Poll: gun rights but how much is too much?

[iTeamKill]

No guns.

Lets NOT make it easy to kill people thank you.

So, no kitchen knives, alcohol, cigarettes, pens, cars, trucks, piano wire, broken glass bottles, screw drivers, Pillows (people have been murdered by them before), or plastic bags?

 

[iTeamKill]

That first line dude, what the hell? If it's that easy to get that stuff off of the "Black Market" then why don't more people have them? The only places that have an abundance of military grade hardware floating around are third world or near third world states.

Because people who like to not break the law don't go buy hand grenades. Remember, most people are NOT criminals.

 

[MelasZepheos_v1legacy]

Since I'm British I shall state once more my belief in strict gun control, no one should have guns except the army etc.

Sword fighting would be pretty fun though, and it would give everyone an incentive to learn how to sword fight if you knew you could be challenged to a duel at a moment's notice. The whole world would be caught in a constant reenactment of Zorro or the Three Musketeers.

 

[Amardor]

I draw the line at pistols because the purpose of a gun is to be used as a tool, Like a knife, A shotgun and more is unnecessary power.

Don't be fooled. A hand gun is far more dangerous because it is concealable. Shotguns you can see from a mile away + anything past 50 yards they won't hit. If anything its easier to get shot close range with a hand gun too in a store because with a long barrel, they will be knocking over shelves and products in the way. A hand gun, just point and shoot...

I don't mean in the sense of the practicality of carrying it around, I mean in the sense of actual power from a pistol vs other guns.

People already illegally have shotguns or SMG's or rifles in this country, I know a guy from highschool whose father has them in his bedroom.

I ment in the sense of, If you were to HAVE to have a gun in a circumstance the impact from a pistol would be a lot easier to survive than the spray from a shotgun shell.

We have to be practical in the sense, Ok someone has shot someone, If its a pistol ( Please don't raise Desert Eagle in this ) Are they more likely to survive than a shotgun, from my knowledge yes.

 

[fix-the-spade]

No limits, railguns for all!

More seriously, it's kind of hard to justify concealed hand guns in the world of pepper sprays and tazers, which are more immediately debilitaing than a small calibre handgun, especially in untrained or panicked hand. Chances are most people can't aim a gun accurately when they're shitting themselves under attack, but they can probably wave a spray can around. They also fail to land innocent people with bullet holes if you miss or assume.


Longer weapons like rifles and shotguns, the ones with practical uses, eh, just apply for a permit and go and buy the damn things. They're hardly subtle or assasination tools, plus for the much vaunted 'home defense' they have the intimdation factor of being a fecking big gun.

 

[Scolar Visari]

That first line dude, what the hell? If it's that easy to get that stuff off of the "Black Market" then why don't more people have them? The only places that have an abundance of military grade hardware floating around are third world or near third world states.

Because people who like to not break the law don't go buy hand grenades. Remember, most people are NOT criminals.

Believe me, I understand that. What I was trying to say was that FAs and explosives are not as prevelant as people believe tham to be. The last crime I heard of that involved FAs was that bank robbery in LA. Even then, only the two bank robbers and maybe one or two civilians actualy died. Compare that to the thousands of rounds expended by the robbers.

 

[Amardor]

So I guess this isn't a serious poll?...

Either way, Gun rights are no different from a hammer or a pen. When used properly with training, they offer years of excellent service and function.

Follow where I'm going with that? You need to go to school to learn to write with a pen, you need to practice striking a nail on the head with a hammer. when used properly, they can really help out with a task. Used improperly, they can kill. How is a gun any different? Guns for sale in U.S. are designed for target, hunting, or self defense. Assault weapons are not purchasable with out a Federal Firearms permit. And hate to brake it to ya gun haters, most deaths related to guns are either accidental miss fire from the owner not being properly trained or not using gun locks, or guns purchased illegally. Taking away legal guns DOES NOT get rid of illegal guns. It just makes all guns Illegal. I'll bet more people die from cigarettes then murder with a legally purchased hand gun.

So yeah, sorry Australia, you guys are subjects, not citizens. If you want a little lesson on gun control, google what the Swiss did during the start of WWII. I think every household should have several guns and go through a safety and marksman training course.

This is why, with proper training etc. I am in favour of a pistol, think about it in the sense of like your quote indicated using a hammer to hit nails, Why use a Sledge Hammer to hit nails when a hand size hammer does the job, Why carry a rifle/shotgun/smg when a pistol can be effective and also is a lot easier to survive against for humans but yet for dieing animals will ensure a clean painless cull.

 

[SnipErlite]

Honourable sword duels all the way!

 

[Deadlydorito]

No guns.

Lets NOT make it easy to kill people thank you.

So, no kitchen knives, alcohol, cigarettes, pens, cars, trucks, piano wire, broken glass bottles, screw drivers, Pillows (people have been murdered by them before), or plastic bags?

Everything is a deadly weapon, i know. But using a knife, a pen, a pillow is a much more passionate act and generally considered much harder to pull off or even consider. People have always killed other people and always will, i get that. But deadly weapons such as guns make it oh so much easier AND tempting.

Id rather have a knife crime outbreak than gun crime, wouldnt you?

 

[mightybozz]

No guns.

Lets NOT make it easy to kill people thank you.

So, no kitchen knives, alcohol, cigarettes, pens, cars, trucks, piano wire, broken glass bottles, screw drivers, Pillows (people have been murdered by them before), or plastic bags?

Everything is a deadly weapon, i know. But using a knife, a pen, a pillow is a much more passionate act and generally considered much harder to pull off or even consider. People have always killed other people and always will, i get that. But deadly weapons such as guns make it oh so much easier AND tempting.

Id rather have a knife crime outbreak than gun crime, wouldnt you?

Precisely. You'll always have crimes and criminals. The problem is that most murders and injuries are committed by people the victim knows. If the attacker has a gun, it is so much easier to inflict so much more harm. In any situation in which there is a gun, someone is far, far more likely to die instead of walking away.

 

[iTeamKill]

Everything is a deadly weapon, i know. But using a knife, a pen, a pillow is a much more passionate act and generally considered much harder to pull off or even consider. People have always killed other people and always will, i get that. But deadly weapons such as guns make it oh so much easier AND tempting.

Id rather have a knife crime outbreak than gun crime, wouldnt you?

Precisely. You'll always have crimes and criminals. The problem is that most murders and injuries are committed by people the victim knows. If the attacker has a gun, it is so much easier to inflict so much more harm. In any situation in which there is a gun, someone is far, far more likely to die instead of walking away.

Then please explain, how taking guns away from citizens makes it harder for criminals to purchase guns illegally? How will you, taking away my 92fs and Ithaca Deerslayer keep me safe from the coke head down the block who just got a glock 17 from the truck of a lincoln?

Weed is illegal and there's plenty of that shit floating around...

 

[archvile93]

I'll consider gun restrictions resonable as soon as fully automatic weapons and grenades aren't incredibly easy to get on the black market. The only thing gun restrictions laws do is keep honest people from having guns to defend themselves. Criminals have plenty of easy access weapons.

That first line dude, what the hell? If it's that easy to get that stuff off of the "Black Market" then why don't more people have them? The only places that have an abundance of military grade hardware floating around are third world or near third world states.

Because most criminals don't require that kind of hardware, and the semiautomatic stuff's cheaper. You don't seem to understand how easy it is to illegally obtain guns.

 

[mightybozz]

Everything is a deadly weapon, i know. But using a knife, a pen, a pillow is a much more passionate act and generally considered much harder to pull off or even consider. People have always killed other people and always will, i get that. But deadly weapons such as guns make it oh so much easier AND tempting.

Id rather have a knife crime outbreak than gun crime, wouldnt you?

Precisely. You'll always have crimes and criminals. The problem is that most murders and injuries are committed by people the victim knows. If the attacker has a gun, it is so much easier to inflict so much more harm. In any situation in which there is a gun, someone is far, far more likely to die instead of walking away.

Then please explain, how taking guns away from citizens makes it harder for criminals to purchase guns illegally? How will you, taking away my 92fs and Ithaca Deerslayer keep me safe from the coke head down the block who just got a glock 17 from the truck of a lincoln?

Weed is illegal and there's plenty of that shit floating around...

I assume you mean in the USA. Different situation to the UK where I live, where guns aren't a problem. Even so though, a mugger isn't going to want to kill someone (assuming, if they're on drugs, that they've still got their head together enough to think that much) unless they feel threatened themselves. There are safer tools to use to defend yourself with than guns

 

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I think leagally it should be shotguns and rifles, for the hunting aspect as well as home security ^^ .. but on the other hand, i would like my own fleet

 

[wizzerd229]

I was vaugly watching the news tonight and noticed a story about a bunch of gun wackos bitching about the governor of tx taking away guns or something, I wasnt paying enough attention, but my question is this, what should the limit of legal firearms be?

wait, TX is taking away guns, WTF

 

[Joa_Belgium]

I don't want guns. I want pie.

 

[Punisher A.J.]

No limits.

not even 8.7 bazillion

 

[Kathinka]

So I guess this isn't a serious poll?...

Either way, Gun rights are no different from a hammer or a pen. When used properly with training, they offer years of excellent service and function.

Follow where I'm going with that? You need to go to school to learn to write with a pen, you need to practice striking a nail on the head with a hammer. when used properly, they can really help out with a task. Used improperly, they can kill. How is a gun any different? Guns for sale in U.S. are designed for target, hunting, or self defense. Assault weapons are not purchasable with out a Federal Firearms permit. And hate to brake it to ya gun haters, most deaths related to guns are either accidental miss fire from the owner not being properly trained or not using gun locks, or guns purchased illegally. Taking away legal guns DOES NOT get rid of illegal guns. It just makes all guns Illegal. I'll bet more people die from cigarettes then murder with a legally purchased hand gun.

So yeah, sorry Australia, you guys are subjects, not citizens. If you want a little lesson on gun control, google what the Swiss did during the start of WWII. I think every household should have several guns and go through a safety and marksman training course.

This is why, with proper training etc. I am in favour of a pistol, think about it in the sense of like your quote indicated using a hammer to hit nails, Why use a Sledge Hammer to hit nails when a hand size hammer does the job, Why carry a rifle/shotgun/smg when a pistol can be effective and also is a lot easier to survive against for humans but yet for dieing animals will ensure a clean painless cull.

well sometimes even the best trained individual does not have much time to react. and sometimes i absolutely, positively need an atacker to fall over on the first shot. i keep an Ithaca 37 stakeout in my household for defense purposes for that exact reason.

criminals who commit crimes with their weapons will always get their hands on some, no matter how strict the law is. check england, where they have one of the strictest gun laws of the world, and yet one of the highest gun crime rates. the crime rate with firearm related incidents even INCREASED after the further tightening of the law a couple of years ago!

 

[Ed130 The Vanguard]

Ownership of a gun should be seen as a privilege not a right. I acknowledge the need for guns used them a few times and may even buy one, but I doubt that the founding fathers could have even known that enshrining gun ownership in the constitution would have led to people owning assault rifles and anti material sniper rifles. Weapons designed to kill lots of people very quickly or from very far away.
So hunting rifles, shotguns and pistols? ok, AK-47's not so much.

Wow my 100th post is relevant to todays society.
I really need a Drink.

 

[Macgyvercas]

No limits.
I want a tank battleship.

I see your battleship and raise you an aircraft carrier.
Hell: I want my own private fleet.