Poll: Girls (or otherwise inclined Guys) of Escapist: Male body types.

[Olrod]

Zachary Quinto for me!

Tasty noms!

 

[CrystalShadow]

I'm attracted more towards the girlier guys (build wise, not personality) and I also LOOVE traps O_O that would be an amazing relationship me thinks.

Traps as in

Spoiler

?

Also "masochistic alignsw" Is Captcha trying to tell me something?

Spoiler: no no, traps like her

Ahhh I see, still not sure how she is a trap but i see what you are going for

the original design document had her as female, but the designers didn't think that would go over well in the U.S. (they thought hitting women would cause giant media scandal) so they made him a crossdresser, didn't change the art though, so we get a hella sweet trap (somehow ignoring normal gender roles was supposed to go over better?)

...

Right...

I was curious what you meant by that, and I'm afraid I was right.

It's unfortunate though that being considered a 'trap' is seriously insulting to those of us it technically applies to...

(Also, poison has variously been attributed as being female, a crossdresser, a transsexual, and the Japanese term 'newhalf'... Given that these are all distinct things with their own issues andcircumstances that don't necessarily have much in common... One character being variously considered all of these things shows how little actual awareness there is of the issues involved.
Oh, and you've gotta love the twisted logic that says: "You can't hit women. Oh, it's ok... She's not actually a woman.". Because who cares about the idea of violence directed at a small minority group that suffers above average amounts of harassment and assaults even without extra encouragement...)

Ehm... Wow, that's way too serious. XD

If you'll excuse me, I'll be over there... Trying to blend in with the 'normal' people. ;p

oh dear, you're on the escapist, there are no normal people XD besides the game is from the 80s, you couldn't really expect any other way for such insanity to play out. now, to continue a serious discussion on acceptable nomenclature or not? that is the real question.

XD. Nah, I know not to expect too much from a game from the 80's. Especially one that has the misfortune of being mangled by the cultural sensibilities of multiple countries along the way.

The serious discussion is another thing entirely. XD

I'm not really sure I want to go there right now, but the issue with 'trap' insofar as it applies to my own life is that being a 'trap' implies trickery and deception with the explicit intent to cause some kind of harm to the person/animal/thing that sets off the trap...

I mean, I'm fine with it as a joke to be honest, but it otherwise contributes to the idea that not only am I somehow 'fake', but that the only reason I bother with such 'trickery' is to mislead and harm others.
(Which is very far removed from the reality even if you're talking about crossdressers.)

Anyway...

What was this thread about again? Ooh right. XD

Zachary Quinto for me!

Tasty noms!

Mmm. Yeah, I can see that. XD

(Also, Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom... And eh...)

Actually, that reminds me that this poll makes me want to choose 'none of the above'.

I mean, I'm not particularly attracted to over-weight people. (I'm bisexual, so saying 'people' is rather deliberate), but in general I don't really care much about body-type. (In either sex).

If I really have to be honest about things that I find physically attractive, it's mostly people's faces.

I don't much care if you're skinny or muscular, big or small... But a person's face on the other hand...

 

[Erana]

Healthy, clean, well-groomed.

Really, I don't have a sex drive, so whatever I'd want from a future partner would simply be reflective of good health and lifestyle choices.

 

[CrystalShadow]

I'm attracted more towards the girlier guys (build wise, not personality) and I also LOOVE traps O_O that would be an amazing relationship me thinks.

Traps as in

Spoiler

?

Also "masochistic alignsw" Is Captcha trying to tell me something?

Spoiler: no no, traps like her

Ahhh I see, still not sure how she is a trap but i see what you are going for

the original design document had her as female, but the designers didn't think that would go over well in the U.S. (they thought hitting women would cause giant media scandal) so they made him a crossdresser, didn't change the art though, so we get a hella sweet trap (somehow ignoring normal gender roles was supposed to go over better?)

...

Right...

I was curious what you meant by that, and I'm afraid I was right.

It's unfortunate though that being considered a 'trap' is seriously insulting to those of us it technically applies to...

(Also, poison has variously been attributed as being female, a crossdresser, a transsexual, and the Japanese term 'newhalf'... Given that these are all distinct things with their own issues andcircumstances that don't necessarily have much in common... One character being variously considered all of these things shows how little actual awareness there is of the issues involved.
Oh, and you've gotta love the twisted logic that says: "You can't hit women. Oh, it's ok... She's not actually a woman.". Because who cares about the idea of violence directed at a small minority group that suffers above average amounts of harassment and assaults even without extra encouragement...)

Ehm... Wow, that's way too serious. XD

If you'll excuse me, I'll be over there... Trying to blend in with the 'normal' people. ;p

oh dear, you're on the escapist, there are no normal people XD besides the game is from the 80s, you couldn't really expect any other way for such insanity to play out. now, to continue a serious discussion on acceptable nomenclature or not? that is the real question.

XD. Nah, I know not to expect too much from a game from the 80's. Especially one that has the misfortune of being mangled by the cultural sensibilities of multiple countries along the way.

The serious discussion is another thing entirely. XD

I'm not really sure I want to go there right now, but the issue with 'trap' insofar as it applies to my own life is that being a 'trap' implies trickery and deception with the explicit intent to cause some kind of harm to the person/animal/thing that sets off the trap...

I mean, I'm fine with it as a joke to be honest, but it otherwise contributes to the idea that not only am I somehow 'fake', but that the only reason I bother with such 'trickery' is to mislead and harm others.
(Which is very far removed from the reality even if you're talking about crossdressers.)

Anyway...

What was this thread about again? Ooh right. XD

Zachary Quinto for me!

Tasty noms!

Mmm. Yeah, I can see that. XD

(Also, Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom... And eh...)

Actually, that reminds me that this poll makes me want to choose 'none of the above'.

I mean, I'm not particularly attracted to over-weight people. (I'm bisexual, so saying 'people' is rather deliberate), but in general I don't really care much about body-type. (In either sex).

If I really have to be honest about things that I find physically attractive, it's mostly people's faces.

I don't much care if you're skinny or muscular, big or small... But a person's face on the other hand...

well the term did originate in the homophobic depths of the internet...but I like it XD and the community has latched on to it so I'd personally be more concerned with what the ass holes do than say in this particular situation. there are some "predatory" traps...in porn XD (mmm, delicious pronz XD)

Yes... That's why I'm not too bothered by it in practice unless it's specifically being used in a malicious way. XD

As for porn... Well, a lot of weird things happen in porn. (And anime. - Unsurprisingly, some of the wierdest shit I've ever come across is therefore pornographic anime. XD. Which is just as well, because what little japanese porn I've come across that isn't animated is just plain disturbing. Rape isn't fun to watch when it's too convincing. >_<)

... Hmm... Yes... Speaking of...

Spoiler: This is a good one for making the rest of us feel incredibly jealous

[http://s370.photobucket.com/albums/oo149/KuraIthys/forum%20images/?action=view&amp;current=HIZAKI3.jpg]

Any idea who that is? (And yes, that is a trap. ;p) XD

 

[Timmehexas]

Average guy is always nice, although I go for secret option "personality" then I don't really care what they look like (with the exception of having bad personal hygiene).

Edit: Oh and seeing someone smoking, instant turn-off.

 

[Chemical Alia]

Oh wow, I just googled Michael Cera and realized he's that guy in all those terrible nerd movies. I have trouble grasping how anyone could find that guy attractive, he looks like a wimpy turtle. Maybe it's a generational gap or something, but ew.

 

[Sphinx86]

If you read a slightly later post than the one you quoted (which admittedly only went up very recently ) I do cover another reason why the body-type/breast size analogy is more fitting.

It's never going to be more fitting than a direct body-type analogy. For this reason, it won't ever be an effective analogy for me.

Also, while one has to do the deed (or at least part way) to see a man's size, one can still change to "I'll call you" instead of "Here's my number/Lets do this again" after the deed. It's not like as soon as you see a guys penis you're stuck dating them.

If you read the original thread which made me create this one, even though the question is 'Boob size' a lot of guys commented on the whole body. They like athletically built women with small breats, or hour glass women with medium/large ones. So in a way there is a body-type comparison going on.

Also your point on 'I'll call you' still applies in the opposite direction. You could have a woman with a rocking body, but is just plain bad in bed or there just isn't the chemistry there and decide to not want to do it again. There are plenty of other variables in the deed that can influence the call.

I can see the point if he can't compensate for not fulfilling you, but if everything else was great and you're completely satisfied with his performance, but you're not going to call him just because his dick wasn't perfect, then essentially you're as shallow as any guy who doesn't want to date a 'fat' chick.

 

[Sphinx86]

In another thread talking about what breasts men prefer (see: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.319146-Poll-Okay-fellow-male-escapists-BOOBIES) someone brought up that guys wouldn't like it if women asked a similar question.

Well I actually would like to know. I know that most of my female friends appreciate a ripped guy, but is that what you really want in your guys? Most guys seem to believe that girls only like the 'perfect' body and can cause the same issues as girls have, we (as a gender) just aren't as open about it.

So if the guy was right in every other aspect, what body would you prefer him to have?

I've written this post asking for a female point of view, mostly because that's the way I'm inclined (and partially because it's easier to write these questions across a gender divide) but if any guys want to comment/poll feel free.

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

I'm intrigued by when you've been graded on you genitalia? Admittedly I'm average male size, but usually I find they're more interested in what I'm doing than how big I am.

It's an open secret that guys judge themselves on it, but has a women ever? Anyone out there that can elaborate?

Also look a few post above this for a few reason why I picked body types.

Think of it this way.

MOST men stare at breasts first and then the face and other body later, and so a lot of grading is done on that, the size of the vaginal area is unlikely to be graded and the hair is a second and eyes and body next.

MOST women stare at the body and grade it sure, but while breasts seem to determine sexiness in a man's mind, the only real sexual rating outside of body is the genitalia, and since that is of different sizes and is the thing that determines humilation and confidence between guys, it is also most likely to be the more similar thing to grade on in terms of appearance and function.

Since they also become quite familiar with that more than they will any other part of the body (in most cases) it is also something that will become EXTREMELY graded.

It is more humiliating to a man to grade their genitalia than it is to grade their body. And so... if a woman is humiliated by a breast size grading I would imagine the fair and just thing is to grade genitalia for men.

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As for my body size? It's average with some muscle, and that's what I'd prefer in my friends but also IF I was of a homosexual nature, which I'm not. As for my genitalia? It's about medium with marginally smaller testicles.

You're talking as if boobs are completely separate from the rest of the body. While I agree boobs can take a focus I know a lot of guys that prefer legs or arses. And most of them still rate the body as a whole ie she can have rocking tits/arse/legs/face but its still a whole package deal.

I also know girls that mainly rate a guy on a specific part of the mans body, ie back/chest/arse, so again there is a specific focus going on but most of them still prefer the whole body to be good, as well as the focus.

In some ways your argument seems to come down to 'boobs = sex' and 'penis = sex' therefore 'boobs = penis' but while there are some things that boobs can do during sex ( and I'll admit I really enjoy them) for the most part they are used in the attraction and arousal, not the act itself. To me this is the same as man's body, while portions of it can be used in the act, mostly it's used to attract and arouse.

In other words my view is 'boobs are subset of body', 'body = attractiveness'.

But hey everyone has their own opinion.

 

[Amberella]

I'm attracted to one man and one man only. He has a bit of meat on his bones and muscle. That's what I find sexy and hot.

 

[Delsana]

In another thread talking about what breasts men prefer (see: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.319146-Poll-Okay-fellow-male-escapists-BOOBIES) someone brought up that guys wouldn't like it if women asked a similar question.

Well I actually would like to know. I know that most of my female friends appreciate a ripped guy, but is that what you really want in your guys? Most guys seem to believe that girls only like the 'perfect' body and can cause the same issues as girls have, we (as a gender) just aren't as open about it.

So if the guy was right in every other aspect, what body would you prefer him to have?

I've written this post asking for a female point of view, mostly because that's the way I'm inclined (and partially because it's easier to write these questions across a gender divide) but if any guys want to comment/poll feel free.

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

I'm intrigued by when you've been graded on you genitalia? Admittedly I'm average male size, but usually I find they're more interested in what I'm doing than how big I am.

It's an open secret that guys judge themselves on it, but has a women ever? Anyone out there that can elaborate?

Also look a few post above this for a few reason why I picked body types.

Think of it this way.

MOST men stare at breasts first and then the face and other body later, and so a lot of grading is done on that, the size of the vaginal area is unlikely to be graded and the hair is a second and eyes and body next.

MOST women stare at the body and grade it sure, but while breasts seem to determine sexiness in a man's mind, the only real sexual rating outside of body is the genitalia, and since that is of different sizes and is the thing that determines humilation and confidence between guys, it is also most likely to be the more similar thing to grade on in terms of appearance and function.

Since they also become quite familiar with that more than they will any other part of the body (in most cases) it is also something that will become EXTREMELY graded.

It is more humiliating to a man to grade their genitalia than it is to grade their body. And so... if a woman is humiliated by a breast size grading I would imagine the fair and just thing is to grade genitalia for men.

---

As for my body size? It's average with some muscle, and that's what I'd prefer in my friends but also IF I was of a homosexual nature, which I'm not. As for my genitalia? It's about medium with marginally smaller testicles.

You're talking as if boobs are completely separate from the rest of the body. While I agree boobs can take a focus I know a lot of guys that prefer legs or arses. And most of them still rate the body as a whole ie she can have rocking tits/arse/legs/face but its still a whole package deal.

I also know girls that mainly rate a guy on a specific part of the mans body, ie back/chest/arse, so again there is a specific focus going on but most of them still prefer the whole body to be good, as well as the focus.

In some ways your argument seems to come down to 'boobs = sex' and 'penis = sex' therefore 'boobs = penis' but while there are some things that boobs can do during sex ( and I'll admit I really enjoy them) for the most part they are used in the attraction and arousal, not the act itself. To me this is the same as man's body, while portions of it can be used in the act, mostly it's used to attract and arouse.

In other words my view is 'boobs are subset of body', 'body = attractiveness'.

But hey everyone has their own opinion.

You entirely misunderstand.

It is not that the sexually tantalizing breasts are equalizing to the genitalia of men.

Is it instead the FACT that the breasts are something that men rate that degrades women, based on their breast size, hence why so many feel the need to get implants, and how society emphasizes this in media and in print and in film. As such, the only way to FAIRLY compare how this is being rated is not to say rate men's bodies, but rate the one thing that can degrade them the most as well, which is a sexually considered instrument and which has different sizes, shapes, angles, and variances that men are ashamed of or proud of.

To be fair, you MUST rate the male genitalia if you want to make an equal comparison to rating the female breasts. No other such thing exists between the two that can be so degrading and yet so fulfilling to each person's considerations about themselves, whether they be good or not.

Edit:

College and younger students frequently have charts or scaling systems that rank women, and breasts are always a chief component. If you would ask others to do the individual analysis of a woman by factors such as breasts, and you are told in response that you would not appreciate it if men were ranked in some similar manner, and yet you make a thread about such a thing, the thing that MUST be emphasized is that the "body" is not the primary way a man could be rated and analyzed by a team or individual and actually care about it (much, though different for some people more conscientious), but INSTEAD to focus on the genitalia, something that is very difficult to change (implants do exist though like breasts) and which IS something that is embarrassing and shaming for the vast majority if not all men.

 

[Florion]

I prefer lithe muscles. They're just there to make the arm look elegant and curved; actually, even a six-pack kind of freaks me out, you look like a crustacean for god's sake. Just as long as a guy's stomach looks kind of toned, I think it looks fine.

 

[CrystalShadow]

I'm attracted more towards the girlier guys (build wise, not personality) and I also LOOVE traps O_O that would be an amazing relationship me thinks.

Traps as in

Spoiler

?

Also "masochistic alignsw" Is Captcha trying to tell me something?

Spoiler: no no, traps like her

Ahhh I see, still not sure how she is a trap but i see what you are going for

the original design document had her as female, but the designers didn't think that would go over well in the U.S. (they thought hitting women would cause giant media scandal) so they made him a crossdresser, didn't change the art though, so we get a hella sweet trap (somehow ignoring normal gender roles was supposed to go over better?)

...

Right...

I was curious what you meant by that, and I'm afraid I was right.

It's unfortunate though that being considered a 'trap' is seriously insulting to those of us it technically applies to...

(Also, poison has variously been attributed as being female, a crossdresser, a transsexual, and the Japanese term 'newhalf'... Given that these are all distinct things with their own issues andcircumstances that don't necessarily have much in common... One character being variously considered all of these things shows how little actual awareness there is of the issues involved.
Oh, and you've gotta love the twisted logic that says: "You can't hit women. Oh, it's ok... She's not actually a woman.". Because who cares about the idea of violence directed at a small minority group that suffers above average amounts of harassment and assaults even without extra encouragement...)

Ehm... Wow, that's way too serious. XD

If you'll excuse me, I'll be over there... Trying to blend in with the 'normal' people. ;p

oh dear, you're on the escapist, there are no normal people XD besides the game is from the 80s, you couldn't really expect any other way for such insanity to play out. now, to continue a serious discussion on acceptable nomenclature or not? that is the real question.

XD. Nah, I know not to expect too much from a game from the 80's. Especially one that has the misfortune of being mangled by the cultural sensibilities of multiple countries along the way.

The serious discussion is another thing entirely. XD

I'm not really sure I want to go there right now, but the issue with 'trap' insofar as it applies to my own life is that being a 'trap' implies trickery and deception with the explicit intent to cause some kind of harm to the person/animal/thing that sets off the trap...

I mean, I'm fine with it as a joke to be honest, but it otherwise contributes to the idea that not only am I somehow 'fake', but that the only reason I bother with such 'trickery' is to mislead and harm others.
(Which is very far removed from the reality even if you're talking about crossdressers.)

Anyway...

What was this thread about again? Ooh right. XD

Zachary Quinto for me!

Tasty noms!

Mmm. Yeah, I can see that. XD

(Also, Johnny Depp and Orlando Bloom... And eh...)

Actually, that reminds me that this poll makes me want to choose 'none of the above'.

I mean, I'm not particularly attracted to over-weight people. (I'm bisexual, so saying 'people' is rather deliberate), but in general I don't really care much about body-type. (In either sex).

If I really have to be honest about things that I find physically attractive, it's mostly people's faces.

I don't much care if you're skinny or muscular, big or small... But a person's face on the other hand...

well the term did originate in the homophobic depths of the internet...but I like it XD and the community has latched on to it so I'd personally be more concerned with what the ass holes do than say in this particular situation. there are some "predatory" traps...in porn XD (mmm, delicious pronz XD)

Yes... That's why I'm not too bothered by it in practice unless it's specifically being used in a malicious way. XD

As for porn... Well, a lot of weird things happen in porn. (And anime. - Unsurprisingly, some of the wierdest shit I've ever come across is therefore pornographic anime. XD. Which is just as well, because what little japanese porn I've come across that isn't animated is just plain disturbing. Rape isn't fun to watch when it's too convincing. >_<)

... Hmm... Yes... Speaking of...

Spoiler: This is a good one for making the rest of us feel incredibly jealous

[http://s370.photobucket.com/albums/oo149/KuraIthys/forum%20images/?action=view&amp;current=HIZAKI3.jpg]

Any idea who that is? (And yes, that is a trap. ;p) XD

my god if I didn't wanna rip that off for being incredibly gawdy, I'd wanna rip it off for different reasons XD. man I love this thread XD

XD. The costume there is very deliberate. This is a member of a band, and while he is the most feminine looking (ironic considering the band also contains two women), they all look equally... Dramatic, for lack of a better way of putting it. XD

Anyway, take it from me. Clothes are the easy part of this. XD. Facial features, hair (both that on your head, and body/facial hair), body structure... and uh... other things are usually a much bigger challenge to deal with. (Not to mention mannerisms. There's a very fine line between 'convincing', and 'joke'.)

Then again, careful choice of clothing can help hide things that would otherwise really stand out. XD

 

[Sphinx86]

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

No, because then we guys would shift to vagina shapes/tightness/color and that would get really fucking weird really fucking quick. It would then turn into a never-ending spiral of depravity until a mod locked everything down and sprayed the forums with sulphuric acid to remove the taint.

Lmao brilliant!

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

I still say you haven't proven that is what we are graded on.

You entirely misunderstand.

It is not that the sexually tantalizing breasts are equalizing to the genitalia of men.

Is it instead the FACT that the breasts are something that men rate that degrades women, based on their breast size, hence why so many feel the need to get implants, and how society emphasizes this in media and in print and in film. As such, the only way to FAIRLY compare how this is being rated is not to say rate men's bodies, but rate the one thing that can degrade them the most as well, which is a sexually considered instrument and which has different sizes, shapes, angles, and variances that men are ashamed of or proud of.

To be fair, you MUST rate the male genitalia if you want to make an equal comparison to rating the female breasts. No other such thing exists between the two that can be so degrading and yet so fulfilling to each person's considerations about themselves, whether they be good or not.

Edit:

College and younger students frequently have charts or scaling systems that rank women, and breasts are always a chief component. If you would ask others to do the individual analysis of a woman by factors such as breasts, and you are told in response that you would not appreciate it if men were ranked in some similar manner, and yet you make a thread about such a thing, the thing that MUST be emphasized is that the "body" is not the primary way a man could be rated and analyzed by a team or individual and actually care about it (much, though different for some people more conscientious), but INSTEAD to focus on the genitalia, something that is very difficult to change (implants do exist though like breasts) and which IS something that is embarrassing and shaming for the vast majority if not all men.

I agree that some women feel degraded when men judge them on their physical attractiveness alone - I've read too many articles to state otherwise. I have also known women who *liked* men thinking they were attractive. Actually I'm not sure there is a woman out there who *doesn't* like to be made feel attractive. It just comes down to how guys go about promoting that point. Someone who's wolf-whistling and making crude remakes (ie objectifying) can degrade anybody (even the bloke standing next to them thinking 'why am I friends with you again?'), somebody who's just gob-smacked or makes a polite comment (ie idolizing) - personally thats a different matter. As for your edit on College and younger men with their charts then yes I can see how that would be degrading for most women. I've also known women who again *liked* the attention - its all a manner of personal tastes.

When you read the posts a lot of different views have been put forward regards what is attractive, shouldn't we instead focus on the positive side which is 'See, no matter what you look like you will be attractive to somebody, so don't go nuts about having to be "perfect"'. Not having these open conversations because we are afraid its going to offend some people means that the media presented view is the only one, whereas we've shown that isn't the only view.

In some ways our conversation seems to be drifting towards two blokes making comments about what women feel - which to me is a lot more arrogant or condescending than any conversation about whether someone's hot or not. I for one freely admit that all my points of view are second-hand from my female friends or female written articles, that this can not cover the full cross-section on women out there, and I have no firsthand knowledge of how it feels.

I can say that I started this thread because I truly wanted to know what women thought.

 

[ImperialSunlight]

I am a guy but I'm gay, so... Well, um, I prefer guys who are chubbier. Not so much as fat but a bit chubby. I find it charming, among other things.

 

[Delsana]

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

No, because then we guys would shift to vagina shapes/tightness/color and that would get really fucking weird really fucking quick. It would then turn into a never-ending spiral of depravity until a mod locked everything down and sprayed the forums with sulphuric acid to remove the taint.

Lmao brilliant!

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

I still say you haven't proven that is what we are graded on.

You entirely misunderstand.

It is not that the sexually tantalizing breasts are equalizing to the genitalia of men.

Is it instead the FACT that the breasts are something that men rate that degrades women, based on their breast size, hence why so many feel the need to get implants, and how society emphasizes this in media and in print and in film. As such, the only way to FAIRLY compare how this is being rated is not to say rate men's bodies, but rate the one thing that can degrade them the most as well, which is a sexually considered instrument and which has different sizes, shapes, angles, and variances that men are ashamed of or proud of.

To be fair, you MUST rate the male genitalia if you want to make an equal comparison to rating the female breasts. No other such thing exists between the two that can be so degrading and yet so fulfilling to each person's considerations about themselves, whether they be good or not.

Edit:

College and younger students frequently have charts or scaling systems that rank women, and breasts are always a chief component. If you would ask others to do the individual analysis of a woman by factors such as breasts, and you are told in response that you would not appreciate it if men were ranked in some similar manner, and yet you make a thread about such a thing, the thing that MUST be emphasized is that the "body" is not the primary way a man could be rated and analyzed by a team or individual and actually care about it (much, though different for some people more conscientious), but INSTEAD to focus on the genitalia, something that is very difficult to change (implants do exist though like breasts) and which IS something that is embarrassing and shaming for the vast majority if not all men.

I agree that some women feel degraded when men judge them on their physical attractiveness alone - I've read too many articles to state otherwise. I have also known women who *liked* men thinking they were attractive. Actually I'm not sure there is a woman out there who *doesn't* like to be made feel attractive. It just comes down to how guys go about promoting that point. Someone who's wolf-whistling and making crude remakes (ie objectifying) can degrade anybody (even the bloke standing next to them thinking 'why am I friends with you again?'), somebody who's just gob-smacked or makes a polite comment (ie idolizing) - personally thats a different matter. As for your edit on College and younger men with their charts then yes I can see how that would be degrading for most women. I've also known women who again *liked* the attention - its all a manner of personal tastes.

When you read the posts a lot of different views have been put forward regards what is attractive, shouldn't we instead focus on the positive side which is 'See, no matter what you look like you will be attractive to somebody, so don't go nuts about having to be "perfect"'. Not having these open conversations because we are afraid its going to offend some people means that the media presented view is the only one, whereas we've shown that isn't the only view.

In some ways our conversation seems to be drifting towards two blokes making comments about what women feel - which to me is a lot more arrogant or condescending than any conversation about whether someone's hot or not. I for one freely admit that all my points of view are second-hand from my female friends or female written articles, that this can not cover the full cross-section on women out there, and I have no firsthand knowledge of how it feels.

I can say that I started this thread because I truly wanted to know what women thought.

That's all fine, but remember my point:

If you made a thread about rating breasts and then a woman said that would be insulting if you were rated on something similar, then you have to go the whole nine yards in the similar category and go to the ONLY THING that is universally degrading about men just like breasts are considered universally degrading about women if they feel insulted by it.

So, you need to rate the genitalia.

And if THAT's the case, then my point is made quite clear... that we are actually quite sensitive... we just don't have what we're sensitive about in plain view unless we're naked.

 

[Delsana]

Wouldn't a similar question be more about male genitalia since it's what we're graded more on and is more personal than "body type".

No, because then we guys would shift to vagina shapes/tightness/color and that would get really fucking weird really fucking quick. It would then turn into a never-ending spiral of depravity until a mod locked everything down and sprayed the forums with sulphuric acid to remove the taint.

Are you so sure?

I've never once heard of or about someone caring about how their vaginal area was structured, but I have heard plenty of men be embarrassed and or proud of their penile region and accompanying genitalia.

And... the breasts have gotten the same treatment.

So if we want similarity to what can embarrass us the most...