Poll: Good or Evil?

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Duck Sandwich

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I believe choosing 5 people to save/kill would be the better choice, but I really don't know if it's a choice I'd be able to make. About these "kill innocent people to save more innocent people" choices, some may argue against it, but in the end, you choose between innocent people dying and more innocent people dying. I think choices should be considered right or wrong depending on the effect they have on others, and to some extent, the intentions behind the choice.

For example, I don't believe that lying itself is bad in any circumstance. Say an annoying telemarketer calls, asking for "Mr. or Mrs. Insert Name here." Can anyone really blame you if you say "No, they're not here right now"? In the end, you spared yourself/your parents the hassle of having to hang up at the first mention of "insert useless crap that telemarketers sell here."

In the aforementioned moral dilemma (kill/save people), some may see it better to do nothing, easing their conscience. But sometimes it can be selfish if you're always thinking about YOUR conscience. Ironic, isn't it? In said situations you may have the power to act, and with great power comes great (*gets shot*).

The Golden Rule ("do unto others blah blah blah") can be considered a reason why people do good (they'd want the same thing done for them if they were in need of displays of kindness for others). It seems like a solid moral code to live by. If you do, you ensure that you don't become a hypocrite. The greatest crime one can commit against oneself is to (I'm going to have to disagree with John Galt here) betray one's own principles.

The Golden Rule is all well and good, except when you throw sadomasochists into the mix. They like causing pain and they like receiving pain. Lose/lose situation.



However, in the end, does our supposed choices in said situations really mean much? We've gone far past the days of Hitler's rule, and it's really hard to kick a guy who's fat enough to stop a train off a cliff, let alone said fat guy actually existing, so I don't think we're going to be thrown into such horrible extreme dillemas (dillemae?) like that. Nevertheless, it is an interesting topic to delve into.

Also, hooray for agnosticism.
 

Scolar Visari

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What do people think of Assasian's Creed's whole Templar vs. Assasians thing. Both sides want peace but have two different methods. The Assasians are willing to kill people and let wars rage on in the hope that people will finally accept peace. The Templar's want to create instant peace at the cost of your free will.
 

Larenxis

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Some people could say that, as people with wealth, we are choosing to let people die all over the world by not giving up some cash so that they can have drinking water. It may not be as apparent as a bunch of people getting shot in front of you, but I think everyone's aware that people are dying of entirely preventable reasons and the majority choose inaction.

Easykill: I don't know how easy it is for you to put faith in things, but for me it is hard. When you really have faith in something, it becomes your truth. I haven't been able to make my mind up about a lot of things because I haven't had epiphanies related to them. I have no idea what happens to consciousness after death, but because of my faith, I'm okay with anything. Even if it turns out this is just a phase, believing in a God has only made me a better person, so no harm done. Also, evidence is really a matter of perception.
 

John Galt

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Fire Daemon said:
I never said that you would get to chose who lives and who dies and I never said you get too live. You might end up killing yourself.

personaly i could do it. I couldn't live with myself knowing that I hit the switch or pull the plug or whatever.
In that case I'd still go for option "A" because at least then I get to throw the switch. Either I pull it and 1/2 of everyone dies, or I don't and everyone dies. Somebody might as well pull it, if I die, well then nothing I can do about it. If I live, at least I can say "I saved the rest of yins', so quit'cher bitchin'." in a folksy Southern drawl.

Also, on Larenxis' "evidence is a matter of perception" statement, I feel that your stance is flawed because it claims that there are no objective truths. Granted, perception can influence how you see something, it doesn't change the fact that it is still something. Your feelings will not influence reality unless you translate that emotion into a physical action that is able to change your surroundings. You can 'perceive' an object to be a certain thing but it will not matter outside your own mind. Essentially, A is A and will always be A unless you act to change it.
 

Larenxis

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To John Galt
I was responding to Easykill's statement about having no evidence when it comes to my God. Although you bring up an interesting concept. Other than mathematics and our own existence, what can we be so sure about?

P.S. I realize this is a bit off topic, but philosophy is fun!
 

Easykill

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Larenxis said:
To John Galt
I was responding to Easykill's statement about having no evidence when it comes to my God. Although you bring up an interesting concept. Other than mathematics and our own existence, what can we be so sure about?

P.S. I realize this is a bit off topic, but philosophy is fun!
One of the possibilities I've considered in the past is that existence might not be what we think it is. If a god exists, how would it go about creating us? We can create our own worlds too, but only in our minds. Imagine how boring an eternity would be. I know I would spend most of my time in my head, maybe all we are is the daydream of a being so advanced he can imagine all our thoughts and personalities at once. If that's the case though, it seems like the interesting personalities would be recycled, not the good ones.

I give a 65% chance to there not being a god, and 32% to there being a god who keeps to himself. The three percent left is that there is a god who periodically nudges us in the right direction then backs off, letting us choose whether or not to go the right way, 0.00000000013% chance god takes an active part in everything we do.
 

The Negotiator

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I dunno.

Sometimes I wake up thinking I am a lone soul whose love was consumed at the death of his family and now I have turned into some sort of a preadator with the skills to use any gun,any element,any tactic with a epic war going on between mythological videogame stuff and the only thing going through my head is ( survival ).

I am just like RAMBO, but I have super human abilities relying on pure instinct.

Yes, I know i might frighten some of you but thats your problem, not mine.
 

John Galt

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Just gonna ask you to you know...stay on your side of the internets now...also gonna go lock some doors.
 

The Negotiator

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John Galt said:
Just gonna ask you to you know...stay on your side of the internets now...also gonna go lock some doors.
Haha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! After this post I can't stop laughthing!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

The Negotiator

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I'm getting a little tired of wating for somebody to piss their pants over this so I made up my list.

BTW, I am like RAMBO, but in videogames
 

John Galt

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I hope it's a big list, being at the bottom of the three item list won't buy enough time for the landmines to arrive.
 

PurpleRain

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Things to do:
-Blueberry scones
-Your mother
-Wash the dog
-Learn French
-Invade Poland
-John Galt
 

the_tralfalmadorian

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i can't pretend to know what i would do with that kind of power. I tend to believe i'd help others, but then the power and my already somewhat arrogant personality would lead me to think that I know best. i would probably end up becoming more and more harsh in my search for the "greater good", and eventually the anger of the people i originally intended to help would vex me and i would become more and more malevolent.

so i dunno what i would do, because i would do my best to avoid the above situation, so it's hard to say. i hope i never have total power thrust upon me.


EDIT: oh wow, i didnt read to much of this topic and was unaware this had become what appears to be a flame war. ignore my post and continue.