Poll: gun rights but how much is too much?
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Swords: They require finesse to use. One who can defeat an opponent with one is clearly one of superior fitness and endurance. Only the great succeed. You can get better almost indefinitely.
Guns: Anyone can use them. Just point, press, and kill. Absolutely generic for everyone with hands. The only real improvement is just lest missing, as if that mattered.
So yeah. No guns at all.
Swords: They require finesse to use. One who can defeat an opponent with one is clearly one of superior fitness and endurance. Only the great succeed. You can get better almost indefinitely.
Guns: Anyone can use them. Just point, press, and kill. Absolutely generic for everyone with hands. The only real improvement is just lest missing, as if that mattered.
So yeah. No guns at all.
Guns are bad, people who USE guns are bad.Squidwogdog said:
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Nothing more then rifles and shotguns, but for rifles change out the firing mechanism with a semi automatic one. That way nothing stupid happens AND you're safe in the zombie invasion.
I believe that all kinds of firearms should be available to most people (those with a history of violence and/or mental condition excluded from possible ownership), with restrictions (not bans) only placed on full-auto firearms and devices such as silencers.
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So was Videogames, movies, and rock n' roll.Squidwogdog said:
You my friend have obviously never handled a firearm, or you're trolling. Either way your ignorance pisses me off. Handling a firearm with skill in a high stress situation is an art unlike any.Portal Maniac said:
1. I am not your friend. Don't call me one.Scolar Visari said:
2. I HAVE handled firearms, thank you very much. I wasn't too bad a shot, if I recall correctly.
3. Me? Troll? That'd be so ironic, I think the entire population of Detroit would explode.
4. Now the last part, I have no experience in, thankfully. However, I really doubt that nigh-instantaneous death-calls would require more skill than a good sword fight. A gun, you really only have one chance. A sword, you can block, parry, counter, feint your blows, strike high, go low, and take a little bit of hurts before it's game over.
I say that we get rid of gun laws and make ammo control. Each bullet costs $1500. I bet you'd think twice before shooting someone when it means 2-3 grand.
I'll consider gun restrictions resonable as soon as fully automatic weapons and grenades aren't incredibly easy to get on the black market. The only thing gun restrictions laws do is keep honest people from having guns to defend themselves. Criminals have plenty of easy access weapons.
i think the law we have here in the czech republic is pretty adequate. we are one of the countries with the loosest gun law, but also one with the fewest deaths by firearm 
every person who is 18, not convicted and not known to the police can get a paper that he or she is mature and sane enough to handle firearms from a commitee of psychologists. with this paper you can then apply for a gun license for several purposes. collecting, hunting, self defense and so on.
for self defense you are allowed to carry any semi-automatic weapon you can carry concealed, some people in endangered positions get licenses for fullauto weapons, for example people who transport money for banks and such.
otherwise fully automatic weapons are not allowed to be carried, but are legal to own and shoot for collectors and for recreational purposes. the ownership and usage of explosive ammunition, rockets, grenades and such is rare, but some collectors are allowed to, so it's not entirely unheared of.
czech people have a pretty mature way about guns, seeing them as usefull and enjoyable, but dangerous tools and items of sport & recreation. still it is pretty uncommon in some areas here to NOT have a firearm in your household.
correct firearm operating and shooting is taught in p.e. class in school, first with airrifles, then in 5th grade with .22lr and from 8th grade on in the usual high calibers. once a year in sports camp fullauto on man-shaped silouettes, a leftover from the cold war when everybody thought that the yankees and their nato-henchmen would come screaming over the hills any second
[redneck-mode] guns don't kill people, guns protect people from other people with smaller guns^^ [/redneck-mode]
every person who is 18, not convicted and not known to the police can get a paper that he or she is mature and sane enough to handle firearms from a commitee of psychologists. with this paper you can then apply for a gun license for several purposes. collecting, hunting, self defense and so on.
for self defense you are allowed to carry any semi-automatic weapon you can carry concealed, some people in endangered positions get licenses for fullauto weapons, for example people who transport money for banks and such.
otherwise fully automatic weapons are not allowed to be carried, but are legal to own and shoot for collectors and for recreational purposes. the ownership and usage of explosive ammunition, rockets, grenades and such is rare, but some collectors are allowed to, so it's not entirely unheared of.
czech people have a pretty mature way about guns, seeing them as usefull and enjoyable, but dangerous tools and items of sport & recreation. still it is pretty uncommon in some areas here to NOT have a firearm in your household.
correct firearm operating and shooting is taught in p.e. class in school, first with airrifles, then in 5th grade with .22lr and from 8th grade on in the usual high calibers. once a year in sports camp fullauto on man-shaped silouettes, a leftover from the cold war when everybody thought that the yankees and their nato-henchmen would come screaming over the hills any second
[redneck-mode] guns don't kill people, guns protect people from other people with smaller guns^^ [/redneck-mode]
I live in Australia so gun laws here are a lot stricter than in the U.S, But even I think they are too strict.
I voted pistols on the grounds of self defence in say a shop keeper, Robbers get guns illegally anyway, Why not let a store clerk have the ability to fight back.
Not letting guns except for Cops and Licensed gun owners creates such a weak working class standard.
If the cops want to crush a protest they easily can with a simple shot fired in the air and people would have nothing to defend themselves with.
Also if your driving along and run over an animal in rural Australia, you don't own a pistol so you basically have to let an animal die in agony. And yes it happens a lot where animals are road kill in Australia and are left to die and can't be shot to be put out of their misery.
I draw the line at pistols because the purpose of a gun is to be used as a tool, Like a knife, A shotgun and more is unnecessary power.
I voted pistols on the grounds of self defence in say a shop keeper, Robbers get guns illegally anyway, Why not let a store clerk have the ability to fight back.
Not letting guns except for Cops and Licensed gun owners creates such a weak working class standard.
If the cops want to crush a protest they easily can with a simple shot fired in the air and people would have nothing to defend themselves with.
Also if your driving along and run over an animal in rural Australia, you don't own a pistol so you basically have to let an animal die in agony. And yes it happens a lot where animals are road kill in Australia and are left to die and can't be shot to be put out of their misery.
I draw the line at pistols because the purpose of a gun is to be used as a tool, Like a knife, A shotgun and more is unnecessary power.
So I guess this isn't a serious poll?...
Either way, Gun rights are no different from a hammer or a pen. When used properly with training, they offer years of excellent service and function.
Follow where I'm going with that? You need to go to school to learn to write with a pen, you need to practice striking a nail on the head with a hammer. when used properly, they can really help out with a task. Used improperly, they can kill. How is a gun any different? Guns for sale in U.S. are designed for target, hunting, or self defense. Assault weapons are not purchasable with out a Federal Firearms permit. And hate to brake it to ya gun haters, most deaths related to guns are either accidental miss fire from the owner not being properly trained or not using gun locks, or guns purchased illegally. Taking away legal guns DOES NOT get rid of illegal guns. It just makes all guns Illegal. I'll bet more people die from cigarettes then murder with a legally purchased hand gun.
So yeah, sorry Australia, you guys are subjects, not citizens. If you want a little lesson on gun control, google what the Swiss did during the start of WWII. I think every household should have several guns and go through a safety and marksman training course.
Either way, Gun rights are no different from a hammer or a pen. When used properly with training, they offer years of excellent service and function.
Follow where I'm going with that? You need to go to school to learn to write with a pen, you need to practice striking a nail on the head with a hammer. when used properly, they can really help out with a task. Used improperly, they can kill. How is a gun any different? Guns for sale in U.S. are designed for target, hunting, or self defense. Assault weapons are not purchasable with out a Federal Firearms permit. And hate to brake it to ya gun haters, most deaths related to guns are either accidental miss fire from the owner not being properly trained or not using gun locks, or guns purchased illegally. Taking away legal guns DOES NOT get rid of illegal guns. It just makes all guns Illegal. I'll bet more people die from cigarettes then murder with a legally purchased hand gun.
So yeah, sorry Australia, you guys are subjects, not citizens. If you want a little lesson on gun control, google what the Swiss did during the start of WWII. I think every household should have several guns and go through a safety and marksman training course.
That first line dude, what the hell? If it's that easy to get that stuff off of the "Black Market" then why don't more people have them? The only places that have an abundance of military grade hardware floating around are third world or near third world states.archvile93 said:
Don't be fooled. A hand gun is far more dangerous because it is concealable. Shotguns you can see from a mile away + anything past 50 yards they won't hit. If anything its easier to get shot close range with a hand gun too in a store because with a long barrel, they will be knocking over shelves and products in the way. A hand gun, just point and shoot...Amardor said: