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Stickyreiss

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hittite said:
Interesting fact: the first man-made object in space was a manhole cover. You see, back when they were first trying out the idea of underground nuclear testing, they made a large chamber with a small exhaust tunnel leading to the surface over which they placed a manhole cover. basically, it was the world's largest, nuclear powered potato cannon. Based off of high speed camera footage that shows the cover in one frame, and just gone in the next, they were able to calculate that it was going well in excess of escape velocity. It also proved that underground nuclear testing was a viable option.
thats an awesome story, but I call shenanigans, I'd wager its an urban legend
 

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Would it be possible to reload an M249 SAW while standing? I find that every game (except a select few) allow you to reload LMG's from any position. I don't know if you've ever handled or read about heavy weapons such as the M249.

Also, would you ever be able to fire the Barrett .50 M82 from a standing or crouched position?

Finally, is it possible to silence a shotgun?
 

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Stickyreiss said:
thats an awesome story, but I call shenanigans, I'd wager its an urban legend
I don't know,I only ever saw it once, but it was in a book, not on the internet. I'll go try and find some evidence.
 

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lol some person is like HOW DO WE DEFEND OURSELVES IF CRIMINALS HAVE GUNS
if guns were outlawed
guns would be expensive cuz the black market is not exactly cheap

SO
they wouldn't use the gun to rob people
they use the guns
for more important things

i mean honestly the reason we have so much gun crime is because cheap guns are easy get a hold
of. there are handguns for less than a hundred.

HOW DO WE DEFNED OURSELVES
CANT TRUST THE POLICE
THEY SUCK
 

Starke

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Stickyreiss said:
hittite said:
Interesting fact: the first man-made object in space was a manhole cover. You see, back when they were first trying out the idea of underground nuclear testing, they made a large chamber with a small exhaust tunnel leading to the surface over which they placed a manhole cover. basically, it was the world's largest, nuclear powered potato cannon. Based off of high speed camera footage that shows the cover in one frame, and just gone in the next, they were able to calculate that it was going well in excess of escape velocity. It also proved that underground nuclear testing was a viable option.
thats an awesome story, but I call shenanigans, I'd wager its an urban legend
I'm calling bullshit as well. It is true that the first nuclear test was underground in an urban area, Chicago, but it did not achieve critical mass, and was a power generation test.

I don't beleive the first underground nuclear weapon tests were before above ground testing was banned, but I could be wrong.
 

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Okay, I found it again. http://nfttu.blogspot.com/2006/01/nuclear-potato-cannon.html

Looks like I messed up a few details, sorry.
 

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UltraParanoia said:
@Guess who: Get a Milsurp, .303 Enfield or a Mosin Nagant, they make fantastic hunting rifles.
Personally, i doubt any of those would be powerful enough for hunting moose or black bear, but I wouldn't quote me on it.
 

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Rocklobster93 said:
UltraParanoia said:
@Guess who: Get a Milsurp, .303 Enfield or a Mosin Nagant, they make fantastic hunting rifles.
Personally, i doubt any of those would be powerful enough for hunting moose or black bear, but I wouldn't quote me on it.
shot placement my friend
shot placement
 

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hittite said:
Okay, I found it again. http://nfttu.blogspot.com/2006/01/nuclear-potato-cannon.html

Looks like I messed up a few details, sorry.
Okay, that does mesh with what I recall. I might have seen something on that once, I'm not sure. Sorry, I called bullshit on you.
 

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seriously? only 14?
i can assure you 18 of the guns i've chosen are correct...

AK-47 Type 2. easily identifable by the weapon sling hook at the near base of the butt.
G36K. carbine varient, it has a medium barrel length
F-2000. unless if it is some other future weapon, im pretty sure it is its outline
M-16a2/3. impossible to tell because the variation changes between the M-16a2 and a3 can only be identified by looking at the weapons reciever
Steyr Aug-P. the police varient which has a very short barrel. that is not a AUG-A1 unless if you unintentionally clipped the barrel of when you cropped the image.
MP5SD3, identifiable because of the collapsable stock. the SD1 and 4 have caps and the SD2 has a complete buttstock.
FAMAS-F1. identifiable by the box magazine, other variations of the FAMAS have a banana mag.
XM8 Carbine. can be identified by its barrel, not extending much further from the stock of the weapon. not to mention its muzzle break which is not enclosed unlike on the infantry and sharp shooter varients.
L85a1/a2. it is an SA80 weapon, marked as L85 in the armed services. the diffrences between A1 and A2 are purely internal so there is no real way to tell from an outline.
SCAR-L Mk. 16 Std. with its STANAG magazine, you can tell it is the 5.56 (L mk. 16) varient. with its barrel length you can tell it is using Std. (standard) barrel.
SVD. it is an SVD... or do you want to obses about it being a 'Tigr' varient? a cheek pad peice is by no means an identifing marker for that varient of weapon as the only diffrence the Tigr has is that it fires nato 7.62 instead of the russian 7.62 rimmed. again, not something you can identify from an outline.
Barret M107. the same name for the M82a1 .50 caliber anti material rifle.
Remington model 870 Express. identifiable through its trigger guard and the fact the barrel and magazine also meet up at the same spot.
the Lewis gun... only gun with that type of barrel.
the short magazine lee-enfield no. 1 mk. 3. (SMLE #1 mk 3) its magazine and barrel are the give away for the no. 1 mk3.
1825 Italian Percussion Pistol. my local gun store has one as a collectors item. the shape of the lock makes it easy to identify as a percussion weapon, and the stamping rod and shape make it a 1825 italian...
FN P90 USG. identifiable by the angled off break. a standard FNP90 has a simple cylindrical break with no angle.
IMI Micro Uzi. classic image, easy to identify outline.
G36E. full length battle rifle commonly exported by HK. identifiable because of longer stock and barrel.
M61/M26 Grenade. identifiable by the general shape but mostly because of the box safty pin.

the beretta, USP, Desert Eagle, and glock. yeah sure i probably got those mixed up. i'm unsure of the specific variations of these weapons.

however the Five-seveN has the tell tail circle pistol guard to accomidate gloves more readily making it easy to identify.

i'm not seeing how i only have 14 of these correct...
 

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Slayer_2 said:
Would it be possible to reload an M249 SAW while standing? I find that every game (except a select few) allow you to reload LMG's from any position. I don't know if you've ever handled or read about heavy weapons such as the M249.

Also, would you ever be able to fire the Barrett .50 M82 from a standing or crouched position?

Finally, is it possible to silence a shotgun?
I'll tackle these for S&G's:

M249 SAW reload from standing: 99% of normal human beings don't have the kind of wrist strength it would take to keep control of the piglet's muzzle. Try fishing a box of 200 5.56mm rounds out of "somewhere on your person" while holding a machine gun in one hand.
Also, depending on which hand you're holding it in you're going to have trouble either cocking the weapon (done twice if doing proper unload/load drills), or fitting the box. To sum up my ramble: in theory yes but it would take all day and give you a sore fucking wrist.

M82 .50 from standing/crouching position: Nope. Well, I suppose you could squeeze the trigger, but the recoil would knock you over, and you'd never be able to hold it on a target in a steady fasion.

Silence a shotgun: I don't know much 'bout shotguns, but I'm going to say no, due to the shot scattering towards the end of the barrel. I'd appreciate it if our expert rendered a verdict here.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
the beretta, USP, Desert Eagle, and glock. yeah sure i probably got those mixed up. i'm unsure of the specific variations of these weapons.

however the Five-seveN has the tell tail circle pistol guard to accomidate gloves more readily making it easy to identify.

i'm not seeing how i only have 14 of these correct...
The prevailing opinion is that it's not a USP, it's probably a SOCOM, you can tell from the raised back sights, as others have mentioned before. Though it could be a USP Tactical. I'm not familiar enough with the USP variants to be sure, and no one's suggested that yet. The glock is kinda good luck with that, it's either a compact or full frame glock, beyond that there's almost no distinguishing characteristics between the silouettes. It's the post '99 model though, you can tell from the gripping, but hell if I can remember what the sub letter for that is.

EDIT: It's a full frame glock, which still means it could be a 17, a 20, a 21, a I honestly forget and kinda don't care, no offense. And I double checked the image, it's a USP Tactical, the SOCOM doesn't have the flange on its magazine, usually. They both have the raised rear sight, and the threaded barrel.

I guess the M9/Beretta 92FS could be something else wacky, like a the Taurus M9 knockoff, but if Sticky's pulling that, he's officially an ass. :p
 

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51gunner said:
Slayer_2 said:
Finally, is it possible to silence a shotgun?
Silence a shotgun: I don't know much 'bout shotguns, but I'm going to say no, due to the shot scattering towards the end of the barrel. I'd appreciate it if our expert rendered a verdict here.
Not an expert, but, my inclination is to agree with 51gunner. If anyone really figured out how to silence a shotgun, I've never heard of it. Most supressors work off controling release of gasses from the gunshot, with a shotgun that just wouldn't be possible, normally (at least not with shot, it should be possible to silence a shotgun loaded with slugs, but why would you?).
 

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M249 SAW reload from standing: 99% of normal human beings don't have the kind of wrist strength it would take to keep control of the piglet's muzzle. Try fishing a box of 200 5.56mm rounds out of "somewhere on your person" while holding a machine gun in one hand.
Also, depending on which hand you're holding it in you're going to have trouble either cocking the weapon (done twice if doing proper unload/load drills), or fitting the box. To sum up my ramble: in theory yes but it would take all day and give you a sore fucking wrist.
I though so, it is funny how so many "realistic" games allow you to reload the M249 while running around.

M82 .50 from standing/crouching position: Nope. Well, I suppose you could squeeze the trigger, but the recoil would knock you over, and you'd never be able to hold it on a target in a steady fasion.
That's what I meant. I know that the thing weighs 30+ pounds unloaded, and those bullets are huge. Yet another weapon video-games usually portray ridiculously. Also, would US Marines (or any military force, for that matter), use the thing for anti-personnel purposes? Maybe at a range of 1.5KM or more?

Silence a shotgun: I don't know much 'bout shotguns, but I'm going to say no, due to the shot scattering towards the end of the barrel. I'd appreciate it if our expert rendered a verdict here.
That's what I thought, but my gun nut friend is convinced that you can.
 

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I guess it is possible to have the gun fly out of your hands at least when it's the Thompson Contender.

Or possibly this.
 

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Wasn't there a video of a woman getting tagged in the face with a Deagle?

(Youtube would never lie to me? :( )

Yes, yes there was.
She doesn't loose hold of it, but still.
 

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Pyro Paul said:
seriously? only 14?
i can assure you 18 of the guns i've chosen are correct...

AK-47 Type 2. easily identifable by the weapon sling hook at the near base of the butt.
G36K. carbine varient, it has a medium barrel length
F-2000. unless if it is some other future weapon, im pretty sure it is its outline
M-16a2/3. impossible to tell because the variation changes between the M-16a2 and a3 can only be identified by looking at the weapons reciever
Steyr Aug-P. the police varient which has a very short barrel. that is not a AUG-A1 unless if you unintentionally clipped the barrel of when you cropped the image.
MP5SD3, identifiable because of the collapsable stock. the SD1 and 4 have caps and the SD2 has a complete buttstock.
FAMAS-F1. identifiable by the box magazine, other variations of the FAMAS have a banana mag.
XM8 Carbine. can be identified by its barrel, not extending much further from the stock of the weapon. not to mention its muzzle break which is not enclosed unlike on the infantry and sharp shooter varients.
L85a1/a2. it is an SA80 weapon, marked as L85 in the armed services. the diffrences between A1 and A2 are purely internal so there is no real way to tell from an outline.
SCAR-L Mk. 16 Std. with its STANAG magazine, you can tell it is the 5.56 (L mk. 16) varient. with its barrel length you can tell it is using Std. (standard) barrel.
SVD. it is an SVD... or do you want to obses about it being a 'Tigr' varient? a cheek pad peice is by no means an identifing marker for that varient of weapon as the only diffrence the Tigr has is that it fires nato 7.62 instead of the russian 7.62 rimmed. again, not something you can identify from an outline.
Barret M107. the same name for the M82a1 .50 caliber anti material rifle.
Remington model 870 Express. identifiable through its trigger guard and the fact the barrel and magazine also meet up at the same spot.
the Lewis gun... only gun with that type of barrel.
the short magazine lee-enfield no. 1 mk. 3. (SMLE #1 mk 3) its magazine and barrel are the give away for the no. 1 mk3.
1825 Italian Percussion Pistol. my local gun store has one as a collectors item. the shape of the lock makes it easy to identify as a percussion weapon, and the stamping rod and shape make it a 1825 italian...
FN P90 USG. identifiable by the angled off break. a standard FNP90 has a simple cylindrical break with no angle.
IMI Micro Uzi. classic image, easy to identify outline.
G36E. full length battle rifle commonly exported by HK. identifiable because of longer stock and barrel.
M61/M26 Grenade. identifiable by the general shape but mostly because of the box safty pin.

the beretta, USP, Desert Eagle, and glock. yeah sure i probably got those mixed up. i'm unsure of the specific variations of these weapons.

however the Five-seveN has the tell tail circle pistol guard to accomidate gloves more readily making it easy to identify.

i'm not seeing how i only have 14 of these correct...
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