Poll: Harry Potter problem

[Evil Alpaca]

It doesn't matter if it was in the books or not, it came from the creator of the canon, who is the only person who can edit, create and delete said canon. Therefore, it becomes canon. You can call it cheesy, but you can't deny its validity.

Meesa Jar Jar Binks. Meesa going to crap on your favorite movies.


I understand your point about the creator having full rights to alter their work as they see fit, but as my above sentence shows, it can be a painful process.


OT:
I think most of the people who rage about Dumbledore's preferences do so because it doesn't fit their perception of the character; and there is a grain of truth to it.

Dumbledore's sexuality didn't really need explaining for most of the books because he was this mysterious wizard that Harry never truly knew. It seemed tacked on, in part because there was little evidence in the books that Dumbledore even knew what sex was, let alone had any. His sexuality was not a defining characteristic and so, when Rowling announces that he is gay, it seemed less about Dumbledore's character than grabbing real-world headlines. Since, his sexuality is never blatantly stated in the books, it becomes easier for fans to ignore Rowling's statements and interpret the book as they want.

 

[Yearlongjester]

So the question is, do I want to be able to use FREAKING AWESOME MAGIC or keep my current life?

Look I'm happy with my life, I've gone through a ton of hurdles and am a better person for it. And I would've had the same issues but throw magic into the mix and it's probably 10,000 times worse.

But I could use freaking magic, that's beyond insanely awesome. The guy from the Dos Equis commercials would give you the look of death if you DIDN'T go back and become a wizard.

Now would I use my magic prowess for good, or for selfish? That's a more interesting question

 

[Infernai]

As far as Im concerned he and McGonagall were banging every other week.

*Shudders* URRGHHHH!!! Great! Now you've gone and placed that picture into my mind, I HOPE YOU'RE PROUD OF YOURSELF! Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go take a cold shower and cry myself to sleep so i can eradicate the image of that....coupling from my mind.

*goes into shower and screams* THE DIRT WON'T COME OOOOOFFFFFF!!!!

 

[Fanfic_warper]

you know what, frak what anyone says, I love the books and I'm 21, considered to be wierd if I get into the children's books section at my local B&N. I'd love to have recieved a hogwarts letter, though for as much as I love Gryffndor, I'd be in Ravenclaw.

 

[silent-treatment]

*sigh* Is there like a rule kind of like Godwin's Law except the topic of Homosexuality? Jeepers can we get through a simple topic without an overly long conversation about homophobia?

OT: I just got back from Comikaze and it made me realize that in like 10 years, Harry P. is still gonna have conventions. So many others can be obsessed like you...and half the world.

 

[NightHawk21]

It doesn't matter if it was in the books or not, it came from the creator of the canon, who is the only person who can edit, create and delete said canon. Therefore, it becomes canon. You can call it cheesy, but you can't deny its validity.

Meesa Jar Jar Binks. Meesa going to crap on your favorite movies.


I understand your point about the creator having full rights to alter their work as they see fit, but as my above sentence shows, it can be a painful process.


OT:
I think most of the people who rage about Dumbledore's preferences do so because it doesn't fit their perception of the character; and there is a grain of truth to it.

Dumbledore's sexuality didn't really need explaining for most of the books because he was this mysterious wizard that Harry never truly knew. It seemed tacked on, in part because there was little evidence in the books that Dumbledore even knew what sex was, let alone had any. His sexuality was not a defining characteristic and so, when Rowling announces that he is gay, it seemed less about Dumbledore's character than grabbing real-world headlines. Since, his sexuality is never blatantly stated in the books, it becomes easier for fans to ignore Rowling's statements and interpret the book as they want.

That's pretty much how it was with me. As soon as she said that and it got all this attention it became a almost like a forced defining trait of the character. I don't know how to really explain it, but it killed some of the mystery that surrounded him for me.

I refuse to believe Dumbledores gay, sorry not in the main books not canon.
As far as Im concerned he and McGonagall were banging every other week.

So your ok with non canon hetrosexual relationships but not that he was gay? You disgusting homophobe. Just shut the fuck up, JK says he was gay, that means he was gay. At any rate McGonagall was married before she was at Hogwarts, she wouldn't be having sex with Dumbledore.

Reported, and I hope you get some of the good old mod wrath. You deserve it.

OT: I really like the books, the films kinda suck, and boy oh boy the ending in both the films and the books sucks ass. Why the fuck did he come back to life? If you ask me, he should have stayed dead. Would have been perfect. Instead we get some super happy fun time bullshit. Rowling seems to have forgotten that the main audience for the books is now actually teenagers and adults. Most of us fans were kids when the first book hit the shelfs, but adults or damn near adults now.

Sorry? I deserve mod wrath? Really?? Homophobia doesn't but defending gays does?

Because saying you dont want a character to be different from an image you held throughout your entire childhood is SO homophobic, right? Did he say that Dumbledore deserved to die because he was gay? Did he say that he refused to believe it because he hated homosexuals? He said nothing of the sort.

So yes, you do. When you get your suspension/ban, use the free time to google "homophobia", since you obviously have no idea what it means. The guy you replied to may well be homophobic, I have no idea, but nothing he said hinted toward it.

The ponts he made were
1. I dont believe anything not in the books
2. Dumbledore can't be gay because it wasnt in the books
3. I believe he was Fucking McGonnagal

I see a slight disagreementr between 2 of the the 3 statements there. The fact that hes will to believe in a non cannon Heterosexual relationship but not a gay one, infact, doesn't only make him a homophobe but also a bit of a hypocrite.

Actually, I'm going to disagree with you Kill. All he said was that Dumbledore being gay wasn't in the books and he chooses to believe that he and Minerva were in some sort of relationship in "his interpretation of the events". So no, its no hypocritical.

Also, I tend to agree with Smash and CODE. I never got the hint of him being gay in the books I read, and I did sort of get the feeling that he and minerva were "really" close throughout the books (maybe sometime in the past). So my opinion is that Rowling's statement much like MW2's No Russian mission was just a publicity stunt to stir up free advertising.

Also you got mod wrath cause you were a downright prick in your first response.

 

[LobsterFeng]

I still think the final fight with Voldemort was the most anti-climatic thing ever. I liked how they tried to make it cooler in the movie, but even still you're thinking "That's it?! That's how he defeats the most powerful dark wizard of all time?!?!"

 

[Veylon]

Harry Potter had kind of a rough landing at the end. I'm not sure whether it was carelessness or Rowling came up against a deadline suddenly or what, but it was very rushed. I felt a bit disappointed that Draco never got a "turn over a new leaf" moment, nor Slytherin in general. A solid showing on the good side by that house in the final battle would've explained why on earth Hogwarts keeps educating them.

The epilogue was, well, bad, almost painfully so. If we're going to spend seven books following these characters and now we get a X years later bit, shouldn't we know a bit more about them? Hermionie, being the magic expert, would probably have done more than have Ron's baby. I was half-expecting her to be Minister of Magic or something. Then there's the reaction of Harry's son to being in House Slytherin, showing that the fear and resentment continues and that his father has taught him nothing. If Rowling wants to edit something out, why not the ending?

As for Dumbledore being gay, that was pointless. It's remniscent of the Catholic stance that "gay is okay: as long as you don't do anything gay". Naming someone as gay when that doesn't matter is doubly spineless. She can cave in to gay activists by offering a token gay and cave in to the anti-gay by avoiding anything gay "on stage". It's like the token Black Guy who gets shot first in the monster movie. If she wants to take a stand, let her put a homosexual relationship in the book and stand by it. She obviously wanted to pair people up at the end, so there's no lack of material.

 

[Jacco]

snip

Who's the second guy?

 

[WeAreStevo]

I wouldn't say the end was too abrupt for me. I'm just sad that it's over

I think the books are amazing. The movies blow. Then again, I'm one of those people that wants them to do a "complete unabridged Harry Potter live action movie" for each book. That would be amazing.

I think that it worked out fine. It made sense, and the final part of the book was nice closure from the "death-a-thon" that the 7th book became.

 

[Raddra]

Maybe it has something to do with the epilogue. JK Rowling said that she wanted the epilogue to be vague and not really full of details but I need those details.

Here, I found the books real ending for you.


It wraps up all the loose ends and also shows intelligence and preparation where it should have existed in the first place.

 

[Thaluikhain]

its all run rather incompetantly..main example is when wizard hitler comes back to life...the best resposnse is to PRETEND IT ISNT HAPPENING...regardless of ho much voldemort fucked up everything up first time around

That's seen as being influenced by the popular view of Chamberlain not declaring war on Germany until 39, though historically it wasn't quite that simple.

Though, it's another thing that makes me wonder about the Ministry of Magic. Sometimes it seems to be the wizards in Britain, sometimes it seems to be the wizards in the entire world.

Convincing the UK wizards you don't exist is all well and good, but if, say, the French are aware of you, it'll cause problems when you send agents to recruit giants or whatever.

...

Also...I shudder to think at the fanfic, but did the UK wizards follow the US into IRAQ to find magic invisible WMDs and stuff? Is the EU facing an economic crisis, with goblins refusing to bail out Greece, and werewolves taking everyone's jobs?

 

[ServebotFrank]

I tore out the final few pages. Utter garbage. That epilogue was an abomination and we shall never speak of it. Ever. "Albus severus".... what a contrived and childish end to a serious and surprisingly interesting "kids" book.

How so? He named his son after the two bravest people he ever knew, the two people who protected him throughout his childhood and giving their lives to do so, that's "childish" now? If anything, the whole thing with Snape is all about looking past superficial predudices and seeing people for who they truly are, which is a very mature concept which, sadly, a lot of people in this world, including adults, have yet to learn.

Dont get me wrong, snape was a brilliant character, my favourite in fact in both movie and book. I loved it. But the fact everyone married everyone else and had pretty little children all named after eachother was just... so cliche... and came off rather childish. A bit of a dissapointing end to a great book.

I tore out the final few pages. Utter garbage. That epilogue was an abomination and we shall never speak of it. Ever. "Albus severus".... what a contrived and childish end to a serious and surprisingly interesting "kids" book.

you ruined a book?? thats a disgrace!!!

OT: I thought the end was ok, not the best but not the worst

I must say i did so figuratively. I just finish the book when i re read it and pretend they are not there. I cant bring myself to damage a book physically.

I thought the point of the epilogue was to show that Harry had gained what he never had before. A peaceful life with his family. This was taken from him in his babyhood and the epilogue shows that he was able to experience it after becoming a father.

But Albus Severus is the worst name I've ever heard.

 

[Da Orky Man]

Watch Potter Puppet Pals, and you won't give a damn about the ending anymore.

As for the broken poll, I'd want to be a wizard if I still got to buy guns when I was old enough. Wand in one hand + Pistol in the other = Fuck yeah

Hogwarts is in England, which means no guns. So no gun-armed battlemages.

 

[Astoria]

I liked the ending. Sure it wasn't perfect but does anyone here have any idea how hard it is to write a perfect ending? It would be even harder for a series as popular as this. No matter what she did there would be a lot of people who didn't like it so she went with the ending she wanted for her books as she should've. I used to be quite obsessed with Harry Potter but I've moved on since and found a new obsession in Assassin's Creed.

 

[Jedoro]

Watch Potter Puppet Pals, and you won't give a damn about the ending anymore.

As for the broken poll, I'd want to be a wizard if I still got to buy guns when I was old enough. Wand in one hand + Pistol in the other = Fuck yeah

Hogwarts is in England, which means no guns. So no gun-armed battlemages.

I'm sure wizards could easily sneak them by Customs if they wanted to, though.

 

[Olrod]

Why don't you want Dumbledore to be gay? What's the problem there?

It was never announced that he was heterosexual, so why are you assuming he was?

 

[Caedus]

Like somebody said, there were 2 or 3 chapters missing after the Battle of Hogwarts. Chapters tying the loose ends, explaining what happens to every major characters and so on (instead of the interviews with Rowling).

I'm 20 and this series is one of my favourite. I'm even seriously considering re-reading it right now.

The epilogue is much too vague. That's the problem. There's no proper ending.

And the film adaptation of the final confrontation is stupid. Why is it that no one witness Voldemorts' death? ><

I didn't put any spoilers tag because I don't think anyone here on the Internet never read these awesome books or saw any of the movies.