Poll: gun rights but how much is too much?

[shaboinkin]

I was thinking about this for some reason

If the United States got invaded by some other country, the citizens would form militias and be fighting along side with the military. If we didn't have the right to bear arms, the people would be relying on the military to be everywhere at the same time.

 

[manaman]

No guns. We get along all right here in the UK with no civillian guns, and I'm happy with it that way.

Besides, Batman's against guns, and look at his results.

Batman is fiction. You got a long way to go if you are mixing up fact and fiction.

*snip*
I was talking about mass shootings. A mugging isn't even a shooting (but it can lead to a shooting), and you know what you can mug someone with a knife just as easily. Great thing about a knife, you can even slice them a bit if they are uncooperative, your think they are going to be uncooperative, or you just feel like it, with minimal risk of getting a murder charge. Hydrostatic shock, fragmentation and yawing can all lead to a potential risk of death even from a shoot in the extremities.

But you are more likely to be mugged at gun point than involved in a mass shooting. Heck (even if you are male) you are probably more likely to be raped at gunpoint than involved in a mass shooting. You talk as if you are living in some action movie fantasy.

That is true, but I was talking about mass shootings. You countered what I said about mass shootings by basically ignoring it, and then posting your opinion about handguns. I was just trying to point that out.

 

[Raregolddragon]

Everything is permitted!

I will have my self an airship!

Waahahahahahaha

 

[thenumberthirteen]

Shotguns and Rifles for hunting. With strict licensing. No handguns or automatic weapons.

The UK needs to lay the hell of knives though. I mean you can get randomly stopped in the street, and if you have a butter kife they can take it away if they believe you are going to do harm with it. I don't really know how strict the criteria are for determining intent, but bet they're quite flexible.

I carry a Swiss Army Knife, and while it is legal (the blade is < 3 inches) if I got stopped they'd probably take it away. If that actually did happen then I would raise hell.

 

[Woodsey]

Shotguns and Rifles.
Good for protecting your home and hunting.
Also, Grammar is AWESOME.

Nice use of a capital 'G' there for irony. [small]Yes I know that's not technically grammar, but it still makes you look silly.[/small]

OT: I'm largely against public getting hold of guns - I prefer the laws we have in the UK as they are.

What they've got going in America is silly.

 

[Katana314]

I really see no practical civilian application for anything beyond shotguns and smgs. They're neat collectors items and possibly fun at a shooting range, but I think we can say when the risk of massive shootouts and crime are the concern, "fun" should really take a backseat.
Eliminating them altogether would make it too easy for a government to take control, though.

 

[Aerodyamic]

Disclaimer: I'm Canadian, and I've lived my entire life in Alberta, which is part of the redneck portion of Canada. While I'm personally comfortable with firearms (especially in a rural setting), I don't understand the logic behind high-powered semi- or fully automatic weapons, or the point behind trophy hunting.

I'm fine with a small arm for personal and home defense. I'm also cool with a rifle for the express purpose of sport shooting or hunting, provided that the hunting is done with the intent of using the animal for more than a trophy. Same goes for bows, and crossbows for those that enjoy target archery, but are physically unable to properly manipulate a normal bow; someone in a wheelchair would be a great example.

I'm not cool with armour-piercing rounds, because I have yet to see an animal wandering around wearing body armour, and if you're shooting a bear, elephant, rhino or hippo in the head, you're too dumb to reside at the top of the food chain, anyways.

I'm also not sure I understand the point behind broadhead arrows that have a 2" measurement, flare-to-flare, since a standard 1' broadhead will provide a kill, assuming you're actually trying to put the target somewhere lethal to begin with.

 

[hamster mk 4]

That is true, but I was talking about mass shootings. You countered what I said about mass shootings by basically ignoring it, and then posting your opinion about handguns. I was just trying to point that out.

Yeah I realized that after I posted and did not want to do the ninja edit thing. My point was that highly sensationalized Mass Shootings should not form the basis for gun control policy. Assault rifles and SMG's are probably the best thing for mass shootings, but this thread is about gun rights and what weapons should be legal. Forming your opinion about this topic based solely on what you read/see in the news is not a good idea. The news will cover a story about 12 deaths in a school shooting for months, while largely ignoring the several thousand regular murders that happen in that same time period.

 

[Clirck]

Are they going to take away my nuclear bomb? I built it with my bear (not bare) hands.

OT: I don't know should everyone have rights to have enough to create a bombarment out of the bullets they must have with the guns. I support one personal weapons for those who seriously need it. Not to shoot it in their backyard.

Also best gun for zombie apocalypse is a shotgun, heavy firepower, cool looking and core guaranteed.

 

[SilverUchiha]

No limits.
I want a tank battleship.

I could live with a tank. They can cover more ground (as I am in a landlocked area). Plus, blowing shit up is AWESOME!!!

 

[manaman]

That is true, but I was talking about mass shootings. You countered what I said about mass shootings by basically ignoring it, and then posting your opinion about handguns. I was just trying to point that out.

Yeah I realized that after I posted and did not want to do the ninja edit thing. My point was that highly sensationalized Mass Shootings should not form the basis for gun control policy. Assault rifles and SMG's are probably the best thing for mass shootings, but this thread is about gun rights and what weapons should be legal. Forming your opinion about this topic based solely on what you read/see in the news is not a good idea. The news will cover a story about 12 deaths in a school shooting for months, while largely ignoring the several thousand every day murders that happen in that same time period.

Believe me I know that. This argument usually turns into a battle between those that have never handled a gun, and see it as evil, against the people that have grown up, or been introduced to guns. A gun itself is nothing but a hunk a metal. A loaded weapon is something to be treated with caution at all times. A loaded weapon in the hands of an honest person, who is being careful with it is nothing to be afraid of. A loaded gun in the hands of vicious person is something to be afraid of. I carry a gun with me almost always. I always have a gun in my truck. Just because they exist, and I own them does not mean I am going to suddenly go out and start raping and killing.

 

[Rolling Thunder]

No guns.

Lets NOT make it easy to kill people thank you.

So, no kitchen knives, alcohol, cigarettes, pens, cars, trucks, piano wire, broken glass bottles, screw drivers, Pillows (people have been murdered by them before), or plastic bags?

Is that it? Clearly the abundance of firearms in your nation is stunting the creativity of your murderers, my good sir.

 

[Datalord]

No guns.

Lets NOT make it easy to kill people thank you.

So, no kitchen knives, alcohol, cigarettes, pens, cars, trucks, piano wire, broken glass bottles, screw drivers, Pillows (people have been murdered by them before), or plastic bags?

Is that it? Clearly the abundance of firearms in your nation is stunting the creativity of your murderers, my good sir.

Our weak biology makes us easy to kill, not our weapons.

I could kill a random passerby with a newspaper, but guns are more threatening, so they do better to scare off the muggers or hostage takers

Also, i can't kill a zombie with a plastic bag

 

[hamster mk 4]

Believe me I know that. This argument usually turns into a battle between those that have never handled a gun, and see it as evil, against the people that have grown up, or been introduced to guns. A gun itself is nothing but a hunk a metal. A loaded weapon is something to be treated with caution at all times. A loaded weapon in the hands of an honest person, who is being careful with it is nothing to be afraid of. A loaded gun in the hands of vicious person is something to be afraid of. I carry a gun with me almost always. I always have a gun in my truck. Just because they exist, and I own them does not mean I am going to suddenly go out and start raping and killing.

I have been introduced to guns by my in-laws. I know the majority of gun users are law abiding people. I also know there are a great many hot headed jerks in the world. My initial argument was with the poll order. That on a sliding scale the hand gun represents more danger than the bolt action rifle, and the shotgun. I have used a bolt action rifle before and liked it, but an automatic pistol seems like some thing you carry when you go looking for trouble.

 

[Uncreation]

Guns don't kill people, guns clean the genetic pool of unwanted idiots.

ehh that would make more sense except for the fact that usualy its the idiot doing the shooting

but who are they shooting? more idiots.

Or sometimes, innocent people, bystanders... It would be great if idiots with guns would just shoot other idiots with guns. That would probably be a better world to live in. Unfortunately, there are plenty of other people getting shot as well.

 

[Wadders]

I like the gun control we have in the UK. It's strict, but understandably so.

It's not impossible to get a gun legally, it just requires a bit of commitment and a clean criminal record.

 

[teisjm]

..You're right that a firearm can be near-instantaneous death. The difficulty comes when you have to engage multiple targets, quickly and effectively while differentiating between non-coms and hostiles...

It's easay enough...You just swap to your noob tube and pray that friendly fire isn't on.

Also, i'd agree with the other guy, while i will obviously acknowledge the fact that theres a huge difference between how well peopel shot, and your skills will determine how well you hit, they can sadly not maek up for your opponents skills if theres more of them, or if they shoot first.
Beeing an expert marksman doesn't help you deflect bullets, but beeing an expert swordsman will help you deflect blows.
So in a swordfight, it'll most likely come down to whose best. In a gunfight it'll easily come down to who shotos first, as long as both peopel are skileld enough to hit what they shoot at.

Also, i've never fired a real gun before, so untill i can get real-life aimbot implants, i'll be glad that guns are illegal where i live, seeing as they wouldn't provide any real advantages to me. Too bad swords are illegal as well, 'cept if you have a permit and doesn't bring them outside your house.
How am i supposed to become a good ninja (whhich i'm training for atm) when i can't carry a sword.

 

[Rawker]

Guns don't kill people, guns clean the genetic pool of unwanted idiots.

ehh that would make more sense except for the fact that usualy its the idiot doing the shooting

but who are they shooting? more idiots.

Or sometimes, innocent people, bystanders... It would be great if idiots with guns would just shoot other idiots with guns. That would probably be a better world to live in. Unfortunately, there are plenty of other people getting shot as well.

Acceptable losses in the name of science.

 

[WolfThomas]

Probably just rifes and shotguns, you see I believe I could be trusted with all the others (handguns, dragons breath etc), but other people...

Proper licensing is the key, my Cat A and B (shotguns (no pumps), centrefires and rimfires, (bolt, pump and lever)) license arrived a few days ago, it wasn't hard to get, you just have to be motivated.

 

[vento 231]

in real life: no guns at all for the civilian population
in zombie uprising: shotguns

Were would we get the guns if the zombies came, if no one already had them.

On a serious note, Gun control doesn't work because most guns in robberies and other illegal crap are obtained illegally, and people need guns to protect themselves and hunt. Alot of things are good about guns, and its not the guns fault if someone dies, it's the persons who pulled the trigger, and it's unfair for law abiding citizens who enjoy them properly! (duh)