator wrath. If you were to post this on YouTube or 4chan you'd probably get a great deal of "Grats", but that's because those sites are subject to the aforementioned bags of ignorant douche.

We complain about double standards all the time, but by consenting to them we just give them more power. If we would just take upon ourselves the small burden of trying to expect equality and decency from ourselves and others, we might actually get somewhere, even if it's just separating ourselves ourselves from ignorant pieces of shit and their poisonous influence. Ignorance is like a disease, and we owe it to ourselves and all humans who come after us, to take our stand in protecting them from it.

And if you don't give a fuck about humanity(Like me), then consider, the more you put up with this shit, the more people are going to dump on you

You clearly missed the point of my post.

Ok, look, that fourteen year old? Everyone goes on about how he'll be traumatized but look at most 14 year old kids who're sexually active? Don't pretend they don't exist, especially in lower income areas this is common as hell and most people grow up to be perfectly functional human beings.

People keep saying that if the roles were reversed would I be saying anything different and considering it was a parent that complained, not the kid, i'm assuming the kid is fine with it, in which case i'd say exactly the same thing, mad props, you got laid. Well done.