Poll: Gay Marriage

[Ninja_X]

"Marriage" should be a religious ceremony, not a state-issued license.

Why? So atheists can't get married either? Or so the church can control all marriage?

Marriage has ALWASE been a cultural thing, not a religious thing.

 

[Jacobistheshiz]

Sure gays can have a marriage. Who am I to tell someone who they can marry. Just don't get all up in my grill with your gayness.

 

[Shik'rhan]

Go get married to anyone you want, marriage is meaningless thanks to divorce anyway

 

[Danman1]

its legal in Denmark, so i dont see whats wrong with it.

Of course not those Savages can't even read the bloody ape.. oh right no flaming nevermind. Marriage as a legal instituion is flawed anyway. I can understand if two people wanna be counted as together by the government than that works fine. But by using the concept of marriage your bringing religion into it which gives religious leaders a voice in civil rights and then things get ugly. I've allready murdered 4 people over it.

 

[Shik'rhan]

I've allready murdered 4 people over it.

4? man you're simply not trying hard enough

 

[Danman1]

I've allready murdered 4 people over it.

4? man you're simply not trying hard enough

Them quiers had it comin'

 

[Lady Nilstria]

Gay marriage, you say? Why, this stems all the way back to Sodom and Gommorah. I doubt it's going to stop any time soon.
Not to say that I agree with it, because I most assuredly don't. I'm Christian, and since the Bible says the following:

1 Cor. 6:9, 12-20:

Do you not know that the wicked will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral nor idolaters nor adulterers nor male prostitutes nor homosexual offenders nor thieves nor the greedy nor drunkards nor slanderers nor swindlers will inherit the kingdom of God.
And that is what some of you were. But you were washed, you were sanctified, you were justified in the name of the Lord Jesus Christ and by the Spirit of our God.
"Everything is permissible for me"-but not everything is beneficial. "Everything is permissible for me"-but I will not be mastered by anything.
"Food for the stomach and the stomach for food"-but God will destroy them both. The body is not meant for sexual immorality, but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body.
By his power God raised the Lord from the dead, and he will raise us also.
Do you not know that your bodies are members of Christ himself? Shall I then take the members of Christ and unite them with a prostitute? Never!
Do you not know that he who unites himself with a prostitute is one with her in body? For it is said, "The two will become one flesh." [fn]
But he who unites himself with the Lord is one with him in spirit.
Flee from sexual immorality. All other sins a man commits are outside his body, but he who sins sexually sins against his own body.
Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own;
you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.


Therefore, I vehementally oppose homosexuality. Not because of personal opinion, or the Constitution, or tolerance, but because my God says so. I do not hate homosexuals, please do not misunderstand. I hate the deed, not the person.

And for the record...anybody remember Adam and Eve? First marriage.

 

[kjrubberducky]

Sexuality is not predetermined. It is the result of many psychological and social variables. We do not have a gene that determines our sexuality. It is all in the mind.

Marriage defined as between a man and a woman is not prejudiced. A gay man may marry a gay woman, without being discriminated against.

Love is not sexual. I love my brother, but I am not gay. I would not marry him. Homosexuality has nothing to do with love; it is a sexual attraction, a.k.a. lust.

I believe homosexuality is wrong. Lying is also wrong. I have lied, so in God's eyes, I am just as bad as a person who is homosexual, who is just as bad as a person who stole a candy bar, who is just as bad as a murderer, who is just as bad as a cheating husband, who is just as bad as a terrorist. I don't see myself in any position to judge anyone else.

I have a few friends who are homosexual, and have told them my views. They are still my friends.

Sorry for the disjointed comments. I am a little tired.

 

[Crystal Cuckoo]

It makes me smile knowing that the majority of the Escapist believes in gay marriage.

 

[Lady Nilstria]

Love is not sexual. I love my brother, but I am not gay. I would not marry him. Homosexuality has nothing to do with love; it is a sexual attraction, a.k.a. lust.

Sorry for the disjointed comments. I am a little tired.

THANK YOU.

It delights me when someone realizes that. Sometimes I want to ask others if they know any Greek, because Greek has several different words for 'love', such as brotherly love, sexual love, the love between a husband and wife, and friendship love. There's a good reason for that. Not all love is sexual. I feel sad for people that believe that it is.

We forgive you.

 

[Yukichin]

Er, kjrubberducky, I'm fairly sure it's been proven that it is at least somewhat genetic. It's not completely clear what causes it, but I'm fairly sure there are studies that show it's at least somewhat genetic, if not completely.

Also, homosexuality isn't completely lust; it applies to sexual attraction as well as emotional attraction, except in this case it's to the same gender instead of opposite.


Anyway, I think it should be legal. There's a reason we have civil "marriages"; if it were simply a religious ceremony, we wouldn't have the word "marriage" attached to the government version.

 

[PatrickXD]

The way I see it, the church was wholesomely proven to be a corruptive infuence on the state time and time again in the previous few hundred years. Why they are still so completely linked is a total mystery to me. I'm fine with gay people. As long as it stays indoors, but really that is just the same as everything else isn't it? sure, kiss someone outside but go no farther because that is kind of private, right?

 

[iamthehorde]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

your post is like a fucking dump. you can´t compare people who get harassed for their sexuality to taking dumps! ridiculous.

 

[lenin_117]

The simple truth is- homosexuality is born not chosen.

Arguable. Some would say it about the environment they grew up in etc etc. That homosexuality is born is not a simple truth or self-evident.

Well, all research that I've seen come out from geneticists and such since... well since I've been alive points to it being a born trait

Pics or it didn't happen... by which I mean, link me that. Or any respectable science community finding the gay gene.

 

[Dioxide20]

Only thing I feel like saying to be honest is "The Fall of Rome."

Sigh... so true. It's unfortunate that history may repeat itself.

It's unfortunate you obviously have little knowledge of the history that you are apparently so afraid of.
It took almost one thousand years for Rome to fall, and another thousand after that for the last remnants of it to be conquered. The US has only existed as an independent country for 233 years, has been a world power for less than half of that, and has only been a dominant superpower for the last 60 years. That'd barely be take up a footnote on the pages of human history.
It's also widely accepted that Rome's downfall had more to do with the consolidation of power by military leaders and a succession of horribly inept emperors that eroded the power of the Senate, causing the people to lose their confidence in the strength and integrity of their government. The Western Roman Empire was actually brought down when its own military turned against it.
The assertion that homosexuality or social progression in any way contributed to the downfall of an entire Empire is patently absurd, and is at best disingenuous. It has been well documented that homosexuality was common and socially accepted long before the Roman Empire was even founded. If Rome fell on account of it catching a big ol' case of The Gay, it sure took a while to kick in.
It's a little more telling that it took less than a century after Christianity was adopted as the religion recognized by the state for Rome to collapse, especially considering that adoption resulted in sanctioned persecution of the remaining more socially tolerant, polytheistic religions.

I never said that the US would fall in tomorrow. I simply said that it seems that we are following the same path as Rome, and that will probably end the same way.

 

['Stache]

I believe that in a free country the majority should not be able to vote down the rights of a minority. That's how the oppression of racial minorities and women happened.

Interesting. Because I believe that in a free country, the will of the people is sacrosanct and inviolable. I would much rather be oppressed by the majority than by a small group of people who think they know what's best for me.

Noones trying to tell you what's best for YOU. They're trying to supply equal rights for everyone.

Except voters, apparently.
What part of "inviolable" do you not understand?

The part where the will of the people became so damn sarcosanct. There's nothing sacred about a majority. They're just a bunch of people who happen to agree with each other on one issue. Liberty, Equality and Fraternity - the foundations of any free state - are not built on the invioable will of some amphormous mass. They are built on the rights of each and every damn individual, by god, and if you cannot see the injustice in this I truly despair.

If only we could all line up like good little sheep and blindly accept the definition of "freedom" that gets handed out by people like you.
Forcing any ideology on an unwilling people, no matter how pretty it is, is just as bad as when the Church of England tried to force Christianity on the populace (and just as futile).

 

[cobra_ky]

*snip*

Yeah I just thought of that angle while I was making breakfast. So you are correct. It is unconstitutional. However a quick word change to civil union and they are back in business.

Also just on the issue of the constitution in general. Isn't this the same piece of paper that is up to its like 27th amendment? That is 27 corrections because the constitution was wrong. The same thing that allows americans access to firearms they are not competent enough to be trusted with and used to allow slavery as rule #13 and prohibited the sale of alcohol.
I think it is about time that old piece of paper gets recycled because if all these things that were once considered unconstitutional have been fixed then perhaps it is a waste of time. Those laws are not infallible. Perhaps being unconstitutional is sometimes right.

the purpose of the amendment process is that the Founding fathers realized that the country would change over time, and therefore the Constitution needed to be a living document that could adapt to changes in the beliefs of the american people. America will probably only have a Constitutional Convention if our current form of government failed catastrophically on a number of levels. Otherwise the amendment process is suitable to correct specific issues.

though if the Constitution is out of date, maybe it's time our definition of marriage changed too?

 

[cobra_ky]

Love is not sexual. I love my brother, but I am not gay. I would not marry him. Homosexuality has nothing to do with love; it is a sexual attraction, a.k.a. lust.

Sorry for the disjointed comments. I am a little tired.

THANK YOU.

It delights me when someone realizes that. Sometimes I want to ask others if they know any Greek, because Greek has several different words for 'love', such as brotherly love, sexual love, the love between a husband and wife, and friendship love. There's a good reason for that. Not all love is sexual. I feel sad for people that believe that it is.

We forgive you.

i feel sad for people who believe two husbands can't love each other the same way a husband and wife do. homosexuality has EVERYTHING to do with love.