Poll: Gay Marriage

[Jindrak]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

That's just a horrible analogy.

 

[Lightnr]

You also must understand that these people attempting to push homosexuality onto others are a minority in the homosexual community. Judging the many by those few is akin to me judging all Christians by the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church (the God kills Soldiers because America likes Gays brigade).

You are totally right, but like I said I have no problem with gay people - I have gay friends - I just don't get THOSE gay people who sadly get all the media attention.

 

[Lightnr]

That's just a horrible analogy.

But it was funny.... confess!

 

[axia777]

Legal. It is just like normal straight marriage what ever people want to say. They have as much right to be happy, miserable, and possibly divorced just like the rest of us. That is all I will say on the matter.

 

[Jindrak]

You also must understand that these people attempting to push homosexuality onto others are a minority in the homosexual community. Judging the many by those few is akin to me judging all Christians by the actions of the Westboro Baptist Church (the God kills Soldiers because America likes Gays brigade).

You are totally right, but like I said I have no problem with gay people - I have gay friends - I just don't get THOSE gay people who sadly get all the media attention.

Those who scream the loudest get the most attention. Sadly, the most insane are also the loudest. Fox loves putting pictures of the crazy homosexuals on TV, but watching their coverage of legal state marriages was hilarious, because instead of people in flamingo costumes it was people in suits and ties/wedding gowns. They actually reverted back to old footage just to show the type of gays that upsets its viewership.

 

[Sark]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

That's just a horrible analogy.

Total freedom results in anarchy. Should you be allowed to do something because you want to and not being allowed infringes on your "freedom"? Also, your analogy is worthy of a cookie.

The law is defined by the majority as well as what is morally acceptable of society. The reason there is no gay marriage is because many view it as morally abhorrant.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

I believe that there should not be gay marriage. While I am one to say that it is not acceptable to sanction the law according to religion, I am also one to say that the integrity of things should be preserved. I have nothing against homosexuals, but marriage is a religious practice, and it should be between a man and a woman. If it were between a man and a man (or a woman and a woman) than it is not really marriage.
But homosexuals DO have a right to be together, and to raise families, and have all the rights and protections that a marriage brings, which is why I support civil union laws.

While I see no reason to call it something different for gays than for straight people- I suppose I shouldn't quibble over details with someone who, for all practical purposes, is on my side of an issue.

 

[MajoraPersona]

Getting married is for people who can have babies.

Seriously. What's the point of staying together for the kids if there are no kids?

Marriage is two or more people gathering resources and being treated as one entity within society. Love should not be the driving force behind it. If two people want to live together, I don't understand where there's an issue.

 

[Branovices]

I believe that there should not be gay marriage. While I am one to say that it is not acceptable to sanction the law according to religion, I am also one to say that the integrity of things should be preserved. I have nothing against homosexuals, but marriage is a religious practice, and it should be between a man and a woman. If it were between a man and a man (or a woman and a woman) than it is not really marriage.
But homosexuals DO have a right to be together, and to raise families, and have all the rights and protections that a marriage brings, which is why I support civil union laws.

Marriage is not a religious practice. Marriage existed before Christianity even existed, and even centuries after Christianity was the dominate religion of Europe it was considered a private matter or one of the state. Of course you would want God to bless your marriage but it was not considered a religious institution. In the purest sense all that is required for a spiritual marriage is for two people to stand and vow their love to one another. It is the legal status that is in question.

It is perfectly acceptable today to be married in a court house by a judge because marriage is a LEGAL institution, not a religious institution that requires a clergyman. As such I don't see why it is unacceptable for two people of the same gender to be married, especially when the "ceremony" is performed by a judge.

 

[Jindrak]

Total freedom results in anarchy. Should you be allowed to do something because you want to and not being allowed infringes on your "freedom"? Also, your analogy is worthy of a cookie.

The law is defined by the majority as well as what is morally acceptable of society. The reason there is no gay marriage is because many view it as morally abhorrant.

As mixed-race marriage was viewed not too long ago.

 

[Thaius]

Here's my issue. The United States was founded on the principals that people can do whatever they want: illegality starts when someone's actions can somehow harm another person (though many laws, such as helmet and seat belt laws, now violate this basic principle). Following this logic, it would seem at the surface level that gay marriage should be allowed. I personally have something against homosexuality on moral grounds, but please spare the anti-religion, "you're-so-intolerant" crap: I don't have anything against gays or lesbians, I simply disagree with their lifestyle. But I do know that this country was formed so people would not have to conform to a particular worldview, so if they want to live that life, I'm fine with that.

Issue is, there are still plenty of people who don't agree with it. I know a lot of people, myself included, who would not want homosexuality to be taught as normal to my children all their life: many, many cases have already proven that it is next to impossible to raise someone one way when all of society is strongly (and in many cases, hatefully) pushing in the other direction.

So personally, my problem with the legalization of gay marriage has nothing to do with whether or not gay people should be together: rather, it has to do with the unquestioning (which eventually leads to forceful, as we've seen in societies past and even that of the current United States) acceptance of it by society as a whole.

But I will not deny that it is inevitable: out society is drifting away from its roots, which is good in some cases, but bad in most. So we'll soon enough see how a society with absolute freedom works out. My comment on that is simple: Rapture (referring to the city in Bioshock).

 

[Jindrak]

Getting married is for people who can have babies.

Seriously. What's the point of staying together for the kids if there are no kids?

Marriage is two or more people gathering resources and being treated as one entity within society. Love should not be the driving force behind it. If two people want to live together, I don't understand where there's an issue.

Ah, so you're in favor of banning impotent people from getting married, good to know.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

The difference is this.

Gays do not have sex in the public eye (well, I guess sometimes they do- but those are arrested as they should be for public fornication).

Taking a crap in public disturbs actually effects others (indecent exposer, unsanitary, smells bad).

 

[Lightnr]

I say fine but call it "Garriage" and don't involve any religious settings or books, use the book of Gayness instead of the Bible, and as Scion commercials tell us: "Don't be afraid to be different" - like look if you see an Arab a Hindu and a Christian wedding they are all totally different correct? so wtf is up with the gay marriage being a ripoff of one of them?!

 

[MatumbeJack]

I believe that there should not be gay marriage. While I am one to say that it is not acceptable to sanction the law according to religion, I am also one to say that the integrity of things should be preserved. I have nothing against homosexuals, but marriage is a religious practice, and it should be between a man and a woman. If it were between a man and a man (or a woman and a woman) than it is not really marriage.
But homosexuals DO have a right to be together, and to raise families, and have all the rights and protections that a marriage brings, which is why I support civil union laws.

Allowing homosexuals equal opportunity in respect to marriage upsets its "integrity?"

 

[Ninja_X]

I would like to hear your stances and your points supporting your stances.

I am personally for It's legalization for the following reasons:

I believe Church and State should be separated.

I agree with everything else except what I quoted here.

Marriage has NOTHING to do with church. People have non Christian weddings all the time. People get married by justices with no bible in sight.

I'm atheist so I take offence to you implying that marriage is tied to the church somehow. the right to be married isn't "god given" anyone can get married.

Also, the government issues marriage licences in America. Not the church.

MARRIAGE IS NOT A RELIGIOUS PRACTICE.

As for the topic I think homosexuals should be able to get married.

But if someone doesn't want to marry a gay couple the government shouldn't make them.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

I say fine but call it "Garriage" and don't involve any religious settings or books, use the book of Gayness instead of the Bible, and as Scion commercials tell us: "Don't be afraid to be different" - like look if you see an Arab a Hindu and a Christian wedding they are all totally different correct? so wtf is up with the gay marriage being a ripoff of one of them?!

Ok, so I'm a bit confused but I think you're in support of gays right?

Sorry, I'm thick

 

[Jindrak]

I say fine but call it "Garriage" and don't involve any religious settings or books, use the book of Gayness instead of the Bible, and as Scion commercials tell us: "Don't be afraid to be different" - like look if you see an Arab a Hindu and a Christian wedding they are all totally different correct? so wtf is up with the gay marriage being a ripoff of one of them?!

This is the most hilarious post in this thread so far. Christianity itself is a ripoff of the Greek Mythology in most respects. The marriage ceremony was stolen from previous religions, as were a number of other "traditions."

 

[Lightnr]

USE IMAGINATION PEOPLE! if your gay it doesn't mean your daft... sheesh... and I thought gay people were supposed to be MORE creative...