Poll: Firearms F.A.Q. IRL Edition (read first post if you are entering thread for the first time)

[Stickyreiss]

M249 SAW reload from standing: 99% of normal human beings don't have the kind of wrist strength it would take to keep control of the piglet's muzzle. Try fishing a box of 200 5.56mm rounds out of "somewhere on your person" while holding a machine gun in one hand.
Also, depending on which hand you're holding it in you're going to have trouble either cocking the weapon (done twice if doing proper unload/load drills), or fitting the box. To sum up my ramble: in theory yes but it would take all day and give you a sore fucking wrist.

I though so, it is funny how so many "realistic" games allow you to reload the M249 while running around.
yes

M82 .50 from standing/crouching position: Nope. Well, I suppose you could squeeze the trigger, but the recoil would knock you over, and you'd never be able to hold it on a target in a steady fasion.

That's what I meant. I know that the thing weighs 30+ pounds unloaded, and those bullets are huge. Yet another weapon video-games usually portray ridiculously. Also, would US Marines (or any military force, for that matter), use the thing for anti-personnel purposes? Maybe at a range of 1.5KM or more?

there is a special arm locking technique that you can use, the recoil will not knock you over, and the purpose of the weapon is to punch through cover like brick or concrete

Silence a shotgun: I don't know much 'bout shotguns, but I'm going to say no, due to the shot scattering towards the end of the barrel. I'd appreciate it if our expert rendered a verdict here.

That's what I thought, but my gun nut friend is convinced that you can.
silenced shotguns are completely true, although the sound reduction in MW2 is misleading, slugs are easy to silence, and for shot, you can use a shotcup, a plastic retainer for the shot until it exits the barrel

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[Stickyreiss]

the beretta, USP, Desert Eagle, and glock. yeah sure i probably got those mixed up. i'm unsure of the specific variations of these weapons.

however the Five-seveN has the tell tail circle pistol guard to accomidate gloves more readily making it easy to identify.

i'm not seeing how i only have 14 of these correct...

The prevailing opinion is that it's not a USP, it's probably a SOCOM, you can tell from the raised back sights, as others have mentioned before. Though it could be a USP Tactical. I'm not familiar enough with the USP variants to be sure, and no one's suggested that yet. The glock is kinda good luck with that, it's either a compact or full frame glock, beyond that there's almost no distinguishing characteristics between the silouettes. It's the post '99 model though, you can tell from the gripping, but hell if I can remember what the sub letter for that is.

EDIT: It's a full frame glock, which still means it could be a 17, a 20, a 21, a I honestly forget and kinda don't care, no offense. And I double checked the image, it's a USP Tactical, the SOCOM doesn't have the flange on its magazine, usually. They both have the raised rear sight, and the threaded barrel.

I guess the M9/Beretta 92FS could be something else wacky, like a the Taurus M9 knockoff, but if Sticky's pulling that, he's officially an ass.

ok, i am kind of an ass for the beretta
i was wrong about the vickers, or rather google images was, glock 17,20,21 are visually identical, i accepted them all
the SOCOM also has a spur on the trigger guard

 

[hittite]

would row 3, column 3 be the model 12 trench gun perchance?

 

[Earthbound Engineer]

...

That thing is just too damn huge.

OT: Justify the right to bear arms in the USA when the firearms murder rate is substantialy lower in countries where the average citizen cannot own a gun, and specifically handguns.

Huh...typical gun-grabber. Well, I assume you're not a criminal of any kind, therefore try to put this theory into the perspective of a criminal: If there are no laws constricting the possession and/or concealment of firearms, of course criminals are still going to carry guns, however, all other law abiding citizens will also carry them. So, if you were a thug, would you want to mug somebody in a rich little subdivision where guns are prohibited, or in the Deep South where everybody carries a gun. If you know that that little old lady is carrying a gun, you're gonna think twice about mugging her. It's not just about the right to carry a weapon, it's about the right to defend yourself. Sure, you're probably thinking, "But that amendment was written a long time ago, before we had a police force." True, but if somebody is going to kill you in a dark alleyway, the only thing that the police will be able to do is collect your corpse, they're not going to get there in time to defend you. They'll find the person who killed you and put him through the judicial system (where he'll probably get off on a technicality), but the point is, you'll already be dead, which defeats the purpose of having a police force to begin with. Justify that, Good Sir, and please, have a slice of cake.

Edit: By the way, I'm sick of going through this same argument over and over again with numerous people, so if you have any further questions (or contradictions) concerning this post, please just read chapter 2 of Glenn Beck's book Arguing with Idiots.

 

[Starke]

the SOCOM also has a spur on the trigger guard

The trigger guard is the one thing where the SOCOM and the USP look completly different, I should have remembered. It doesn't just have a spur, it's got more of a curve to it, in contrast to the USP's angular approach

 

[Starke]

this was probably asked already but I?ll ask it anyway is it true that gun can jam if use it at pointblank?

As far as I know the proximity to the target can't cause it to jam, but there are a lot of things that will.

If you're trying to use a semi automatic handgun against someone at point blank there is in fact a way to disable it, but it doesn't jam the gun.

EDIT: It's also extremly dangerous and requires a substantial degree of hand to hand training to even attempt.

 

[The_ModeRazor]

... and God, I fucking hate guns.
I can understand why people like them: they are designed so they look good, they're manly, and owning one gives you some sense of safety and power.
But then again, they're all for the same purpose: to kill. Usually another human. Which means that whatever fucking argument you try to bring, is pointless and a waste of time. Don't even try.

you are perfectly entitled to believe this. While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

So... I guess that meant something like you, armed people are defending my arse from... something. Great.
Except, you're not.
Especially not because people out here in this eastern-european piece of shit country don't have guns.

 

[Stickyreiss]

this was probably asked already but I?ll ask it anyway is it true that gun can jam if use it at pointblank?

As far as I know the proximity to the target can't cause it to jam, but there are a lot of things that will.

If you're trying to use a semi automatic handgun against someone at point blank there is in fact a way to disable it, but it doesn't jam the gun.

EDIT: It's also extremly dangerous and requires a substantial degree of hand to hand training to even attempt.

actually, with modern semi auto handguns, true point blank(pressing against them) will push the slide back and lock the trigger.

 

[Starke]

this was probably asked already but I?ll ask it anyway is it true that gun can jam if use it at pointblank?

As far as I know the proximity to the target can't cause it to jam, but there are a lot of things that will.

If you're trying to use a semi automatic handgun against someone at point blank there is in fact a way to disable it, but it doesn't jam the gun.

EDIT: It's also extremly dangerous and requires a substantial degree of hand to hand training to even attempt.

actually, with modern semi auto handguns, true point blank(pressing against them) will push the slide back and lock the trigger.

Which was what I was alluding to... >.<

First DO NOT DO THIS!

If you're within arms length, you can ram the slide open with a palm strike and then jam your thumb into the ejection port, effectivly disabling the weapon. It's tricky, dangerous and above all else DO NOT DO THIS.

 

[Stickyreiss]

... and God, I fucking hate guns.
I can understand why people like them: they are designed so they look good, they're manly, and owning one gives you some sense of safety and power.
But then again, they're all for the same purpose: to kill. Usually another human. Which means that whatever fucking argument you try to bring, is pointless and a waste of time. Don't even try.

you are perfectly entitled to believe this. While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

So... I guess that meant something like you, armed people are defending my arse from... something. Great.
Except, you're not.
Especially not because people out here in this eastern-european piece of shit country don't have guns.

no, its just a famous quote,

 

[The_ModeRazor]

... and God, I fucking hate guns.
I can understand why people like them: they are designed so they look good, they're manly, and owning one gives you some sense of safety and power.
But then again, they're all for the same purpose: to kill. Usually another human. Which means that whatever fucking argument you try to bring, is pointless and a waste of time. Don't even try.

you are perfectly entitled to believe this. While I may not agree with what you say, I will defend to the death your right to say it.

So... I guess that meant something like you, armed people are defending my arse from... something. Great.
Except, you're not.
Especially not because people out here in this eastern-european piece of shit country don't have guns.

no, its just a famous quote,

Oh, well...
I can't argue with a quote, now can I?
Yes, indeed I can. But there's no point.
Instead I'll just wish you a nice (although somewhat distant) Christmas.

 

[UltraParanoia]

@Guess who: Get a Milsurp, .303 Enfield or a Mosin Nagant, they make fantastic hunting rifles.

Personally, i doubt any of those would be powerful enough for hunting moose or black bear, but I wouldn't quote me on it.

People used .303 to hunt elephants, so I could imagine moose and I know black bear aren't much of a problem.

I was just suggesting those because they are relativly cheap(especially the Mosin), and can bring down pretty much anything in North America.

Next up suggestion would be 30-06, which has killed everything in North America, and is one of the best hunting rounds out there.

And like Sticky said, shot placement is key.

Spoiler: Now,

 

[51gunner]

M82 .50 from standing/crouching position: Nope. Well, I suppose you could squeeze the trigger, but the recoil would knock you over, and you'd never be able to hold it on a target in a steady fasion.

That's what I meant. I know that the thing weighs 30+ pounds unloaded, and those bullets are huge. Yet another weapon video-games usually portray ridiculously. Also, would US Marines (or any military force, for that matter), use the thing for anti-personnel purposes? Maybe at a range of 1.5KM or more?

there is a special arm locking technique that you can use, the recoil will not knock you over, and the purpose of the weapon is to punch through cover like brick or concrete

.50 cal has a longer range: the world's longest confirmed sniper kill was done with a .50 round. It was fired by a Canadian sniper in Afghanistan. So that answers the question I suppose: 50 caliber rifles are used by Canadian snipers. (They also have a .30 rifle, the .50 is not the only sniper rifle in use).

As to the arm locking technique, okay, but that's certainly not the preferred way to fire it. I was exaggerating a bit with 'knock you over'. There's a reason weapons of this caliber have a bipod: even holding it at the shoulder would get extremely tiring.

 

[Klepa]

Another inquiry, what's the most dangerous thing ever happened to you with firearms?

Military training, a full day at a firing range with our service rifles (SAKO Rk-95 Tp [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rk_95_Tp]) when one utter idiot managed to turn around with his loaded rifle (live ammo of course) and almost point to the rest of us because..... well, we never were too clear on what he was thinking. Me, and my friend on the other side, we managed to react fast enough.

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Had a similar experience, also in the Finnish Defence Force, with the same rifle.
There was a guy in our company, let's call him Bob, who was.. a bit on the slow side.

(Take note, RK-95's fire-selector switch is also the safety)

A part of our company was at a firing range, lying on the cement, waiting for our targets. 12 rounds in the magazine, safeties are on, targets aren't up. Bob decides to fire his gun, and apparently doesn't even realize it has just fired. Somehow he had his safety off, and he managed to pull the trigger.
The two lieutenants go absolutely berserk, and scold him for a good five minutes.
Bob doesn't quite seem to understand what happened, and if it's he who the lieutenants are shouting at, because Bob is a moron.

One day later, we're doing an attacking excercise, in pairs. I of course get fucking Bob as my Brother in Arms. The idea was to lie in the snow, fire at the targets, and when the targets go down, get up, sprint a few meters forward, and when targets came up, hit the deck, and fire. Under no circumstances were we to move without our safeties on, and the rifles were always to be pointed directly at the targets, even if it would make getting up a little slower.

So I was lying there with Bob, we were told to go, I put my safety on, get up, run, hit the deck, pull my safety off, shoot the targets, safety on, run, all the while making sure my gun is pointed down the range. Bob's doing the same thing, except his fire selector is constantly on automatic, and his gun is pointing at me, instead of the targets. The same goddamn Bob, who accidentally fired his gun at the range, not a day before..
I told the Lieutenant that I'm not keen on dying today, pointed at Bob's gun, and reminded sir lieutenant of yesterday's occurrances.

I never finished that excercise.

Neither did Bob.

 

[Starke]

So, I'm holding a 4.5mm SIGPro SP2022 CO2 airgun. And I just noticed the magazine release is... bifulcated, I guess.

Basically it's triangular, when you press the magazine release most of the triangle raises on the other side, except for this little notch. Initially I thought it was a method for keeping the magazine release in place, but then I noticed, that when the release is pressed, this tab moves in and out freely.

Anyone?

 

[Stickyreiss]

So, I'm holding a 4.5mm SIGPro SP2022 CO2 airgun. And I just noticed the magazine release is... bifulcated, I guess.

Basically it's triangular, when you press the magazine release most of the triangle raises on the other side, except for this little notch. Initially I thought it was a method for keeping the magazine release in place, but then I noticed, that when the release is pressed, this tab moves in and out freely.

Anyone?

>CO2 airgun
i dunno about airguns =/

 

[Pyro Paul]

well i now want to see this list of guns on what the outlines acctually are because i don't believe you got some of them right...

 

[UltraParanoia]

I've been wanting to know because I'm terrible with silhouettes and couldn't figure out most of them.

 

[Raven's Nest]

Is anyone else not comfortable with Tom Cruise knowing this much about firearms with that expression on his face?