Poll: Gay Marriage

[Thaius]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

 

[Lightnr]

It will, however, lead to people who are gay not having to hide themselves from the world. If they can accept themselves, everyone will be happier.

(in a stewie voice that is raising in pitch):
dont you think ummmm that you uhhh do a bit more than give an an alternative? That you uhhh might uhhh give them a gentle gay nudge in a certain gay direction? maybe uhhh pushing an agenda forward hum?? A uhhhh slight gay persuasion hmm?

Yea I thought you did.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

The difference is this.

Gays do not have sex in the public eye (well, I guess sometimes they do- but those are arrested as they should be for public fornication).

Taking a crap in public disturbs actually effects others (indecent exposer, unsanitary, smells bad).

Actually, as I illustrated in my previous post, it will affect others. Not in the same way, of course, but that's why it's an analogy: it's not the same, it's simply similar in application and concept.

How would it effect others. I fail to see that illustrated in the post that I quoted. I may have missed another post in which you laid out your argument- but I didn't see it either way.

Check out what I wrote earlier. Societal acceptance of anything affects others. Look at evolution: regardless of your stance on whether or not it is true, it has unquestionably become something that is forced on people, in that it and it alone is required to learn in school and you are ridiculed and persecuted if you do not believe it. This is how these things always turn out.

Evolution is taught instead of creationism for similar reasons as to why we don't teach the viewpoint that the earth is flat or that the universe is geocentric.

One is science. One isn't. There's nothing wrong with believing creationism. But it's religion and therefore isn't taught because of separation of church and state.

I, myself, would be happy to eventually live in a world were everyone tolerates everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion- whatever. I doubt that will happen though.

 

[Jindrak]

It will, however, lead to people who are gay not having to hide themselves from the world. If they can accept themselves, everyone will be happier.

(in a stewie voice that is raising in pitch):
dont you think ummmm that you uhhh do a bit more than give an an alternative? That you uhhh might uhhh give them a gentle gay nudge in a certain gay direction? maybe uhhh pushing an agenda forward hum?? A uhhhh slight gay persuasion hmm?

Yea I thought you did.

New research into the human genome is now supporting the theory that there is a biological component to homosexuality. The most likely culprit is a DNA sequence during the maturation of the fetus in the womb becoming conflicted and wiring the brain of the fetus incorrectly, forcing it to be attracted to the same gender instead of the opposite. I'm confident that within the next fifty years we will know, without a shadow of a doubt, exactly what causes homosexuality. Then we have to deal with the whack-jobs trying to fix it, but that's for another discussion.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

It will, however, lead to people who are gay not having to hide themselves from the world. If they can accept themselves, everyone will be happier.

(in a stewie voice that is raising in pitch):
dont you think ummmm that you uhhh do a bit more than give an an alternative? That you uhhh might uhhh give them a gentle gay nudge in a certain gay direction? maybe uhhh pushing an agenda forward hum?? A uhhhh slight gay persuasion hmm?

Yea I thought you did.

Legalizing gay marriage will not make anyone gay because homosexuality is a BORN trait not a learned one.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

I do believe that's what he did.

 

[Ninja_X]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

I do believe that's what he did.

Indeed he did.

 

[MatumbeJack]

Don't care about gay people or their problems

The whole point of marriage is to have children so you can pass the best genes to the next generation.

I think your mistaking 'marriage' with 'Darwinian evolution.'

Honest mistake.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

The only concern I have is something they were considering here in Canada. Making it unlawful for a pastor/priest to refuse to marry a gay couple if it went against his/her beliefs. You can't compromise one person's beliefs to support another's.

Exactly, respect everyone. Is that so hard?[/quote]

Exactly, peace and love all around!

Like John Lennon, or Martin Luther King Jr..... or Jesus for that matter.

 

[Thaius]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

The difference is this.

Gays do not have sex in the public eye (well, I guess sometimes they do- but those are arrested as they should be for public fornication).

Taking a crap in public disturbs actually effects others (indecent exposer, unsanitary, smells bad).

Actually, as I illustrated in my previous post, it will affect others. Not in the same way, of course, but that's why it's an analogy: it's not the same, it's simply similar in application and concept.

How would it effect others. I fail to see that illustrated in the post that I quoted. I may have missed another post in which you laid out your argument- but I didn't see it either way.

Check out what I wrote earlier. Societal acceptance of anything affects others. Look at evolution: regardless of your stance on whether or not it is true, it has unquestionably become something that is forced on people, in that it and it alone is required to learn in school and you are ridiculed and persecuted if you do not believe it. This is how these things always turn out.

Evolution is taught instead of creationism for similar reasons as to why we don't teach the viewpoint that the earth is flat or that the universe is geocentric.

One is science. One isn't. There's nothing wrong with believing creationism. But it's religion and therefore isn't taught because of separation of church and state.

I, myself, would be happy to eventually live in a world were everyone tolerates everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion- whatever. I doubt that will happen though.

That was exactly what I was hoping to avoid: not because I'm not willing to discuss it, but because it's off-topic. But suffice it to say that separation of church and state is a good concept that has been twisted from its original purpose in order to effectively remove the church not just from government, but from the entire society.

Point is, the analogy was meant to say that once a concept is socially accepted, it is forced as the only way of thinking: for instance, if it is socially accepted that gay marriage is no different from heterosexual marriage, those who believe otherwise will be looked down upon (as you can already see on this thread) and their viewpoint will be effectively ignored, something I believe is not a sign of a healthy society.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

I do believe that's what he did.

Indeed he did.

How charming.

 

[Ninja_X]

Don't care about gay people or their problems

The whole point of marriage is to have children so you can pass the best genes to the next generation.

I think your mistaking 'marriage' with 'Darwinian evolution.'

Honest mistake.

Yhea marriage has nothing to do with genes.

 

[Thaius]

And for the record, homosexuality is a choice. The idea of it being somehow inborn is simply an excuse people made up to justify it.

 

[Ninja_X]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

I do believe that's what he did.

Indeed he did.

How charming.

Yes quite.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

The difference is this.

Gays do not have sex in the public eye (well, I guess sometimes they do- but those are arrested as they should be for public fornication).

Taking a crap in public disturbs actually effects others (indecent exposer, unsanitary, smells bad).

Actually, as I illustrated in my previous post, it will affect others. Not in the same way, of course, but that's why it's an analogy: it's not the same, it's simply similar in application and concept.

How would it effect others. I fail to see that illustrated in the post that I quoted. I may have missed another post in which you laid out your argument- but I didn't see it either way.

Check out what I wrote earlier. Societal acceptance of anything affects others. Look at evolution: regardless of your stance on whether or not it is true, it has unquestionably become something that is forced on people, in that it and it alone is required to learn in school and you are ridiculed and persecuted if you do not believe it. This is how these things always turn out.

Evolution is taught instead of creationism for similar reasons as to why we don't teach the viewpoint that the earth is flat or that the universe is geocentric.

One is science. One isn't. There's nothing wrong with believing creationism. But it's religion and therefore isn't taught because of separation of church and state.

I, myself, would be happy to eventually live in a world were everyone tolerates everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion- whatever. I doubt that will happen though.

That was exactly what I was hoping to avoid: not because I'm not willing to discuss it, but because it's off-topic. But suffice it to say that separation of church and state is a good concept that has been twisted from its original purpose in order to effectively remove the church not just from government, but from the entire society.

Point is, the analogy was meant to say that once a concept is socially accepted, it is forced as the only way of thinking: for instance, if it is socially accepted that gay marriage is no different from heterosexual marriage, those who believe otherwise will be looked down upon (as you can already see on this thread) and their viewpoint will be effectively ignored, something I believe is not a sign of a healthy society.

I guess you do make a good point. While I disagree with you I do believe your opinion should be considered. Everyone has something to bring to the table.

 

[Jindrak]

And for the record, homosexuality is a choice. The idea of it being somehow inborn is simply an excuse people made up to justify it.

Shazam.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...s-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

I do believe that's what he did.

Indeed he did.

How charming.

Yes quite.

Yep

*blows bubbles out of pipe*

 

[Shapsters]

To be honest, this thread will go no-where new and will give you the same insight as all of the other threads about this. People on the Escapist are all fine with gay marriage, yes gays should be allowed to marry, no the country has no right to tell them they can't and yes religion does get in the way as silly as it may be.

Did you seriously just try to quell a discussion by essentially saying "I'm right, everyone else here agrees with me, so why talk about it?"

Hhmm...*re-reads post*

Nope, no I don't think so... I can check again if you want. I do believe what I was implying was that this has been discussed many, many times and creating a new thread will merely get the same results as all of the other threads. Sort of a 'This has been done before' but a little more subtle.

That answer your question good sir?

 

[Thaius]

To illustrate my point better:
Say I am a new breed of many people that like to take dumps outdoors. The police catch me and fine me and beat me up. I lobby and get rights and now am free to take dumps in the outdoors. However now I am not satisfied and I continue to pursue my cause. I want to be able to take dumps not just in the woods but were other people who are not like me gather, say public transport. Are people ok to be against that? Will I be "free" enough only when I am able to take a dump on the president's desk without anyone saying anything?

The difference is this.

Gays do not have sex in the public eye (well, I guess sometimes they do- but those are arrested as they should be for public fornication).

Taking a crap in public disturbs actually effects others (indecent exposer, unsanitary, smells bad).

Actually, as I illustrated in my previous post, it will affect others. Not in the same way, of course, but that's why it's an analogy: it's not the same, it's simply similar in application and concept.

How would it effect others. I fail to see that illustrated in the post that I quoted. I may have missed another post in which you laid out your argument- but I didn't see it either way.

Check out what I wrote earlier. Societal acceptance of anything affects others. Look at evolution: regardless of your stance on whether or not it is true, it has unquestionably become something that is forced on people, in that it and it alone is required to learn in school and you are ridiculed and persecuted if you do not believe it. This is how these things always turn out.

Evolution is taught instead of creationism for similar reasons as to why we don't teach the viewpoint that the earth is flat or that the universe is geocentric.

One is science. One isn't. There's nothing wrong with believing creationism. But it's religion and therefore isn't taught because of separation of church and state.

I, myself, would be happy to eventually live in a world were everyone tolerates everyone regardless of race, gender, sexual orientation, religion- whatever. I doubt that will happen though.

That was exactly what I was hoping to avoid: not because I'm not willing to discuss it, but because it's off-topic. But suffice it to say that separation of church and state is a good concept that has been twisted from its original purpose in order to effectively remove the church not just from government, but from the entire society.

Point is, the analogy was meant to say that once a concept is socially accepted, it is forced as the only way of thinking: for instance, if it is socially accepted that gay marriage is no different from heterosexual marriage, those who believe otherwise will be looked down upon (as you can already see on this thread) and their viewpoint will be effectively ignored, something I believe is not a sign of a healthy society.

I guess you do make a good point. While I disagree with you I do believe your opinion should be considered. Everyone has something to bring to the table.

Okay, the respectfulness and calmness displayed in that answer says a lot. Thanks for not being the same as most of the other idiots on the internet.

 

[2012 Wont Happen]

And for the record, homosexuality is a choice. The idea of it being somehow inborn is simply an excuse people made up to justify it.

Shazam.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/h...s-inherited-through-mens-mothers-1485079.html

Thanks for posting this link.

However, I doubt it will do any good. Science and research is ignored frequently. Maybe it will help change someones mind though.