Poll: Game Overthinker After Mass and after thoughts
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He is a movie reviewer, I watch moviebob and I occasionally watch the big picture. I like the guy and it seems he knows of lot of interesting stuff (especially core nerd fandom related stuff, which i'll be honest has never really interested me, but bob manages to make interesting and he actually got my psyched about seeing the avengers movie) BUT his opinion on games means jack, and he can come across as being extremely ignorant about certain topics and I think he is a little to much *comic book guy* to be ever taken perfectly seriously.
Agreed, most of his shows have really slowed down to the point I've stopped even watching, and the ME3 jab sealed the deal. It was an unprofessional move and the audacity of it was just shocking. It was basically him mocking his audience like some kind of nostalgic elitist.Fappy said:
He seems to have completely forgotten his audience and the themes of his shows have drastically deviated course. He doesn't understand that the main appeal of his shows were that they were informative and while he may have mentioned his own opinion it was never to the point it was never the point that it was a problem. Sure I disagreed with some of his opinion before but he would argue his thinking in a logically structured manner causing me to at least see into his way of thinking. (most of the time)
Now it's just a trite pandering few minutes on why he thinks ______ is bad for _______. All usually ending that it's modern day ignorant games/gamers fault. (note: this is his main audience)
I wrote him a message (which I knew then he probably wouldn't read) just asking him to look into what he was talking about a bit more and make an attempt at seeing the other side of the argument. I see his side - minus the name calling and the hyperbole, there's a point to be made about what it could set as precedent for a company to make such a change based on this type of reaction and there's a widely embraced philosophy that what we get is what we have to live with. I don't agree, but I see the logic and I understand the concern. I just wanted him to take a look at the same thing on the other side. He hasn't. He won't. I'm not interested in people who can't be bothered to be open to different perspectives. It's a bummer too, because I followed Big Picture and his movie reviews - looked forward to them. I just won't play them anymore though - my click is the only voice I get with someone who's going to ignore all comments, so I'm using it.370999 said:
You want me to go through that and point out what's bad and what's hilarious? Half of it is hilarious.malestrithe said:
'sides, even if I did the fair thing and compared the best of the 90's to the best of 80's... 90's win.
By far.
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malestrithe said:
Ah, I was thinking along similar linesFreechoice said:
Remember, while the 90's excelled in many things they also popularized those stupid saggy pants fashion trend, The Phantom Menace was brought into existance, the popularity of boy bands exploded and the Digital Millennium Copyright Act was created.
Also for kids who were in a house with one tv, many days were spent watching things like the OJ trial and news about Clinton's humping partner instead of the Simpsons that usually aired around that timeslot.
Oh yeah, remember the fear of Y2K bug. All digital clocks would go from 99 to 00 which would somehow cause the world's supply of nukes to autofire(targeting every major city, naturally) and destroy us all. Still a better story than the 2012 Mayan apocalypse though.
There was a lot of great things that came out of the 90s but there was a lot of shite too.
There was also Jackass Thompson using the Colombine shooting to further his political views.
Oh I get you. I think people on his side don't realize just how noxious what he's saying is to their argument. I remember debating with someone on this forum about retake ME and he brought up how there was a failure to deal with the crazy elements in the group, and he was right in saying that but I could instantly bring up Bob as a response.Mylinkay Asdara said:
Because no matte how easy Bob finds it to knock down a strawman, it is even easier for move to point to his video and say "People like this don't get it".
And I feel that does rob that side of the argument, and I do think this is an discussion that should happen, of rationality. And I think this applies to anything Bob touches, even the stuff I agree with him on, you do have to divorce yourself from him, say "This guy agrees with me but he's just the extreme fringe" and in a way that's quite the tragic position for bob to let himself fall into.
Look I'm pretty similar to you, his Mass Effect video was where I said no more. I then looked at the comments to the Raid review and apparently he went on a huge tangent about American Pie: Reunion and how high school sucks, so I didn't feel that I lost too much.
I think fundamentally it comes down to an unwillingness or a lack of ability to divorce Bob the person from the reviews/arguments/etc he outputs beyond which is normally acceptable. Which always tarnishes them by making them of limited utility to anyone not MovieBob.
Bob isn't a stupid man. Nowhere near as clever as he thinks but not stupid. But he is so lazy and holds his viewers in such contempt to not even bother to attempt research is well, insulting.
Clearly he get's views though so in the end I'll avoid him and I will suggest to the Escapist community at large to just keep in mind that if Bob won't even do you the courtesy of providing a well researched argument then why should you do the courtesy of watching it?
Agreed. It's a shame though, always, when people who could be more choose not to be.370999 said:
I like Bob. I don't agree with his tastes in movies, and I generally avoid Escape as a result but I like the bigger Picture and sometimes check out his other stuff (Game OverThinker, as this thread covers).
However, he's acting like a child and calling other people childish. I'm not sure if he's just doing this as a gimmick for hits or has no sense of irony, but consider he does a lot of things he complains about RME doing, it's still rather ridiculous.
However, he's acting like a child and calling other people childish. I'm not sure if he's just doing this as a gimmick for hits or has no sense of irony, but consider he does a lot of things he complains about RME doing, it's still rather ridiculous.
Don't worry. Thanks to complacent consumers, we won't have any soon.Mydogisblue said:
This. So much this. I'm sick of the bashing on him. I don't mind if you disagree, but EVERYTHING he brings up thats not ME3 related there's someone whos gotta insult him over it.SirBryghtside said:
And his GO thing is worse. His ep on companies needing to open their back catalog? People were bashing him for thinking that. How bout when he mentions how Japanese companies need to get off their high horse and release more games in the states because its hurting the American fans? Well to his "fans" he was the spawn of Satan because Japan is the worst country to people these days.
The biggest thing I think Bob is missing about the ending, is not that its "bad" or its "not the ending we want" but that it openly volatiles the medium of story telling as we know it.
It changes the underlying theme (plot motivation) of the story, nullifies the antagonist and replaces the protagonist. It "attempts" to do all of that in 14 lines of dialog with no fore shadowing, all while violating the universes own set up rules and logic.
If you just "watch" the ending then sure, the ending just appears to "just look bad". But that is like picking up some random book, reading the last 3 pages and then making a statement that anybody who dislikes that ending is "entitled" or what ever flippant remark makes him feel superior.
To understand the hatred of the ending of ME3 relies on understanding the players previous invested game play. If you are not willing to the take time to understand the theme of the story, who is the protagonist, who is the antagonist, then you can't lay judgment against those who do.
Since Bob use Godfather as an example - to counter his example; the ending is not in the sad submission that he still ends up being what he tired so hard NOT to become, but that in the final 5 minutes of the movie, all of his closest friends around him are shot to death by the rival gang, and then suddenly an angel shows up and tells him he has to make a choice between coming a clown, a taxi driver or a nun. On making a said random choice, we watch all of the worlds highways being blown up and two people who we where shown just got shot to death are now shown stepping of a boat, now marooned on a island in the middle nowhere, with nary a bullet hole on them.
We can't take ME3 ending serious, because it doesn't take its players serious. How can we respect the medium, when its the medium has shown it doesn't wish to be taken with respect. I guess you could say that gamers should have taken the highroad on the matter, but then again, we never expected BioWare to crash so lowly.
It changes the underlying theme (plot motivation) of the story, nullifies the antagonist and replaces the protagonist. It "attempts" to do all of that in 14 lines of dialog with no fore shadowing, all while violating the universes own set up rules and logic.
If you just "watch" the ending then sure, the ending just appears to "just look bad". But that is like picking up some random book, reading the last 3 pages and then making a statement that anybody who dislikes that ending is "entitled" or what ever flippant remark makes him feel superior.
To understand the hatred of the ending of ME3 relies on understanding the players previous invested game play. If you are not willing to the take time to understand the theme of the story, who is the protagonist, who is the antagonist, then you can't lay judgment against those who do.
Since Bob use Godfather as an example - to counter his example; the ending is not in the sad submission that he still ends up being what he tired so hard NOT to become, but that in the final 5 minutes of the movie, all of his closest friends around him are shot to death by the rival gang, and then suddenly an angel shows up and tells him he has to make a choice between coming a clown, a taxi driver or a nun. On making a said random choice, we watch all of the worlds highways being blown up and two people who we where shown just got shot to death are now shown stepping of a boat, now marooned on a island in the middle nowhere, with nary a bullet hole on them.
We can't take ME3 ending serious, because it doesn't take its players serious. How can we respect the medium, when its the medium has shown it doesn't wish to be taken with respect. I guess you could say that gamers should have taken the highroad on the matter, but then again, we never expected BioWare to crash so lowly.
Pretty easily I guess. If you go hunting for witches, you're going to find a witch. Go hunting for racism...DVS BSTrD said:
Basically he brought up some factors that, if gathered together largely without context and viewed through the correct lens, might point towards there being some racist undertones. The thing is that if I look hard enough at any franchise, I could start pulling out things that are potentially racist (for example, Endermen in Minecraft are black, attack if stared at and steal your blocks. Therefore Minecraft is racist). The games aren't really racist, and playing them doesn't make you some sort of white supremacist. It just means that certain people are going to start gathering pitchforks and torches based on their own delusions.
Then please explain "it". I had to ask one of the guys who formed the calm and coherent portion of the retake movement to go into detail, and we had to take it into the PM section in order to do so.MacNille said:
You want people to "get it"? Then stop with the hipster bull and actually go into detail! It's not that frigging hard!
I have never wanted to hug someone over an internet comment before. I feel sad that I can't.00slash00 said:
Y2K was fucking exciting. We had a party and we all rushed to check and see if our computers exploded.-Dragmire- said:
Oh... I miss my desktop.
How can you take anything that has a 2 minute intro of pure nonsense and that gets interrupted by an annoying fairy with a squeaky voice which he utilizes for explaining himself in third person needlessly lengthy every 5 minutes seriously?
He should first make his mind up whether he wants to tell us something or wants to bang his toys together.
He should first make his mind up whether he wants to tell us something or wants to bang his toys together.