Poll: Halo Wars vs EndWar

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Bulletinmybrain post=9.73786.809347 said:
And U.S has israel. Israel rules the middle east basically. They could control a lot of the oil of the world if they wanted.
Yeah, many analysises (anyone know the plural for analysis because I'm almost certain it's not that?) have the US using Israeli military power and land as a base for control of strategic resources in the Middle East and Mediterranean.
 

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Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809364 said:
Bulletinmybrain post=9.73786.809347 said:
And U.S has israel. Israel rules the middle east basically. They could control a lot of the oil of the world if they wanted.
Yeah, many analysis's(maybe?) (anyone know the plural for analysis because I'm almost certain it's not that?) have the US using Israeli military power and land as a base for control of strategic resources in the Middle East and Mediterranean.
Anyways can't tell if thats being sarcastic but the U.S is taking quite a liking to israel and working quite a bit with them.
 

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There is every reason to believe the U.S. will continue to be a major international power. You don't have to think that way, but calling people who do "stupid" seems like sour grapes at best; in addition to being wrong.

Personally, I'm looking forward to Halo Wars more. The Halo universe started as an RTS, after all. Ensemble Studios is responsible for Age of Empires, which is enough for me to be excited about their next contribution to gaming, even if they are driven by Microsoft's whip. Plus, I played the End War beta. Didn't like the direction the game took.
 

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Bulletinmybrain post=9.73786.809388 said:
Anyways can't tell if thats being sarcastic but the U.S is taking quite a liking to israel and working quite a bit with them.
It wasn't sarcasm, it's true.

Rooster Cogburn post=9.73786.809397 said:
Ensemble Studios is responsible for Age of Empires, which is enough for me to be excited about their next contribution to gaming, even if they are driven by Microsoft's whip. Plus, I played the End War beta. Didn't like the direction the game took.
I'm just pointing out that Ensemble has always been driven by Microsoft's whip, maybe their being whipped a bit harder this time though.

And could I ask for specific faults with EndWar? I'm quite curious to know.
 

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urprobablyright post=9.73786.809403 said:
Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.808771 said:
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Halo Wars is a prequel spin-off to the Halo series developed by the soon to be late Ensemble Studios.
'soon to be late?' NOOOOOO, no more AOE? no chance to right the incredible wrongs of AOE III? Actually come to think of it yeah they should be shot for aoe 3...
Yep. Ensemble Studios will be closed down right after Halo Wars is released. They already laid-off all the non-essential staff; only the people required to finish Halo Wars are still there. No word yet on exactly WHY they are closing down.
 

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Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809364 said:
Bulletinmybrain post=9.73786.809347 said:
And U.S has israel. Israel rules the middle east basically. They could control a lot of the oil of the world if they wanted.
Yeah, many analysises (anyone know the plural for analysis because I'm almost certain it's not that?) have the US using Israeli military power and land as a base for control of strategic resources in the Middle East and Mediterranean.
Analyses, I believe. I am actually looking forward to both. I am a big fan of Halo and AOE both, and Halo Wars is looking pretty good from what I have seen. As a bonus, you can play the single player cooperatively over XBL.

End War is also looking pretty good. From what I can tell, you can only see from the point of view of your units so that adds a new dimension of scouting and intelligence. And voice command is damn cool.
 

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Raven28256 post=9.73786.809435 said:
Yep. Ensemble Studios will be closed down right after Halo Wars is released. They already laid-off all the non-essential staff; only the people required to finish Halo Wars are still there. No word yet on exactly WHY they are closing down.
I believe I heard in an interview with some senior members of Ensemble that it was to reallocate resources. And most of the talent at Ensemble is being put with some new hirings and people from other shut down studios into a new studio. Don't make much sense to me but I'm no accountant.

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urprobablyright post=9.73786.809403 said:
Tom Clancy making an RTS? that's like George bush going in to school teaching.
Why would that be?
I second that query, such statements should always have justification.
 

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Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809414 said:
I'm just pointing out that Ensemble has always been driven by Microsoft's whip, maybe their being whipped a bit harder this time though.

And could I ask for specific faults with EndWar? I'm quite curious to know.
Not true, Ensemble started in '96 and was not acquired by Microsoft until '01, well after The Conquerors. Also, they had little to do with Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds. That was developed by Lucas Arts, it only made use of the AoE engine, Genie.

There isn't much to say about specifics concerning Endwar, because it was awfully simplistic. True, there can be great depth of strategy even with simple mechanics, but that only goes so far. You only had a few units, and precious little each unit could do. I like the depth of AoE, so Endwar just isn't for me.
 

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Rooster Cogburn post=9.73786.809473 said:
Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809414 said:
I'm just pointing out that Ensemble has always been driven by Microsoft's whip, maybe their being whipped a bit harder this time though.

And could I ask for specific faults with EndWar? I'm quite curious to know.
Not true, Ensemble started in '96 and was not acquired by Microsoft until '01, well after The Conquerors. Also, they had little to do with Star Wars: Galactic Battlegrounds. That was developed by Lucas Arts, it only made use of the AoE engine, Genie.

There isn't much to say about specifics concerning Endwar, because it was awfully simplistic. True, there can be great depth of strategy even with simple mechanics, but that only goes so far. You only had a few units, and precious little each unit could do. I like the depth of AoE, so Endwar just isn't for me.
Sorry then, but weren't all those games published by Microsoft?

And thank you for detailing your complaints.

EDIT: By all those games I mean all the AoE games and Galactic Battlegrounds.
 

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Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809481 said:
Sorry then, but weren't all those games published by Microsoft?

And thank you for detailing your complaints.

EDIT: By all those games I mean all the AoE games and Galactic Battlegrounds.
Ah, yes, they were indeed published by Microsoft. I wouldn't have thought much of that, but who knows what influence that might have given MS? I am aware I was playing a beta, but all the same, the Endwar beta was so shallow I wanted to pull my hair out.

EDIT: It seems Galactic Battlegrounds was published by Lucas Arts. But that game wasn't developed by ES, and they don't even list it on their site.
 

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Eldritch Warlord post=9.73786.809463 said:
Ivoryagent post=9.73786.809445 said:
urprobablyright post=9.73786.809403 said:
Tom Clancy making an RTS? that's like George bush going in to school teaching.
Why would that be?
I second that query, such statements should always have justification.
I'm going to go ahead and third it. After all, most Tom Clancy games are tactical shooters that require much more thought and strategy than your typical "Shoot EVERY-FUCKING-THING!!!!" spastic gameplay of some shooters; making an actual strategy game in the Tom Clancy brand isn't a huge stretch of the imagination.

EDIT for response:

Firstly, again, Tom Clancy has about as much to do with "his" games as Walt Disney has to do with most of Disney's movies.

Secondly, that isn't exactly true. His books aren't about the Special Forces; they are mostly political thrillers with a heavy focus on the CIA and a lot of realistic military (Particularly the Navy) action. I question if you have ever read a Tom Clancy novel with that statement, and are instead just assuming that his novels are all like "his" games. The ONLY Tom Clancy novel that had anything to do with Special Forces is Rainbow Six, and the fact that one of the main characters of his novels is a former SEAL. But indeed, the main character of Tom Clancy's novels isn't in the Special Forces, and never was; he is a CIA analyst that eventually works his way up to be the Deputy Director.

Actually, Tom Clancy's second novel was much like EndWar. His second novel was Red Storm Rising, which was a WWIII scenario with NATO fending off an invasion of West Germany by the USSR in the late 1980s. Also, the last several hundred pages of Executive Orders are about a massive war in the Middle East between a new country called the United Islamic Republic (A merged Iraq and Iran following the assassination of Saddam at the hands of an Iranian sleeper agent) and a united coalition of America, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait. Tom Clancy has done large scale conflicts in his novels before; they aren't about Special Forces like you seem to think. Of course this is a moot point because he has nothing to do with the games. Then there is The Bear and the Dragon, which is about a war between Russia and China over resources.

So no, EndWar isn't some strange new concept for the Tom Clancy brand. The games, perhaps, but not for the novels. Tom Clancy has done large conflicts in his novels before, and if anything, Endwar is sort of like a spiritual video game adaptation of his second novel, Red Storm Rising. Different settings and stories, but same core concept.

So don't assume that Tom Clancy's novels are like the games and are all about the Special Forces; they aren't. They are primarily about the CIA and politics, with military operations and wars thrown in here and there.
 

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Halo wars; voice commands sounds like my commands will get messed up if there is background noise or if I'm sick. I don't know how it will work so I'm afraid of:
me: all units go north
me: no that's too far north
me: er come back
me: no, back is not north!
 

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I dont know what your talkin about Bored Tomatoe, wet sponges ftw
But I will probably rent them both because I just dont buy RTSes(RTSs?(Rts's?))
But gun to my head I'd get Halo Wars because I like the halo universe better and I need some micorsoft points (I'm such a whore for those things)
 

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Sp0ck_z0mbi3 post=9.73786.809576 said:
I dont know what your talkin about Bored Tomatoe, wet sponges ftw
But I will probably rent them both because I just dont buy RTSes(RTSs?(Rts's?))
But gun to my head I'd get Halo Wars because I like the halo universe better and I need some micorsoft points (I'm such a whore for those things)
RTS's is proper, and do you mean achievement points?

I'm such a whore for those as well, I even did that stupid gnome achievement in the Orange Box. 92 out of 99 achievements in that game!

Since I haven't come out and stated my opinion I'm gonna say Halo Wars firstly for my Halo fanship, secondly for my love of Ensemble, thirdly because I'm skepticle on voice commands.