But the criminals would still get them by going around the stystem.nofear220 said:
There is nothing special about guns, they are a weapon like a sword or a butter knife. Its not like murder didn't exist until the gun was invented.
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There is nothing special about guns, they are a weapon like a sword or a butter knife. Its not like murder didn't exist until the gun was invented.
I own an unknown number of firearms and only certain types should be illegal without a license, like the automatic or suppressed ones. As a gun owner I see no point in a automatic rifle except if it used by the military or the police, why would you need a automatic rifle to fire at a target just so u can go to your friends "O LOOK WAT I COOD DO I KAN FIRE A HOLE KLIP AT A TARGET", meanwhile they only hit the target twice, and I am at the range sighting in my Remington M700 for deer season and I hit the target every time. So I don't believe all guns should be banned only automatic and suppressed firearms.
the purpose of the 2nd amendment was for checks and balances; civilians are allowed firearms so that the military could never get too uppity thinking they have all the power.
considering the military now has nukes, ICBMS, 50cal snipers, and freaking automatic grenade launchers, i think a good sidearm isnt out of the question.
considering the military now has nukes, ICBMS, 50cal snipers, and freaking automatic grenade launchers, i think a good sidearm isnt out of the question.
I hope all of you who support banning weapons never has the need to defend yourself and your family against an intruder in your own home.
Some of you say that you could do it with your bare hands or a knife from the kitchen but when you don't know what the intruder has in his hands this might as well be suicide. A gun is the great equalizer, it can make a weak man be able to protect his home against most threats.
Some say it is wrong to kill another human being but when they are in your home trying to harm you, you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family, not doing so would be the most selfish, idiotic, and cowardly act you could to for your loved ones. Some say let the police handle it but when the police are a phone call and 10minutes away you have no chance.
But the most retarded argument I have herd about not having guns from a previous poster was that it is not a fair way to fight. Well when an unknown man is in your house with a crowbar I tell you I don't give a flying fuck about fair and neither should you when your life is on the line.
A gun can save your life better than anything or anyone else can (including the police) so i suggest you quit living in fantasy land where everyone is nice and come back to the real world where there will always be sick fuck out there who wants to do you harm, or some selfish asshole trying to take what you have.
You have a responsibility to yourself and family to protect them so you better be able to do it. And if you aren't some type of Kung-Fu master then a gun is the best way to go.
Some of you say that you could do it with your bare hands or a knife from the kitchen but when you don't know what the intruder has in his hands this might as well be suicide. A gun is the great equalizer, it can make a weak man be able to protect his home against most threats.
Some say it is wrong to kill another human being but when they are in your home trying to harm you, you have a responsibility to protect yourself and your family, not doing so would be the most selfish, idiotic, and cowardly act you could to for your loved ones. Some say let the police handle it but when the police are a phone call and 10minutes away you have no chance.
But the most retarded argument I have herd about not having guns from a previous poster was that it is not a fair way to fight. Well when an unknown man is in your house with a crowbar I tell you I don't give a flying fuck about fair and neither should you when your life is on the line.
A gun can save your life better than anything or anyone else can (including the police) so i suggest you quit living in fantasy land where everyone is nice and come back to the real world where there will always be sick fuck out there who wants to do you harm, or some selfish asshole trying to take what you have.
You have a responsibility to yourself and family to protect them so you better be able to do it. And if you aren't some type of Kung-Fu master then a gun is the best way to go.
Threads about gun control always underline how most people don't realise there are still significant cultural differences between the UK and the US, and other western nations as well.
Yes, the US does have legalised gun ownership. No, it is not a bullet-hole ridden slaughter house.
No, the UK does not have legalised gun ownership. No, it's not a jack-booted fascist state with endless crime because we can't 'defend ourselves'.
I mean, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate but a very low crime rate. That doesn't mean there's necessarily a correlation. After all, what works there won't necessarily work here.
Yes, the US does have legalised gun ownership. No, it is not a bullet-hole ridden slaughter house.
No, the UK does not have legalised gun ownership. No, it's not a jack-booted fascist state with endless crime because we can't 'defend ourselves'.
I mean, Switzerland has a very high gun ownership rate but a very low crime rate. That doesn't mean there's necessarily a correlation. After all, what works there won't necessarily work here.
Yeah, I know about all that parole violation stuff. I'm just saying, they're on the right lines.bl4ckh4wk64 said:You do realize that they already have multiple laws outlawing sale of firearms to people who have been convicted of a felony...binnsyboy said:I imagine guns also give you an intimidation factor and leverage with which to rape someone.bl4ckh4wk64 said:
Seriously, though, I don't have a problem with guns, but anyone with a violent felony should have restrictions clamped down instantly.
I think explosives should just be outright banned. there's no need to have explosives if you aren't in the army or maybe mining. Automatics and suppressors are ok with permits. Nothing else should be banned. Even semi automatic assault type weapons.
Reasons:
1) The little thing called the Second Amendment. If the government takes the Second Amendment away what stops them from taking the First or the Fifth?
2) Protection. If someone is planning to kill you do you think they really give a shit if their weapon is illegal? Life in prison for murder is a little more daunting than a couple years or a fine for owning a gun. A criminal isn't going to care about breaking a law to get a weapon, but the guy he murders probably didn't want to break the law and get a weapon to protect himself.
3) Right now I can legally go buy a handgun. So can a person who wants to murder someone. When the handgun is bought its serial number is registered. When the criminal kills someone and tries to ditch the gun and the cops find it that serial number gives them a suspect. Yes someone died but do you really think that a law against guns would stop someone from being able to get a gun? No it would just force them to do it illegally and then that serial number wouldn't be registered and the police wouldn't have a suspect.
4) First a clarification: you can legally own an assault weapon if it was manufactured before the date that the law banning assault weapons went into effect. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban ). So now lets say the government banned sports cars like that (why not; after all speeding is against the law and could harm or kill others and sports cars force you to speed the same way guns force you to murder people). So you could still own and even sell a sports car that was built before the ban. Then the next year all cars got banned. You still want a car so you go to your friend who collected all different cars. Which do you buy: the station wagon or the Camaro? If all guns were banned and you went to illegally buy a gun which would you buy: the little 9mm handgun or the .50 cal rifle? It's going to be the same jail time or fine for either so why not buy the .50? Some things are excessive, so make them illegal. But don't worry about the other things.
5) GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!!!! If someone shot me in the chest, in the moment I realize I'm dead I'm not going to think "that beretta just killed me," no I'll think "that asshole with the beretta just killed me." A gun in my hand doesn't shoot itself. I pull the trigger, I make the choice. If pulling the trigger is illegal it's not my gun's fault, it's mine.
If you really want to stop gun related violence then increase the punishments for people who use guns for violent crimes. When you get that guy in the courtroom for first degree murder with a handgun don't give him life in prison with parole after 20 years if he's good. Hell no life with to parole. If you're in Texas or some other state that still uses the death penalty remind him that each time he gets into a fight in prison you'll skip him ahead a bit in the line to that needle. Don't punish me because some guy in New York decided to shoot someone in a dark alley and take their wallet. I didn't make that choice. My gun didn't make that choice. Punish the guy who pulled the trigger. And if it's too hard to catch the guy then maybe the money going into passing the next gun banning laws should go into researching new methods of evidence collecting? A typical American citizen shouldn't become collateral damage because the government is either incapable or unwilling to fight gun crimes the fair and just way.
Reasons:
1) The little thing called the Second Amendment. If the government takes the Second Amendment away what stops them from taking the First or the Fifth?
2) Protection. If someone is planning to kill you do you think they really give a shit if their weapon is illegal? Life in prison for murder is a little more daunting than a couple years or a fine for owning a gun. A criminal isn't going to care about breaking a law to get a weapon, but the guy he murders probably didn't want to break the law and get a weapon to protect himself.
3) Right now I can legally go buy a handgun. So can a person who wants to murder someone. When the handgun is bought its serial number is registered. When the criminal kills someone and tries to ditch the gun and the cops find it that serial number gives them a suspect. Yes someone died but do you really think that a law against guns would stop someone from being able to get a gun? No it would just force them to do it illegally and then that serial number wouldn't be registered and the police wouldn't have a suspect.
4) First a clarification: you can legally own an assault weapon if it was manufactured before the date that the law banning assault weapons went into effect. ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Assault_Weapons_Ban ). So now lets say the government banned sports cars like that (why not; after all speeding is against the law and could harm or kill others and sports cars force you to speed the same way guns force you to murder people). So you could still own and even sell a sports car that was built before the ban. Then the next year all cars got banned. You still want a car so you go to your friend who collected all different cars. Which do you buy: the station wagon or the Camaro? If all guns were banned and you went to illegally buy a gun which would you buy: the little 9mm handgun or the .50 cal rifle? It's going to be the same jail time or fine for either so why not buy the .50? Some things are excessive, so make them illegal. But don't worry about the other things.
5) GUNS DON'T KILL PEOPLE!!!! If someone shot me in the chest, in the moment I realize I'm dead I'm not going to think "that beretta just killed me," no I'll think "that asshole with the beretta just killed me." A gun in my hand doesn't shoot itself. I pull the trigger, I make the choice. If pulling the trigger is illegal it's not my gun's fault, it's mine.
If you really want to stop gun related violence then increase the punishments for people who use guns for violent crimes. When you get that guy in the courtroom for first degree murder with a handgun don't give him life in prison with parole after 20 years if he's good. Hell no life with to parole. If you're in Texas or some other state that still uses the death penalty remind him that each time he gets into a fight in prison you'll skip him ahead a bit in the line to that needle. Don't punish me because some guy in New York decided to shoot someone in a dark alley and take their wallet. I didn't make that choice. My gun didn't make that choice. Punish the guy who pulled the trigger. And if it's too hard to catch the guy then maybe the money going into passing the next gun banning laws should go into researching new methods of evidence collecting? A typical American citizen shouldn't become collateral damage because the government is either incapable or unwilling to fight gun crimes the fair and just way.
I don't mind guns... However, I think they should be banned where I live... at least, from being in public...
People here want it to be legal to carry a firearm in public... Under the condition that their gun is unloaded...
So basically people want to carry around a paper weight..? Some might say, "well, if someone trys to rob me, I'll whip my gun out and scare them off"... Which wouldn't work since they'd know your gun is empty... and in case it wasn't empty, and you shot them, you'd be the one who goes to jail... so whats the point...
So anyway... I believe, as long as you keep the firearms for protection/hobby or use for hunting, its totally okay...
People here want it to be legal to carry a firearm in public... Under the condition that their gun is unloaded...
So basically people want to carry around a paper weight..? Some might say, "well, if someone trys to rob me, I'll whip my gun out and scare them off"... Which wouldn't work since they'd know your gun is empty... and in case it wasn't empty, and you shot them, you'd be the one who goes to jail... so whats the point...
So anyway... I believe, as long as you keep the firearms for protection/hobby or use for hunting, its totally okay...
I think i've said this before, so i might be repeating myself, but:
I don't like guns.
I really don't like guns.
I REALLY don't like guns.
I REALLY don't like guns.
So, while i might understand that some people like to have one for some reason, i would not like to live in a country where it's legal for most people to own one.
I don't like guns.
I really don't like guns.
I REALLY don't like guns.
I REALLY don't like guns.
So, while i might understand that some people like to have one for some reason, i would not like to live in a country where it's legal for most people to own one.
I've seen too many groups of chavs relying on numbers alone or knives to be dangerous to think that no guns = no risk. Besides, I feel that it is easier for a free individual to make their own safety than it is for a safe individual to make their own freedom, so some level of self-defence is always going to be a concern of mine.Serris said:if all guns are banned, you wouldn't have to defend yourself.annoyinglizardvoice said:I'm always a little against guns because I find them a somewhat lazy and inresponsible way for a non-soldier to fight.
I do however think that self-defence is an important right, so would be willing to accept them as a compromise if we can't go back to everyone carrying a sword
OT: i believe all guns should be banned. not weapons though, as "weapon" is just too vague. a baseball bat can be used as a weapon, when you do an unarmed martial art, you ARE a weapon.
no guns = no stupid people with guns = less retarded accidents involving guns.
I agree with that comment about the uses of the word "weapon"
Gun controll in Norway works exellent, very few deaths are caused by guns.
everytime someone gets shot the murderer is arrested, due to the few guns in the country.
we've never had a schoolshooting ever!
You hear that? Monarchy, free healtchare, liberal sexuall visions, socialism and gun control!
hell yeah!
everytime someone gets shot the murderer is arrested, due to the few guns in the country.
we've never had a schoolshooting ever!
You hear that? Monarchy, free healtchare, liberal sexuall visions, socialism and gun control!
hell yeah!
Some of it should stay how it is now. All types of guns (even automatics if one carries a special license for one) should be legal when sold by one with a permit allowing him to sell said guns. Guns should not be sold to ones with a criminal record involving violent behavior, you must be 18 to be allowed full access to a firearm (strong parental guidance when younger).
Police having guns is still fine in my books. I'm in the UK, so gangs having guns isn't as large a problem as it seems to be elsewhere (it's just the gangs themselves that are the problemDimensional Vortex said:Swords are hard to make and very cumbersome, also they require a good amount of training and concentration to wield so you don't end up cutting yourself. Imagine if we only carried swords, when the mob gets involved with importing illegal weapons a sword isn't going to do shit against a machine gun, if the cops were using swords and the mob got their hands on guns they could literally take over the entire town. But then on second thought, a sword would be total bad ass and it would encourage people to go outside and train with them reducing the overweight population.annoyinglizardvoice said:I'm always a little against guns because I find them a somewhat lazy and inresponsible way for a non-soldier to fight.
I do however think that self-defence is an important right, so would be willing to accept them as a compromise if we can't go back to everyone carrying a sword
)The expercise part of using them is one of the main reasons that I find swords so cool.
Well, I quite like how things are now in my country. You cannot own a gun for self-defence, you must be able to offer proof that the weapon is used for the purpose it was acquired for, and the types of guns you're allowed own are very tightly regulated.
I think that people should be able to have guns for jobs that require their use, hunting, collecting, and sports. Owning a gun for security isn't justifiable here -- if you think you absolutely need one for defending yourself, you need help because you are either incredibly paranoid or you yourself are a criminal who's gotten themselves into trouble with, I dunno, the Russian mafia or something.
I think that people should be able to have guns for jobs that require their use, hunting, collecting, and sports. Owning a gun for security isn't justifiable here -- if you think you absolutely need one for defending yourself, you need help because you are either incredibly paranoid or you yourself are a criminal who's gotten themselves into trouble with, I dunno, the Russian mafia or something.
I think a ban, or at least heavy restictions, of certain weapons (Such as explosives or full auto guns) is prefectly reasonable, I mean unless a horde of orcs or something is coming after you, you really don't need anything beyond a basic hunting rifle or a pistol.