Poll: GOG , Picking up region priceing - Droping values.

[Stabinbac]

Though I suspect GoG just lost most of it's Australian customers.

The problem isn't GOG losing customers. The problem is Australia's inability to fix their broken shitty system to allow for competition with local distributors.

 

[Arakasi]

GG GOG. What happened to putting your foot down? Are you going to start letting in DRM games just to satisfy big publishers too?

The entire point, if you would bother to read it

No need for the condescension. I don't appreciate the connotation that I would reply to something without knowing the details either.

...is that they're trying to entice SOME publishers to release their products DRM-free. So no, your little slippery-slope fallacy is ridiculous and unfounded.

What I was trying to say there is less of a slippery slope and more pointing out how they've blatantly violated one of their major tenements, fairness to customers. I know they're trying to bring in some new publishers, but they had a policy of not bending for bullshit, and that's what made them great, now they're showing a lot more flexibility than I, and a lot of other people, would like.

OT: The amount of knee-jerk hostility here is both astounding and utterly predictable at the same time.

Ever stop to think that it isn't necessarily knee-jerk but actually thought out? No? I guess its easier to characterise people you disagree with as people who haven't thought out their viewpoint properly.

...I just despise this kind of "I Refuse To Attempt To See Things From Perspectives I Don't Wish To Acknowledge" "I'm Secretly Worst Than Creationists" reaction in general.

Pot, kettle.

 

[lacktheknack]

GG GOG. What happened to putting your foot down? Are you going to start letting in DRM games just to satisfy big publishers too?

The entire point, if you would bother to read it

No need for the condescension. I don't appreciate the connotation that I would reply to something without knowing the details either.

...is that they're trying to entice SOME publishers to release their products DRM-free. So no, your little slippery-slope fallacy is ridiculous and unfounded.

What I was trying to say there is less of a slippery slope and more pointing out how they've blatantly violated one of their major tenements, fairness to customers. I know they're trying to bring in some new publishers, but they had a policy of not bending for bullshit, and that's what made them great, now they're showing a lot more flexibility than I, and a lot of other people, would like.

OT: The amount of knee-jerk hostility here is both astounding and utterly predictable at the same time.

Ever stop to think that it isn't necessarily knee-jerk but actually thought out? No? I guess its easier to characterise people you disagree with as people who haven't thought out their viewpoint properly.

...I just despise this kind of "I Refuse To Attempt To See Things From Perspectives I Don't Wish To Acknowledge" "I'm Secretly Worst Than Creationists" reaction in general.

Pot, kettle.

Nonsense. I've acknowledged this rigid "I Cannot Support You Anymore" sudden switch shit for years, and it only gets more ridiculous over time. They announce disheveled pricing for literally one set of games and now we have people wanting all the money they ever spent back, as if gog.com is now the new evil. You know, as if they're still not better in this regard than literally every other major distributor.

Years have passed and I've had it up to here with this fuckery. It never changes. Good Old Games changes to gog.com, the world ends. gog.com allows for more prices than $5.99 and $3.99 to allow a greater range of upper-end games into the store, and the world ends. They allow a couple publishers with regional pricing in, and the fucking world ends. Again.

Fuck it. I cannot agree that anyone reacting this way has "thought out" their response, or they wouldn't have come crawling back again after their last temper-tantrums from the last set of changes. The internet denizens can only sit in a puddle of their own tears so many times like petulant children before I stop believing they ever have a valid point behind it. They've neutered themselves and all the weight they had to throw.

If you want me to believe that this isn't just ANOTHER "hell-why-not" temper tantrum with no weight beyond being annoying, then people can actually have some balls and STICK with their threats and actually abandon Steam, gog.com, and other distribution services if they're actually doing things you don't like.

They never will, because they never have.

 

[Therumancer]

It's not really GOG's fault, is it?

I mean, they've bitched about having to do this before.
Their hands being tied thanks to the assholes who actually own the IPs.

Actually it sort of is. GOG is becoming big, and selling out. The original point of GOG was for them to go through the trouble of modifying/emulating old titles so they would run on newer systems and could then be re-released. They were filling a niche which was one occupied by Abandonware sites, but was coming under increased fire, as well as hitting the barrier than when you got beyond a certain point the games were just too big to allow an Abandonware site to put them up for free. GOG getting permission and going "legit" allowed them to charge a small amount of money for their work and justify the cost of hosting those games.

As time has gone on GOG's prices have gone up, your seeing far more $10 titles than $6 titles it seems, especially when looking at popular games that they apparently think can sell that high. They have also broadened to becoming an indie and small company distribution service, and have been increasingly interested in simply becoming a general digital platform, which is why things like regional pricing are becoming more of an issue, they are pretty much being forced to act like all the other services they were once compared to, due to by and large becoming those services.

Now yes, I do get the whole thing about GOG being out there to make money, and simply expanding their business in the most profitable directions. However when you consider the name is "Good Old Games" and what they were originally supposed to be doing, and what made them so popular, it becomes increasingly easy to criticize them. GoG could have stayed small, and relatively humble, and continued to serve the niche market it cut out for itself. The guys running it seem to have gotten the bug though, and I'd imagine things are going to just get worse. I'm still waiting for the point where they are going to start selling games with DRM, starting as an "exception" and they spreading to more and more titles, perhaps even at some point requiring their own launcher for products purchased after a certain date. We aren't there yet of course, but it seems to be a classic story of selling out, like we've seen in gaming, movies, music, and everything else out there. The once noble indie artist/provider becomes successful by not being like the big guys, but gets a taste of that success and then morphs into the same people they became popular by opposing, eventually looking down at their fans from atop their piles of money and the mainstream consumer base once they have it and telling the people that made then "we don't owe you anything, stop acting entitled".

 

[loa]

I don't want steams "$=?" shenanigans to infect gog next.
This + steam only offering the regional, censored version of "mature" games with no way of getting the non-violated game unless I jump through hoops and have someone in america gift the darn thing to me made me lose all interest in buying stuff there.

 

[SwagLordYoloson]

I can just buy everything on Kinguin for a cheaper price anyway. Though I suspect GoG just lost most of it's Australian customers.

Holy shit, I could preorder Thief for $32 on Kinguin, looking back at steam who are asking $45, I know who I am going with in the future. Thank you dear poster, you have saved me good money, I hope karma comes back to reward you.

 

[CpT_x_Killsteal]

Though I suspect GoG just lost most of it's Australian customers.

The problem isn't GOG losing customers. The problem is Australia's inability to fix their broken shitty system to allow for competition with local distributors.

Considering the last 6 years has been the systematic fucking of Australia by all of it's political parties, that's unlikely.

 

[Jarulek]

Though I suspect GoG just lost most of it's Australian customers.

The problem isn't GOG losing customers. The problem is Australia's inability to fix their broken shitty system to allow for competition with local distributors.

Wrong, the problem in Australia is all the publishers bending Aussie over a barrel. This has been going on for a while now and its not just games companys that do this, most of the major software companys do as well (Microsoft, Adobe etc.)

 

[RedBackDragon]

Though I suspect GoG just lost most of it's Australian customers.

The problem isn't GOG losing customers. The problem is Australia's inability to fix their broken shitty system to allow for competition with local distributors.

Considering the last 6 years has been the systematic fucking of Australia by all of it's political parties, that's unlikely.

its depressing just thinking about it... but the honest truth is that its not just us (Australians) in this situation , new Zealand has it even worse and Greece has it prety bad to. Though that said maybe we all just have terrible people running our nations.

 

[fix-the-spade]

And this is why hundreds of thousands of people used VPNs to purchase Battlefield 4 from Mexico.

I have to applaud the closed thinking of the publishers, in their race to gouge price they're pushing the prices a lot of gamers actually pay for titles through the floor. Such is the effect that I paid less for BF4 and Premium than I paid for BF3, without using any kind of VPN, buying from a Euro game key store they'd pushed prices right down just to get a look in, I paid a third of what EA wanted.

Continue devaluing yourselves publishers, it's all music to me!

 

[RevRaptor]

I'm from New Zealand, getting screwed over by game prices is nothing new to us.
Ultimately regional pricing just costs sales. The more we feel like publishers are screwing us over the more we look for "other options"

Mostly I only buy games on GoG when they are on sale anyways, its disappointing news but probably wont effect me too much :/

 

[Savryc]

Sooo it's for a handful of newer titles and not the entire library? What's the issue then? Just by those games elsewhere. As long as they remain DRM free I'm struggling to care at all.

I'd ask if the tantrum is really necessary, but then I'm addressing "gamers" on the internet, it's like asking if water is wet.

 

[Arakasi]

GG GOG. What happened to putting your foot down? Are you going to start letting in DRM games just to satisfy big publishers too?

The entire point, if you would bother to read it

No need for the condescension. I don't appreciate the connotation that I would reply to something without knowing the details either.

...is that they're trying to entice SOME publishers to release their products DRM-free. So no, your little slippery-slope fallacy is ridiculous and unfounded.

What I was trying to say there is less of a slippery slope and more pointing out how they've blatantly violated one of their major tenements, fairness to customers. I know they're trying to bring in some new publishers, but they had a policy of not bending for bullshit, and that's what made them great, now they're showing a lot more flexibility than I, and a lot of other people, would like.

OT: The amount of knee-jerk hostility here is both astounding and utterly predictable at the same time.

Ever stop to think that it isn't necessarily knee-jerk but actually thought out? No? I guess its easier to characterise people you disagree with as people who haven't thought out their viewpoint properly.

...I just despise this kind of "I Refuse To Attempt To See Things From Perspectives I Don't Wish To Acknowledge" "I'm Secretly Worst Than Creationists" reaction in general.

Pot, kettle.

Nonsense. I've acknowledged this rigid "I Cannot Support You Anymore" sudden switch shit for years, and it only gets more ridiculous over time. They announce disheveled pricing for literally one set of games and now we have people wanting all the money they ever spent back, as if gog.com is now the new evil. You know, as if they're still not better in this regard than literally every other major distributor.

Gog is hardly the new evil, but it inches closer with every shitty practice they accept for the sake of adding more games.

Years have passed and I've had it up to here with this fuckery. It never changes. Good Old Games changes to gog.com, the world ends.

Never cared about that.

...gog.com allows for more prices than $5.99 and $3.99 to allow a greater range of upper-end games into the store, and the world ends.

Never cared about that.

They allow a couple publishers with regional pricing in, and the fucking world ends. Again.

Do care about that.

Fuck it. I cannot agree that anyone reacting this way has "thought out" their response, or they wouldn't have come crawling back again after their last temper-tantrums from the last set of changes.

I've never been angry at GOG before now.

The internet denizens can only sit in a puddle of their own tears so many times like petulant children before I stop believing they ever have a valid point behind it. They've neutered themselves and all the weight they had to throw.

'We' aren't, and never will be, a collective. How about you try treating the people who have valid points separately from those who will tantrum over something that doesn't hurt the consumer.

If you want me to believe that this isn't just ANOTHER "hell-why-not" temper tantrum with no weight beyond being annoying, then people can actually have some balls and STICK with their threats and actually abandon Steam, gog.com, and other distribution services if they're actually doing things you don't like.

They never will, because they never have.

Once again, not a collective.

 

[lacktheknack]

snip

I'm addressing the internet at large, which DID have collective meltdowns over the previous changes. So, by extension that you're just a dude on the internet, it's pretty easy to group you in and take none of it seriously.

At any rate, sure, be mad at gog over this set of games with regional pricing if you wish. I've calmed down overnight, so I'll give you that. But is it worth ditching the whole service over? If you think so, just remember that you'll get best results from a stubborn mule using a carrot AND a stick. If you only use a stick, then you're an abusive slave-driver.

And ditching the service/wanting all your money back from the service/etc, things proposed in this very thread, is only using a stick.

As the entire gaming sector tends to do.

 

[Magmarock]

Form all the negative feedback GOG more then likely will revert this desiccation and put their foot down.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I never recall the "One Price Worldwide" thing ever being a core principle, just one they preferred to keep going if they could.

yeah gotta say I've never heard this being part of the core beliefs at GoG, just something they've been able to have as a luxury thus far. DRM free has always been their main focus.

However, I don't see why you stop using their service all together rather than simply NOT buying those few games from them and buying the non region priced/drm free ones instead.

I'll be interested to see what games they are that are coming and which publisher signed off on it.

 

[lacktheknack]

I never recall the "One Price Worldwide" thing ever being a core principle, just one they preferred to keep going if they could.

yeah gotta say I've never heard this being part of the core beliefs at GoG, just something they've been able to have as a luxury thus far. DRM free has always been their main focus.

However, I don't see why you stop using their service all together rather than simply NOT buying those few games from them and buying the non region priced/drm free ones instead.

I'll be interested to see what games they are that are coming and which publisher signed off on it.

I gotta say, it'll be utterly baffling if it was EA, seeing how they already have a bunch of stuff on there.

My money is on 2K, actually.

 

[Amaror]

Sooo it's for a handful of newer titles and not the entire library? What's the issue then? Just by those games elsewhere. As long as they remain DRM free I'm struggling to care at all.

I'd ask if the tantrum is really necessary, but then I'm addressing "gamers" on the internet, it's like asking if water is wet.

A reason given on the GoG Forum:
Because how long will it stay "just these few titles".
They showed that they don't stick to their principles and are willing to budge if the big guys just put enough pressure on them, so do you really thing that their other titles are going to stay "one price worldwide" now that they showed that they allow region pricing.

My Opinion:
Personally i just can't accept that they abandoned their principles. It's something i just don't have any respect for. I don't personally care about non - intrusive Drm, so the only reason i ever bought at GoG was, because they seemed like a good company. There are plenty of online shops offering steam keys, that are way cheaper than Gog and Steam itself offers way more convenience and Service than Gog. But i bought from Gog because they seemed like a company that has principles, holds true to this principles and does everything they can to treat their customers with respect.
And they just proved that that isn't true. So that's why i won't buy from GoG anymore.

 

[Cerebrawl]

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I gotta say, it'll be utterly baffling if it was EA, seeing how they already have a bunch of stuff on there.

My money is on 2K, actually.

It's anybody's guess at the moment, but why not for EA based on that? The stuff they do have is old, wouldn't put it past EA to insist on region locks for NEW titles. On the other hand, EA dropping DRM? I doubt it.

2K sounds more likely, just from the DRM angle, maybe even Warner Brothers. But somehow I doubt it's EA, Activision or Ubisoft.

 

[gmaverick019_v1legacy]

I never recall the "One Price Worldwide" thing ever being a core principle, just one they preferred to keep going if they could.

yeah gotta say I've never heard this being part of the core beliefs at GoG, just something they've been able to have as a luxury thus far. DRM free has always been their main focus.

However, I don't see why you stop using their service all together rather than simply NOT buying those few games from them and buying the non region priced/drm free ones instead.

I'll be interested to see what games they are that are coming and which publisher signed off on it.

I gotta say, it'll be utterly baffling if it was EA, seeing how they already have a bunch of stuff on there.

My money is on 2K, actually.

yeah I just can't see EA putting the new stuff on there, origin is already having a tough enough time as it is, that'd be one hell of a nail in the origin coffin.

2K isn't a bad prediction, 2 rpg's and a strategy game typically rules out some devs so 2K would be a good bet.