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Dimensional Vortex

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willsham45 said:
Dimensional Vortex said:
willsham45 said:
I am not even in the states nore do I own a fun...got a bow that can be just as deadly though.
If you ban guns the only people who have guns are though who have it illegally who would have then illegally anyway.

If everyone had a gun then there would be less gun crime. I heard Mexico is a good example of this.
If I owned a shop and I had a gun behind the counter and it was known that I did, would you try to rob my shop? Maybe but I am sure some people will be put off.
Serious question, how is a bow ever as deadly as a gun?
Of cause it all depends on the skill of the user, and yes some guns are deadlier but a decent recurve bow or compound bow can be more deadly than some hand guns.
1. You don't need a licence for it
2. Its silent
You can also kit it out with special arrows they do more damage and it can do more long term damage.
Maybe the special arrows are more deadly in one shot compared to one bullet but with most guns you can shoot them faster than a bow. Also how does it being silent and people not needing a license for it make it any more deadly? Those two factors just mean that you wont have to worry about the law as much with a bow and that you can attack silently, but attacking silently can also be easily done with a gun if you attached a silencer onto it. Also going through the process to acquire special arrows is most likely painfully expensive and would go to waste when someone with bad aiming could still kill you with a hunting rifle.

P.S. I do agree with your first statement that it does depend on the skill of the user but guns just require a lot less skill to use.
 

Cheery Lunatic

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Nothing automatic or semi-automatic. Basically, if they're military grade weapons, civilians shouldn't be allowed to own them.

I support the usage of guns but only those for self-defense. Keeping a shotgun at your house, okay. Carrying a legally concealed handgun in your purse, okay. However, I don't see how you'd ever need an SMG unless you're up against something around 15 assailants.

Just for the record, I live in Texas, where people hold onto their gun rights as tightly as a baby with a bottle.
 

Trildor

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Having guns for the sake of having them is infantile, hunting is unnecessary and "self-defense" often results in overreaction.

Just ban them all, civilians shouldn't get anywhere near.
 

Icoveredwars

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At the risk of having a too far to the right moment, (sounds of a shotgun cocking,) Try to ban my guns hippies I dare ya
 

Jonluw

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Okysho said:
Piflik said:
bl4ckh4wk64 said:
SantoUno said:
Honestly, when does a citizen need a firearm?
So you're telling me that the lady that got raped and left for dead in an alley didn't need some sort of protection? That's what firearms give you, they give you a sense of protection and the means to defend yourself against others who will do harm to you.
No...a firearm doesn't help you at all...Someone trying to rape you is much to close to you for you to get your gun out, flick the safety of and take aim at the assailant without him taking that weapon from you and using it against yourself. If you can't defend without a gun in this situation, you also can't with one. Not to speak of shock and the inherent restrain to severely hurt someone else. People don't normally go around the world, constantly counting on being attacked, so if it happens, the likely don't know how to react and outright forget that they carry a weapon at all. When they remember, it is to late. Also if you are robbed and take out your gun, the attacker is more likely to use deadly force on you, just because he has to protect himself now, and he has the upper hand in that situation. Always.

There are two ways to react in an assault, that will get you out alive:
1. Flee...if your assailant is not too close to you, you can flee. If you can't outrun him and he catches up, you can surprise him and attack with feet and hands. He will be surprised and too close to react properly. Then you can continue your flight. If you can't break the assault on your own, there are nonlethal means to defend yourself like electroshockers or pepperspray, both of which have a much lower inhibition threshold to use against someone than a gun or a blade.
2. Comply...obviously not the way to go, if your assailant tries to harm you physically, but as long as he just wants to rob you, YOU JUST FUCKING DO WHAT HE SAYS!
This right here. There are also nightsticks and kubatons (though those need a bit of training) which are blunt weapons to defend yourself at a closer range. If you're assaulted, you need to make lots of noise and run, or else do what he says. Your money isn't worth your life after all. The closer two people are together, the less effective a gun is going to be. Though random, and it's 'possible' for a gun to be effective in a struggle, again it's pretty random and you could also get hurt yourself. Knives are much more dangerous.
Ironically, I think expandable self-defense batons are illegal in the US.
 

Jonluw

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ravenshrike said:
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In the end, all you need to know is this: Norway and Sweden: strict gun-control, no school-shootings in Norway, half the school shootings of Finland in Sweden. Finland: loose gun-control, has school-shootings.
FTFY
Oh, Sweden have had themselves a school-shooting now? The silly sods.
 

Fidelias

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Only ban certain types of guns.

See, it's stupid to ban guns so that criminals don't carry them anymore, because the types of guns that criminals typically carry are ALREADY banned. The only people you would be hurting are the good citizens that only want a way to defend themselves if need be.

And us citizens DO need protection. Sure, the Police help, but they don't have psychic abilities. They aren't going to know where to go until something has already happened. And if it's bad enough that you would need a gun to protect yourself, the police are going to show up way too late.

That's not to say that I believe someone should have an RPG for self-defense. It's not like you're going to need to defend yourself from a tank.

But yeah. Leave it like it is in the US.
 

Fidelias

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Jonluw said:
ravenshrike said:
Jonluw said:
In the end, all you need to know is this: Norway and Sweden: strict gun-control, no school-shootings in Norway, half the school shootings of Finland in Sweden. Finland: loose gun-control, has school-shootings.
FTFY
Oh, Sweden have had themselves a school-shooting now? The silly sods.
No shootings, huh? What about stabbings? You can't expect me to believe that just because guns are illegal that everything is going to be all happy and we're all going to live in total bliss.
 

Jonluw

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Dimensional Vortex said:
...but attacking silently can also be easily done with a gun if you attached a silencer onto it.
http://www.cracked.com/article_18576_5-ridiculous-gun-myths-everyone-believes-thanks-to-movies.html
 

bl4ckh4wk64

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binnsyboy said:
bl4ckh4wk64 said:
SantoUno said:
Honestly, when does a citizen need a firearm?
So you're telling me that the lady that got raped and left for dead in an alley didn't need some sort of protection? That's what firearms give you, they give you a sense of protection and the means to defend yourself against others who will do harm to you.
I imagine guns also give you an intimidation factor and leverage with which to rape someone. :p

Seriously, though, I don't have a problem with guns, but anyone with a violent felony should have restrictions clamped down instantly.
You do realize that they already have multiple laws outlawing sale of firearms to people who have been convicted of a felony...
 

Jonluw

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Fidelias said:
Jonluw said:
ravenshrike said:
Jonluw said:
In the end, all you need to know is this: Norway and Sweden: strict gun-control, no school-shootings in Norway, half the school shootings of Finland in Sweden. Finland: loose gun-control, has school-shootings.
FTFY
Oh, Sweden have had themselves a school-shooting now? The silly sods.
No shootings, huh? What about stabbings? You can't expect me to believe that just because guns are illegal that everything is going to be all happy and we're all going to live in total bliss.
You can't kill several people in a crowd with a knife though. If you want to kill someone with a knife; it'll have to be somewhere noone else is around to intervene.
However, if you want to go on a killing spree with a gun, you can kill dozens of people before you're stopped. There's a reason those people in the school shootings used guns instead of knives.
 

AK47Marine

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Just a reminder for all the gun ban haters when seconds count the cops are only minutes away (average PD response time in urban areas is something like 10 minutes, assuming you get the chance to call them)
 

Rhymenoceros

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The Maddest March Hare said:
Ban all types of weapons for anything other than display purposes (e.g. Display swords on walls) but beyond that there is just no good reason for them to be legal for civilian use.
How do they decide whether they were just for display?
What's to stop you from taking it off the wall and hacking a Jehovah's Witnesses head off?

I believe that as to carry any firearm you must have a license and the licenses only include firing ranges and your house. So no-one is allowed to carry them on public streets at all.
 
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Rhymenoceros said:
The Maddest March Hare said:
Ban all types of weapons for anything other than display purposes (e.g. Display swords on walls) but beyond that there is just no good reason for them to be legal for civilian use.
How do they decide whether they were just for display?
What's to stop you from taking it off the wall and hacking a Jehovah's Witnesses head off?

I believe that as to carry any firearm you must have a license and the licenses only include firing ranges and your house. So no-one is allowed to carry them on public streets at all.
When it comes to display purposes I believe there's some guidelines as to where it changes from being classified as "display" to "functional". In swords, that's such things as build strength (hitting someone with a display sword is equally likely to either kill them or bounce off, have the blade fly loose and smack the person behind you) and, of course, blade sharpness. Something similar goes for "replica" firearms.

And while I like your suggestion, it overlooks the problem that criminals, as a general rule, do not obey the laws in place. So the license wouldn't really affect them, and it's generally the criminals that commit the crimes..
That's why I suggested stemming it at the source and preventing buying guns, otherwise it can easily lead to a whole host of other problems.
 

tavelkyosoba

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"The second amendment wasn't meant to protect us from ducks and deer."

Now, I'm not a gun nut or even a republican. But this rings true for everyone.

It's not really an issue of practicality for sporting or even relevancy as some people would argue it's an antiquated addendum.

The second amendment was designed to be a last-line of defense for the other 9 inalienably rights. That is, the second amendment is meant to protect us from the government. Not criminals. Not wild dogs. But men who come in the night.

The idea of the 10 inalienably rights is a core virtue of our country and it's absolute foolishness to revise those inalienable rights at the will of vocal alarmists.

Some people would eagerly argue the 4th, 5th, 6th, and 8th amendments are antiquated in these times of faceless terrorism and should be abridged for the security of all.

Very clearly then, security is always at the expense of life and liberty and most people would say abridging any of the inalienable rights is absolute madness.

Except the second amendment because it's antiquated, right? Give me a break.


I also cringe at the thought of the assault weapons ban of the 90's. The logic was that hunters don't need 40 round magazines and assault rifles while forgetting entirely that hunter merely benefit from the second amendment, they're not the subject of it.