[sub]emphasis mine[/sub]Kathinka said:criminals who commit crimes with their weapons will always get their hands on some, no matter how strict the law is. check england, where they have one of the strictest gun laws of the world, and yet one of the highest gun crime rates. the crime rate with firearm related incidents even INCREASED after the further tightening of the law a couple of years ago!
Bull.
SHIT.

Ah bugger, you can't read it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence
Make sure you sort the per-capita tables to go from highest-lowest (click the icons in the column headings)
2nd from bottom - UK. Bottom - Singapore. 9th from top - US. Top - Colombia. Of 37 entries.
How is the UK "One of the highest" when it's in 35th-from-top, behind of all the other European countries, and way behind the USA in terms of deaths-per-capita?
1997 was the last firearms legislation, so it wasn't really "a few years ago", and you will notice that every single piece of modern legislation (ie post 1950) on firearms has been in response to some sort of massacre, which then hasn't re-occurred.
Gun crime took a bit of a rise as gang violence started to impact the UK, but it's tailing off these days thanks to the legislation and decent policing on the matter.
As for the main topic...I'm not getting involved. This has been done hundreds of times and over hundreds of pages. I tend to be anti-gun except for in cases of hunting. But I would like to own my own firearms, so eh. Do a fecking search if you want my in-depth opinions, I don't want to slug this one out *again*.
Just calling someone out on pertinently false claims.