But he was always whining and perving on his sister!SmashLovesTitanQuest said:
What about Eddy Stark? He could be all; "One does not simply... forget that winter is coming."
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What about Eddy Stark? He could be all; "One does not simply... forget that winter is coming."
I know what you mean.Goofguy said:
In any case, I'm a Stark/Stannis supporter (considering Robb just wants to rule the North)
I think Stannis would be best for the realm.
He saves the Night's Watch from being completely owned.
Edit: Incidentally, how I geographically see all the factions:
Starks: Yorkshiremen.
Greyjoys: Vikings.
Wildlings: The Scots.
Tullies: Midlanders
Boltons: Lancastrians.
Lannisters: Londoners/general southerners.
Pentoshi, and all the other ethnic people: The Indian nations, etc.
Targaryans: Not really sure... possibly a bit like the Egyptians, but a bit time displaced in relation to everyone else.
The answer is obvious.
Rickon Stark, the new King in the North! Robb is dead, Bran will probably be stuck in his wooden throne forever as a Seer. And for all we know Rickon will be a complete badass in the next book, It's been a while since we've seen him.
Stannis, I'm counting Robert taking the throne as lawful and legitimate since Aerys II was pretty much abusing his powers and being an awful King (it was Tywin Lannister holding it all together) so I think the shift in power from Targaryen to Baratheon is legitimate. Therefore, Stannis is the rightful King.
Besides, he doesn't take all that underhanded shit from schemers like Varys, Littlefinger, Pycelle. Erm, pretty much most of the council.
Robb Stark has no wish to take the Iron Throne, besides, he would probably struggle to hold it because he can fight the Lannisters but he can't fight all of the noble houses.
Renly Baratheon is a good figurehead King, popular and charming. However, he is ruled by his favourites (the Tyrells) and Stannis' claim overrides Renly's claim.
Joffrey does not deserve the throne. He is supposed to be Cersei's puppet King but he somehow manages to do an even worse job of ruling the Kingdom than she does. Joffrey has no claim to the throne.
Balon Greyjoy just doesn't know when to stop. His first rebellion was crushed by Robert, Stannis and Eddard. His new attempt will spell doom for the Iron islands. They do not have the strength to take the throne and certainly not to hold it. He also makes terrible decisions since he chooses to attack the North, which the Greyjoys certainly can't hold instead of the South which is up for grabs since Robb practically invites them to take their own chunk of it. Greyjoy house motto is "We do not sow." Balon's personal motto seems to be "I did not think this through."
Daenaerys Targaryen was not born into power, some people consider this a positive since it has not corrupted her. However, she begins being totally naive as she thinks that when she becomes Queen all the people will be happy and smiling and prosperous. She never questions or understands how the Targaryen's lost the throne or how Robert was able to keep it for 19 years with only one real rebellion. She has her dragons but they are tools of terror not love. Not many in Westeros really want her to rule and she has gotten bogged down in the Free Cities. On a more personal note, she does seem to me a bit like a Mary Sue, as does Rhaegar. In fact, many Targaryens are a bit Mary Sue like leading me to:
Aegon Targaryen is (to me personally) the equivalent of going to IKEA and buying a flat pack Targaryen Monarch. After all previous candidates struggle for the throne he seems to come out of nowhere with an "actually he wasn't dead" reveal and in no time seems to get closer to the throne that Daenaerys managed.
Besides, he doesn't take all that underhanded shit from schemers like Varys, Littlefinger, Pycelle. Erm, pretty much most of the council.
Robb Stark has no wish to take the Iron Throne, besides, he would probably struggle to hold it because he can fight the Lannisters but he can't fight all of the noble houses.
Renly Baratheon is a good figurehead King, popular and charming. However, he is ruled by his favourites (the Tyrells) and Stannis' claim overrides Renly's claim.
Joffrey does not deserve the throne. He is supposed to be Cersei's puppet King but he somehow manages to do an even worse job of ruling the Kingdom than she does. Joffrey has no claim to the throne.
Balon Greyjoy just doesn't know when to stop. His first rebellion was crushed by Robert, Stannis and Eddard. His new attempt will spell doom for the Iron islands. They do not have the strength to take the throne and certainly not to hold it. He also makes terrible decisions since he chooses to attack the North, which the Greyjoys certainly can't hold instead of the South which is up for grabs since Robb practically invites them to take their own chunk of it. Greyjoy house motto is "We do not sow." Balon's personal motto seems to be "I did not think this through."
Daenaerys Targaryen was not born into power, some people consider this a positive since it has not corrupted her. However, she begins being totally naive as she thinks that when she becomes Queen all the people will be happy and smiling and prosperous. She never questions or understands how the Targaryen's lost the throne or how Robert was able to keep it for 19 years with only one real rebellion. She has her dragons but they are tools of terror not love. Not many in Westeros really want her to rule and she has gotten bogged down in the Free Cities. On a more personal note, she does seem to me a bit like a Mary Sue, as does Rhaegar. In fact, many Targaryens are a bit Mary Sue like leading me to:
Aegon Targaryen is (to me personally) the equivalent of going to IKEA and buying a flat pack Targaryen Monarch. After all previous candidates struggle for the throne he seems to come out of nowhere with an "actually he wasn't dead" reveal and in no time seems to get closer to the throne that Daenaerys managed.
Book or TV characters? Because that does actually make a difference. If going by the book, I'd have to say Robb or Renly
Because the TV Robb is a major character, but in the books his story is only told from catlyn's POV, and he's away most of the time. He's much less irritating, and the whole marriage thing with jeyne westerling is less "hey let's get married and fuck shit up!" and more "dayum, we had sex, I've got to do the right thing here", which most of the other alpha male characters wouldn't do.
TV renly really gets shafted. He comes across as essentially just a gay, weak, and kinda useless guy. Whereas in the book he's a lot more witty, and described as quite a strong warrior. Also, given the amount of people he manages to unite under him, that seems like a good quality for a king.
...But having read the books, I'll throw my support behind only one man. Tormund Giantsbane 4 evar.
assuming this is a period before everyone dies
Because the TV Robb is a major character, but in the books his story is only told from catlyn's POV, and he's away most of the time. He's much less irritating, and the whole marriage thing with jeyne westerling is less "hey let's get married and fuck shit up!" and more "dayum, we had sex, I've got to do the right thing here", which most of the other alpha male characters wouldn't do.
TV renly really gets shafted. He comes across as essentially just a gay, weak, and kinda useless guy. Whereas in the book he's a lot more witty, and described as quite a strong warrior. Also, given the amount of people he manages to unite under him, that seems like a good quality for a king.
...But having read the books, I'll throw my support behind only one man. Tormund Giantsbane 4 evar.
You may want to spoiler that last paragraph, as this thread's tv show centralized. Plus, to be fair, he had Jon Connington helping him. I don't think he's a mary sue or anything, considering he's not really doing the work.JaceValm said:
Actually, from what GRRM has said, the Lannisters are the Lancasters. The Lannisters are the ones who they were directly vying for control with, the Boltons are just traitors. I'd say from what I understand, the Tyrells are more the Londoners what with all their pomp and supposed civility. The books are in part inspired by the War of the Roses in case you hadn't heard that.Binnsyboy said:
I would say that the Pentoshi and the other city states are meant to make you think of the Italian city states, Braasvos especially reminds me of Venice. As you get further into places like Slavers Bay and those cites, then you start seeing more of the eastern influence.
For those of you who want to discuss A Song of Ice and Fire in more depth, there is a group [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/groups/view/A-Song-of-Ice-and-Fire] for that and and while its been pretty much dead for a while, I am more than happy to discuss the books, as well as the TV show with anyone who wants to.
OT: I would support the Starks, because everyone else are dicks. I seriously don't see why anyone would choose Stannis, he is a dogmatic, unbending dick, who has allowed himself to be duped by some ***** with firework gun powder.
Well... Daenerys has the best legal claim to the throne, followed by Stannis - those are my picks, in that order
Ah, that's fair enough. I was thinking War of the Roses, but I kind of lumped the Boltons as Lancaster, since they were Northern, and betrayed the York crown.GrimTuesday said:
As for Stannis, his interactions with Jon show how he's somewhat decent. I don't think being duped makes him an asshole, per se. Renly might have been good too, but I don't think he took things seriously enough. Tyrion isn't so much an ass, as he is just coldly efficient. Pretty much the rest of the Lannisters certainly are, though.
From what I understand, GRRM is trying to be realistic in that nobody is inherently good.
robotam said:
Jon is probably the best option overall. He's Ned Stark reborn. And that, is awesome. He's already shown that he's a just Lord Commander and someone who's very compassionate about the plight of the Wildlings. As opposed to the others who haven't even heard or don't plain care for 'em. And that's a big plus in my book.
I'm not saying that he is an asshole because he was duped, he's an asshole because he is dogmatic and practices absolute justice, the majority of the time regardless of the circumstances of the situation. Renly was one of those people who see everything as a game. He would have played king while someone else did all the actual ruling.Binnsyboy said:
Tyrion gets such a free pass from fans, and it has kind of spoiled the character for me. People seem to think he is this perfect character who never fucks up and only redeeming qualities. There are even those who think he is some sort of secret Targaryen, which if it turns out to be true, I'll be very upset, due to the fact that it spoils the great relationship he has with Tywin.
The moral greyness of the characters is actually my favorite part about the books.
I like Robb the most, but Stannis has the best claim, so either one of them.
The Greyjoy's are treacherous bastards, so not them
I never liked Renly, he never took the job seriously
Dany, Nothing against her, but she's too busy in Essos freeing slaves to be of any use.
As for Joffery, if there were no other options for king, I would do my duty to the realm:
The Greyjoy's are treacherous bastards, so not them
I never liked Renly, he never took the job seriously
Dany, Nothing against her, but she's too busy in Essos freeing slaves to be of any use.
As for Joffery, if there were no other options for king, I would do my duty to the realm:
"Night gathers, and now my watch begins. It shall not end until my death. I shall take no wife, hold no lands, father no children. I shall wear no crowns and win no glory. I shall live and die at my post. I am the sword in the darkness. I am the watcher on the walls. I am the fire that burns against the cold, the light that brings the dawn, the horn that wakes the sleepers, the shield that guards the realms of men. I pledge my life and honor to the Night's Watch, for this night and all the nights to come."
Stannis gives off much the airs of the Tudors: hard ruling, but necessary after so many wars of civil war. Westeros needs the same hard hand to enforce a period of stability as that House gave England.
The only issue would be succession and if he doesn't produce a male heir it'll be back to square one when he dies.
The only issue would be succession and if he doesn't produce a male heir it'll be back to square one when he dies.
To rule? None of them. Frankly I hope the Red Comet comes down and barbecues the whole lot of them.Lord Garnaat said:
Why?
Because they are all bastards. They are bastard coated bastards with bastard filling and a bastardy nougat core. I enjoy the show immensly, as all the political back and forth is quite fun, and I like how it puts a veil of ambiguity around the state of bastardness, but I've read enough into the books to know without a doubt that none of the people vying for the throne should be allowed anywhere near a position of national power as no matter which way this goes Westeros is in BIG trouble.
The last truly decent person worthy to lead a country was Eddard Stark, and even then Westeros being the birthplace of bastard-kind, he'd never have been able to do it, hence the beheading and such. So yeah, hope that Comet comes down on this place and wipes the slate clean, and if we're lucky just before the ball of rock and ice obliterates everything it shoves itself right up Joffrey's rear end on the way down (for he is the most bastardy of all the bastards)
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