Poll: Global warming: what are your views?
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Man made global warming is a myth, here is lord monkton on the corren show, Al Gore refuses to debate him http://www.ctstv.com/ontario/player.php?ctsvidID=17081&show=Michael Coren Show. Lord Monkton created a video which completely debunks Al Gores film, it's called Apocolypse? No! here's the link http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5206383248165214524#.
Pffft, welcome to MY world (Edmonton, AB, CAN, -25 degrees celcius, dry).Portal Maniac said:I suppose.Carlston said:The existance of polar ice caps mean we still are in a ice age
But not NEARLY as cold as it was thousands of years ago. THAT wasn't a fun time to be alive T__T
My understanding is that just four degrees would be enough to eventually melt all the ice in the world, returning it to an ice free state for the first time in 16 million years. At that temperature, the permafrost melts, releasing methane which is 20 times as potent a greenhouse gas as CO2. It's been estimated that if it were all magically released right now, it would double the amount of the atmosphere's warming potential. It would be the equivalent of taking the 380 ppm of CO2 in the air now and changing it too 760 ppm. Before the industrial revolution, just 250 years ago, it was 280 ppm. Ocean levels would rise by 200 metres, so while New York might initially be under just 23 feet, eventually it would be much more. And I believe the Amazon rainforest starts (starts, remember) to burn when the earth warms to 2 degrees celcius. This is because the trees themselves contribute significantly to the clouds over them with transpiration. It's basically the trees breathing out, and just like if you breath on you're hand there is moisture on it. The trees moisture plays a huge part in forming the clouds that shield it from the scorching equatorial sun, which turns most equatorial places to a barren, burning desert. With more CO2 in the air, the trees doesn't breath out as much, because it doesn't need to breath in as much to get it's CO2. So the water stays in the roots. I would compare it to being naked in the desert and throwing away the only thing you have to protect you, you're umbrella. There's already enough CO2 in the air to warm the world by 3/4 degree celcius, so it's one quarter to 2 degrees.Asimov said:
So that's my knowledge of the subject, to you anyone else reading this.
Global warming is utter BS. Some of the scientists who started the theory are taking back what they said. Though I will admit we have a pollution problem.
But it's always twisted in these facts everytime funding day comes around. Aids should have wiped out everyone by now, There should not be a living tree on the planet, and global warming should have reached the balmy tempatures of 114 degrees F. 20 years ago all these predictions were made when I was in school, none are true, none are even close to the level of destruction foretold. But all have been "modified" every year to keep in the spot light.
The wonderful thing is the short term disasters that can not be proven I am bashing the hell on here.
H1N1 oh just the flavor of this years flu. It will kill millions, No it will kill was the flu normally kills probley. And if it wipes out a few more, score to nature as that's was sickness does to over populated herds. I'm just jaded of the entire scam anymore.[/quote]
I'm writing a 3rd year essay on ENSO, and I can tell you you've got your story mixed up.
Governments and media want to put forward doomsday scenarios for votes and cash.
Science does not record very specific events. In fact, it doesn't record events at all. Look at cores for example. The ones I've been studying record the change in delta 18O in coral. That's not an event. But when you use other data sources etc, you can infer a meaning behind the chemical compositions of things.
Global warming does exist. Fact - the world is getting hotter.
Fact is humans have massively increased CO2 in the world - look at the increase in delta 13 C, something only humans could have done and it begins to spike at the beginning of the industrial revolution.
What we don't know are the effects of global warming. They could be minor, they could be disastrous - we just don't know, but something f**ked up is going on. If you want to argue that point, I'm sure your paper will win you a Nobel prize or at the very least a few pages in Science.[/quote]
Someone sounding a bit bitter eh? Nah you do your finals, i'm happy being retired at 34. And as far as a Noble prize, like global warming it's also a joke. To win one I only have to inspire hope and have a certain skin color. But the question really is, how do you fix it?
More wars, less people maybe?
The wonderful thing is the short term disasters that can not be proven I am bashing the hell on here.
H1N1 oh just the flavor of this years flu. It will kill millions, No it will kill was the flu normally kills probley. And if it wipes out a few more, score to nature as that's was sickness does to over populated herds. I'm just jaded of the entire scam anymore.[/quote]
I'm writing a 3rd year essay on ENSO, and I can tell you you've got your story mixed up.
Governments and media want to put forward doomsday scenarios for votes and cash.
Science does not record very specific events. In fact, it doesn't record events at all. Look at cores for example. The ones I've been studying record the change in delta 18O in coral. That's not an event. But when you use other data sources etc, you can infer a meaning behind the chemical compositions of things.
Global warming does exist. Fact - the world is getting hotter.
Fact is humans have massively increased CO2 in the world - look at the increase in delta 13 C, something only humans could have done and it begins to spike at the beginning of the industrial revolution.
What we don't know are the effects of global warming. They could be minor, they could be disastrous - we just don't know, but something f**ked up is going on. If you want to argue that point, I'm sure your paper will win you a Nobel prize or at the very least a few pages in Science.[/quote]
Someone sounding a bit bitter eh? Nah you do your finals, i'm happy being retired at 34. And as far as a Noble prize, like global warming it's also a joke. To win one I only have to inspire hope and have a certain skin color. But the question really is, how do you fix it?
More wars, less people maybe?
Here's my view.
God gave us dominion over the earth, meaning, we're supposed to take care of it and use it as we see fit while still taking care of it. (For example, farm rotating.)
We haven't been. Look at Yellowstone compared to Europe's Black Forest.
It would be ludicrous to think that everything would remain hunky dory if we don't maintain it. A house is going to fall apart over time if you don't keep the termites out and fix that broken window.
God gave us dominion over the earth, meaning, we're supposed to take care of it and use it as we see fit while still taking care of it. (For example, farm rotating.)
We haven't been. Look at Yellowstone compared to Europe's Black Forest.
It would be ludicrous to think that everything would remain hunky dory if we don't maintain it. A house is going to fall apart over time if you don't keep the termites out and fix that broken window.
sokka14 said:
Thank god there are still a few people still left on the net who aren't total sheep. I thought for a minute I was alone.Entreri481 said:
And to those who think we impact the environment in any significant way, I have news for you:
WE DON'T. Your puny SUV barely puts out enough carbon emissions to match the lifespan of a large dog. Volcanoes put out FAR more soot, ash, and "deadly deadly greenhouse gasses" than China ever has. In fact, there was some volcanic activity around the Mt. St. Hellenes area (I can't remember exactly how long ago, but it was fairly recent). The Hawaiian Islands contain active volcanoes that are erupting as we speak!
And to those of you who think we're killing the polar bears? The Tundra is melting? No, no it's not. We started monitoring the ice caps in the 70's. Unfortunately, there seems to have been a little mistake in the visibility and idiots started screaming and shouting that all the wildlife has started to go extinct.
Nevermind the fact that polar bears are thriving and their populations have gone from about 3,000 to over 35,000 over the last decade. And, as Sokka said, there hasn't been any recorded cooling in the last 20 years. No, we haven't been getting warmer, we've only cooled. Huston, TX is expected (as of this post) to receive snowfall for the first time since 1973. We also can't forget the leaked emails that pretty plainly talk about how it's all a scam being sent to "Top Global Warming Officials."
So as far as I know, global warming =/= cooling.
Therefore, hoax. If you want more proof, Google is your friend.
Always have and always will believe it is bullshit. Something about the ice age they said would happen in the 70's, it snowing in Baghdad for the first time in like 80+ years, and having some of the coldest month's on record just add to it. Plus, all the people at my school that argue with me that there was global warming were complete morons. "Global warming causes harsher summers and winters." If it gets a lot colder, that isn't global WARMING. Now they call it "climate change", which to me implies that at one point the climate wasn't changing. Also, I've also heard that science has proved that the earth goes in cycles of warmer and colder then normal.
I find that a little weird, and all the "Jesus is the lord of the earth" songs. I read some interpretation of the bible saying that Satan was the lord of the earth.Lady Nilstria said:
I think that there are natural fluctuations in climate patterns over time (Ice ages etc...), but I also think that people can put things into the environment like harmful gasses that effect the environment for the long term.
Moral of the story: nothing lasts forever and take care of what you got!
Moral of the story: nothing lasts forever and take care of what you got!
Since global warming has pretty much been proven false and the factI know lots of biologist and geologists who say that it's bullshit, I'll stand on the "It's a pile of bullshit" side.
Honestly I was a lot more worried about it a few months ago than I am today. After those emails got leaked it really got me thinking. I am all for reducing emissions and pollution but honestly I bet the rain forests were destroyed during the ice age also. I mean shit happens, then other shit happens, then we are right back where we were 50,000 years ago. I think we should be more careful but I don't think it is the huge matter people make it out to be.
One of my religious friends (me not believing any of it) told me the story of how Satan became "evil", and honestly, I think he was right in what he did...Carlston said:
No way. The science behind global warming is simply way to shaky, and I believe what has happened is that an initial scientific theory which did have some merit about it as graphs did show a warming trend for the planet has instead been used as a scare campaign by green groups, the media and politicians to advance their own agenda. And, because the life blood of scientific research is grant money, those scientists who first proposed the theory now follow it to the letter because that is where the money for their research is coming from. Climate change is a mass scare campaign. It's a shame because the idea behind it is good, to stop polluting the environment and reduce our reliance on things like coal generated electricity and start looking towards renewable sources, but the way it has been marketed is disasterous and the claims of some people who jump on the bandwagon are entirely without evidence and amount to little more than scare-mongering.
There is a lot to be explained about climate change, and I suspect little of it has to do with human activity. Besides, if you'd researched mass extinctions in the past you'll find the five major extinctions that have happened in the Earth's history have all been due to climate change, not one of which has been caused by man. It's a natural phenomenon.
There is a lot to be explained about climate change, and I suspect little of it has to do with human activity. Besides, if you'd researched mass extinctions in the past you'll find the five major extinctions that have happened in the Earth's history have all been due to climate change, not one of which has been caused by man. It's a natural phenomenon.