Poll: gun rights but how much is too much?

[vento 231]

..You're right that a firearm can be near-instantaneous death. The difficulty comes when you have to engage multiple targets, quickly and effectively while differentiating between non-coms and hostiles...

It's easay enough...You just swap to your noob tube and pray that friendly fire isn't on.

Also, i'd agree with the other guy, while i will obviously acknowledge the fact that theres a huge difference between how well peopel shot, and your skills will determine how well you hit, they can sadly not maek up for your opponents skills if theres more of them, or if they shoot first.
Beeing an expert marksman doesn't help you deflect bullets, but beeing an expert swordsman will help you deflect blows.
So in a swordfight, it'll most likely come down to whose best. In a gunfight it'll easily come down to who shotos first, as long as both peopel are skileld enough to hit what they shoot at.

Also, i've never fired a real gun before, so untill i can get real-life aimbot implants, i'll be glad that guns are illegal where i live, seeing as they wouldn't provide any real advantages to me. Too bad swords are illegal as well, 'cept if you have a permit and doesn't bring them outside your house.
How am i supposed to become a good ninja (whhich i'm training for atm) when i can't carry a sword.

Where do you live? Sounds F'ed up 2 me.

 

[teisjm]

..You're right that a firearm can be near-instantaneous death. The difficulty comes when you have to engage multiple targets, quickly and effectively while differentiating between non-coms and hostiles...

It's easay enough...You just swap to your noob tube and pray that friendly fire isn't on.

Also, i'd agree with the other guy, while i will obviously acknowledge the fact that theres a huge difference between how well peopel shot, and your skills will determine how well you hit, they can sadly not maek up for your opponents skills if theres more of them, or if they shoot first.
Beeing an expert marksman doesn't help you deflect bullets, but beeing an expert swordsman will help you deflect blows.
So in a swordfight, it'll most likely come down to whose best. In a gunfight it'll easily come down to who shotos first, as long as both peopel are skileld enough to hit what they shoot at.

Also, i've never fired a real gun before, so untill i can get real-life aimbot implants, i'll be glad that guns are illegal where i live, seeing as they wouldn't provide any real advantages to me. Too bad swords are illegal as well, 'cept if you have a permit and doesn't bring them outside your house.
How am i supposed to become a good ninja (whhich i'm training for atm) when i can't carry a sword.

Where do you live? Sounds F'ed up 2 me.

I assume it's the "guns are illegal" part you refer to as fucked up.
I live in Denmark, civilians are not allowed to own or carry guns. theres some ways ofc, like beeing a certified hunter, or member of a shooting range, but if in that case you have to keep your gun at the range, not in your home, and for hunters, they must keep the gun locked safely away, and teh ammo locked safely away in a different place.
I'm not sure about this part, but i think that even in those cases, you're only allowed a small selection of weapons, hunting rifles/shotguns for hunting i think, and non-assault rifles and pistols for sport-shooting.

 

[McNinja]

There is no such thing as having too many guns.

Unless you're mentally unstable.

In which case there should be psych evals or something.

 

[holydemon]

no limits.

 

[Eliam_Dar]

in real life: no guns at all for the civilian population
in zombie uprising: shotguns

Were would we get the guns if the zombies came, if no one already had them.

On a serious note, Gun control doesn't work because most guns in robberies and other illegal crap are obtained illegally, and people need guns to protect themselves and hunt. Alot of things are good about guns, and its not the guns fault if someone dies, it's the persons who pulled the trigger, and it's unfair for law abiding citizens who enjoy them properly! (duh)

though it is true that the blame goes to the person who pulls the trigger, guns are specifically made for killing. Curiously the whole argument of "need to protect myself" (though it holds a certain degree of truth) should be "I need to protect myself from other people who holds guns".

Hunt, well, that's true, but I don't hunt on a city.

 

[Gildan Bladeborn]

After burning down every bridge that I found, these days I try to limit myself to a

Spoiler: 6 gun quota.

 

[Squidwogdog]

Dude, look at my name......

I refuse to.

Squirrelly man.

In Australia the only people who have guns are police, farmers and enthusiests, its not the right to have them that worries me, its how easy it is to get them, in America you can walk into a pawn shop and walk out with a gun 5 minuts later. weren't school shootings blamed on how easy it is obtain a fire arm?

Guns are bad M'kay

Guns are not that easy to get in the US. There is a little thing called background checks and waiting periods. Sure you can walk out with a rifle in most states if you pass the background check, which can mean a couple of hours in the store to fill out all the paper work and do the check, if the check fails then you can have a check submitted in writing, and have to wait for that check to come back before you can leave with the gun. But you will never walk out with a hand gun unless you have a permit like I do, and pass another background check.

As far as guns being bad, do you really partake in an animistic beliefs? Guns are inanimate objects. It's not like touching one is suddenly going to turn you into a cold blooded killer, they don't think, they don't have personalities. Only the person wielding them does, and they can be just as efficient with a knife if there is nobody to stop them.

Thank you for explaining the process out for me, it clears a lot of things up for me, I was obviously exagerating the 5 minutes part, and theres no need to rip on a South park line

 

[Verbal Samurai]

The limit should be no more than the current limit in the US: no fully automatic weapons, no explosives, background check on new gun purchase except private transfer, and no carrying in public without a license.

You can have explosives as long as you mix them on private property and they do not leave that private property.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but it's not true. There are federal laws against bombs, missiles, grenades, and other "destructive devices."

Any state law to the contrary violates "federal preemption" which basically means that a state law cannot override a federal law.

 

[Berethond]

The limit should be no more than the current limit in the US: no fully automatic weapons, no explosives, background check on new gun purchase except private transfer, and no carrying in public without a license.

You can have explosives as long as you mix them on private property and they do not leave that private property.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but it's not true. There are federal laws against bombs, missiles, grenades, and other "destructive devices."

Any state law to the contrary violates "federal preemption" which basically means that a state law cannot override a federal law.

No, you can't have bombs, missiles, et cetera, but you can have explosives.

 

[Chewster]

It doesn't especially matter to me, so long as the owners are prepared to use them responsibly and ensure that they do not fall into the wrong hands at any point.

 

[tkioz]

I honestly don't understand America's gun laws at all, I'm Australian, I fired my first firearm when I was 5 years old (I'm told), I got my first rifle at the age of 8, got my youth shooters permit at 13, purchased my own firearms at 16, and I'm in support of strict gun control.

Shocking I know, we're (shooters) not all stupid red necks. I know what a super-sonic chunk of lead will do a human body, seeing what it does to animals is enough to disturb me at time, I had gun safety drummed into my head since before I started going to school.

From what I understand you don't need a license to own a firearm in the US, to me that's utterly crazy, you need a license to drive a car, but not own a gun? I was a little put out when they banned semi-automatic rifles in Australia (a move I still consider knee-jerk) but that's mainly because I lost a beautiful rifle to the buyback, not because I don't understand why it was a needed move.

IMO America needs to introduce a strong federal level gun control legislation like we've got here, not the same necessarily, but something like it, people without violent criminal records should be able to purchase a firearm after applying for a license, hand guns and high calibre firearms should require a higher degree of control, and all easily modifiable semi-automatic weapons should be banned outright (you'd be shocked at how easy it is to mod a rifle from semi to fully auto, in some cases its literally a 30 second job).

 

[The Cheezy One]

no-one needs guns
by producing guns for military and police, you make it easier for terrorists to get them
so you have to make more guns
and the cycle continues
i know a bank in america, where when you set up an account, they give you a gun
no $300 investment or whatever, just give you a gun
i bet they dont run background checks either

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

a well regulated militia has the right to bear arms NOT just anyone

 

[YoUnG205]

I think we should use guns from the 1800's again because if you could use one of those well then you had skill. But pistols only would make war alot more even.

 

[Verbal Samurai]

The limit should be no more than the current limit in the US: no fully automatic weapons, no explosives, background check on new gun purchase except private transfer, and no carrying in public without a license.

You can have explosives as long as you mix them on private property and they do not leave that private property.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but it's not true. There are federal laws against bombs, missiles, grenades, and other "destructive devices."

Any state law to the contrary violates "federal preemption" which basically means that a state law cannot override a federal law.

No, you can't have bombs, missiles, et cetera, but you can have explosives.

If by explosives, you mean a firecracker or a bullet, then yes you can have "explosives." If you mean anything that is strong enough to operate as a bomb and cause damage to people or property, then no, you cannot have "explosives."

 

[Uber Evil]

Shotguns and Rifles.
Good for protecting your home and hunting.
Also, Grammar is AWESOME.

QFT. I would think hunting, say, deer with a pistol (unless it is specifically built for hunting) would be difficult.

no-one needs guns
by producing guns for military and police, you make it easier for terrorists to get them
so you have to make more guns
and the cycle continues
i know a bank in america, where when you set up an account, they give you a gun
no $300 investment or whatever, just give you a gun
i bet they dont run background checks either

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

a well regulated militia has the right to bear arms NOT just anyone

Is that part grammatically incorrect, or does that mean that the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[Uber Evil]

*Woops, double posted. Ignore this!

 

[sneakypenguin]

no-one needs guns
by producing guns for military and police, you make it easier for terrorists to get them
so you have to make more guns
and the cycle continues
i know a bank in america, where when you set up an account, they give you a gun
no $300 investment or whatever, just give you a gun
i bet they dont run background checks either

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

a well regulated militia has the right to bear arms NOT just anyone

DC v Heller secured the 2nd amendment as an individual right though.

the Court held that the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that firearm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home. The Court based its holding on the text of the Second Amendment, as well as applicable language in state constitutions adopted soon after the Second Amendment.

 

[JupiterBase]

I think hunting rifles and shotguns should be allowed, personally.

Anything more is unneeded.

I don't think so my paranoia/caution mandates that i should be prepared for any eventuality...
Sword and armor to fight off a Koa-Toa invasion from the sea. a pistol with alotta stopping power to prevent home invasions/alien abductions. machine guns and rifles as well as a gunny suit so that i could survive to lead the rebellion against the ________(INSERT ENEMY HERE) invasion.

 

[Berethond]

The limit should be no more than the current limit in the US: no fully automatic weapons, no explosives, background check on new gun purchase except private transfer, and no carrying in public without a license.

You can have explosives as long as you mix them on private property and they do not leave that private property.

I don't know where you are getting this information, but it's not true. There are federal laws against bombs, missiles, grenades, and other "destructive devices."

Any state law to the contrary violates "federal preemption" which basically means that a state law cannot override a federal law.

No, you can't have bombs, missiles, et cetera, but you can have explosives.

If by explosives, you mean a firecracker or a bullet, then yes you can have "explosives." If you mean anything that is strong enough to operate as a bomb and cause damage to people or property, then no, you cannot have "explosives."

By explosives I mean <url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Explosive_material>explosives.

There are certain types of high explosives that are extremely stable and are legal to create on private property.