Poll: 'Heavier' music,can it last?

[The Black Adder]

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God, I hope that after many years into the future of musical development people will not be calling Napalm Death or Carcass "classic".

'tis a thread about heavy music after all. And those are classic, timeless metal.

Ha ha. Come back and check that question in a few years and well see the consensus.

4 Words for you:

Rage Against The Machine.

I honestly can't see how their music won't carry on into the future, even if they don't record any thing else their music from the 90's is as still as meaningful now, and I think for any teenagers who want to rebel in the future, they'll know RATM.

If they don't they're deprived teenagers.

The only thing that Rage made me rebel against was myself for actually listening to a whole CD by them. And since you can't see, I'm going to assume you can't hear either? Maybe I've got this all wrong. What's so great about them that I am missing?

Honestly, it's just anpinion. You aren't right and you aren't wrong. You may not like them, but there are people out there that do. So what. You are entitled to your opinion.

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God, I hope that after many years into the future of musical development people will not be calling Napalm Death or Carcass "classic".

'tis a thread about heavy music after all. And those are classic, timeless metal.

Ha ha. Come back and check that question in a few years and well see the consensus.

4 Words for you:

Rage Against The Machine.

I honestly can't see how their music won't carry on into the future, even if they don't record any thing else their music from the 90's is as still as meaningful now, and I think for any teenagers who want to rebel in the future, they'll know RATM.

If they don't they're deprived teenagers.

The only thing that Rage made me rebel against was myself for actually listening to a whole CD by them. And since you can't see, I'm going to assume you can't hear either? Maybe I've got this all wrong. What's so great about them that I am missing?

Honestly, it's just anpinion. You aren't right and you aren't wrong. You may not like them, but there are people out there that do. So what. You are entitled to your opinion.

Sure everyone has an opinion but not everyone has taste. A lot of music that has little or no artistic value. Good music needs to stir one emotionally, creatively and imaginatively. It's needs to be performed with good musicianship. Maybe my view is going to be completely different because I'm a musician and I don't hear songs like most people do. I reflect upon my ability and my experience as a musician and compare it to what I am listening to. I dissect each instrument, examine it, and think on it, think of how I would play that.

 

[AgentNein]

Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense

And how do you suppose they find the music that they put on their ipods, generally speaking? Could it be...the radio? Why yes, I believe it is.

Like it or not, if a band gets major airplay, they're more apt to be remembered longer and by more people than some random 'underground' hardcore thrash band.

Sorry if this turns into a double-post.
Untrue, the vast majority of the music my friends and I listened to came of of videos we saw on youtube, or bands discovered there or places besides the radio.

The vast majority of your friends probably don't make a dent in the numbers of the vast majority of music listeners in general.

Not that this is a bad thing, I know I rarely listen to the radio. I know most of the people I hang out with don't listen to the radio much. I also realize that my friends are probably the minority on this (same way internet videogame message board posters are a very small portion of people in general), and my anecdotal evidence doesn't sway the statistical evidence.

 

[kellenheller]

Sure everyone has an opinion but not everyone has taste. A lot of music that has little or no artistic value. Good music needs to stir one emotionally, creatively and imaginatively. It's needs to be performed with good musicianship. Maybe my view is going to be completely different because I'm a musician and I don't hear songs like most people do. I reflect upon my ability and my experience as a musician and compare it to what I am listening to. I dissect each instrument, examine it, and think on it, think of how I would play that.[/quote]

I'm a musician as well so I do in fact understand what you are saying about dissecting every instrument, but however not all musicians are narrow minded about the music that they hear. There are good things and bad things about some of the music listed in this topic but however, yes, their are bands that have a staying power like Carcass or Burzum or Death. Just because you are a musician and know how to play doesn't mean that you can put on a show.

 

[new_age_reject]

Ah,well thanks for clearing that up and i accept that you dont particularly like it,many people dont,and you make a point about it being too heavy for the radio stations,but maybe the radio needs to broaden its horizons?or dedicate time for that music or whatever...

Well, it's more that that kind of music has content that the FCC finds... undesirable.

So the FCC finds problems in heavy music that can have meaningful lyrics,even if theyre not 100% audible,but still lets Pop music get away with crap like
''guns dont kill people,rappers do''
''ill take my clothes off and it will be shameless,because everyone knows thats how you get famous''
''Ooooh you touch my ding ding dong''
''smack my ***** up''
''feet down,ass up,thats the way i like to fuck''...for the masses to hear?

total BS...

Now I realise that this post was a made a while ago but:
Goldie Looking Chain are a joke band. Don't take them seriously.
And The Prodigy are what little good is left of that genre, just because it's electronic and the lyrics aren't necessarily deep and heartfelt don't mean it's BS, it is dance after all.

Ok,you have a fair point...i know that Goldie Lookin' Chain are a joke band...i find their music pretty damn funny myself...i kinda added the 'guns dont kill people,rappers do' to make my post look better =P but on the other hand,if a total dick flap was listening to them and for some reason took them seriously its a bad message =P
And as for Prodigy...i know its dance music and is probably better than most of the other shit thats out there,but i still cant stand them...

Yeah I guess, there are a great deal of idiots out there.
And fair enough, your own opinion and all that.

 

[AgentNein]

ote] Sure everyone has an opinion but not everyone has taste. A lot of music that has little or no artistic value. Good music needs to stir one emotionally, creatively and imaginatively. It's needs to be performed with good musicianship. Maybe my view is going to be completely different because I'm a musician and I don't hear songs like most people do. I reflect upon my ability and my experience as a musician and compare it to what I am listening to. I dissect each instrument, examine it, and think on it, think of how I would play that.

I'm a musician as well so I do in fact understand what you are saying about dissecting every instrument, but however not all musicians are narrow minded about the music that they hear. There are good things and bad things about some of the music listed in this topic but however, yes, their are bands that have a staying power like Carcass or Burzum or Death. Just because you are a musician and know how to play doesn't mean that you can put on a show.

Yes. Some great bands for instance know how to write a killer hook, a catchy tune, yet they're technically horrible musicians. Does that mean they're defaulted to a 'bad music' status? No.

The opposite is also true. I've seen many local metal bands that are technically amazing musicians. Much better than me. Yet they're up on stage staring down at their strings as their fingers meander through impressive but ultimately boring for anybody else licks. Does that make them bad? No.

In the end, there's a lot that goes into making a band. A lot of ways a band can succeed or fail. And it's completely subjective as to what you hold a higher priority on. I personally don't give a shit about what a lot of you metal fans give a shit about with music, and hey that's okay. Because it's all subjective.

And on that note, this goes out to the OP. Don't ever apologize for listening to Avenged Sevenfold. To anybody, I don't care how metal they are. I can't stand most metal, but I've heard a few of there songs and they're fucking catchy stuff. In that regard, they beat the shit out of most other metal bands. And I guarantee you they wouldn't get as much hate as they do if they weren't too 'mainstream' for the 'underground' crowd.

 

[Chunkyfudgelover]

Apologies for how angry I sounded, and don't think I was attacking you personally though in retrospect it certainly came across that way.
But what I said was not opinion but actual fact, why do you think Greenday started dressing like 12yr olds? Why did Paparoach start wear eyeliner? Because their record companies employ people specifically to pick up on trends that make money for the company. End of story. You think Hendrix was worried about catching the attention of the 16-20yr old suburban dwelling male? No. But the reason these shitty bands are even in circulation is because they will make lots of money for the people who put them there.

Anyway, I never even contributed in any way to the topic at hand, the bands you mentioned will not live forever like the likes of The Who and so on. I really hate the way music is these days, it's all so bland and mediocre with no envelopes being pushed whatsoever, and the bands that actually are good won't ever dig their way in peoples psyches enough to be deemed 'timeless classics'.

Much as you want your favourite bands to be remembered forever I reckon they will only find a 'legendary' status amongst the circles who listen to 'em.
Devin Townsend is a genius and god amongst men but he's not ever gonna get lifetime achievement awards or anyt5hing along those lines.
'Loud music' or metal if you will, is never going to get the same amount of respect as other genres primarily because people are idiots!

 

[D3athBat]

ote] Sure everyone has an opinion but not everyone has taste. A lot of music that has little or no artistic value. Good music needs to stir one emotionally, creatively and imaginatively. It's needs to be performed with good musicianship. Maybe my view is going to be completely different because I'm a musician and I don't hear songs like most people do. I reflect upon my ability and my experience as a musician and compare it to what I am listening to. I dissect each instrument, examine it, and think on it, think of how I would play that.

I'm a musician as well so I do in fact understand what you are saying about dissecting every instrument, but however not all musicians are narrow minded about the music that they hear. There are good things and bad things about some of the music listed in this topic but however, yes, their are bands that have a staying power like Carcass or Burzum or Death. Just because you are a musician and know how to play doesn't mean that you can put on a show.

Yes. Some great bands for instance know how to write a killer hook, a catchy tune, yet they're technically horrible musicians. Does that mean they're defaulted to a 'bad music' status? No.

The opposite is also true. I've seen many local metal bands that are technically amazing musicians. Much better than me. Yet they're up on stage staring down at their strings as their fingers meander through impressive but ultimately boring for anybody else licks. Does that make them bad? No.

In the end, there's a lot that goes into making a band. A lot of ways a band can succeed or fail. And it's completely subjective as to what you hold a higher priority on. I personally don't give a shit about what a lot of you metal fans give a shit about with music, and hey that's okay. Because it's all subjective.

And on that note, this goes out to the OP. Don't ever apologize for listening to Avenged Sevenfold. To anybody, I don't care how metal they are. I can't stand most metal, but I've heard a few of there songs and they're fucking catchy stuff. In that regard, they beat the shit out of most other metal bands. And I guarantee you they wouldn't get as much hate as they do if they weren't too 'mainstream' for the 'underground' crowd.

Thanks man
I havent apologised,and i never would...i love listening to Avenged Sevenfold and that my descision...fuck,im a stubborn bastard so id defend them till the end =P
I think their music is awesome and that they beat a lot of bands hands down...and being a little mainstream cant be that bad if they sound that good...

But then again,i respect the fact that everyone has an opinion...
But i still think that mine is right =P

 

[Mr_spamamam]

it often takes a long time before you hear a band that you think is great. took me ages to find stuff like dragonforce and s.o.d. mind you,i'll listen to anything once. you never know if you dont have a go

 

[kellenheller]

I recently got into the band Baroness. Totally stoner metal type stuff but the first time I heard Isak off of The Red Album, I was hooked. That drum beat at the beginning of the song was fucking killer.

 

[metalhead848]

I'm not quite sure where to begin so i will start with just randomly correcting people whos posts i remembered

Cradle of Filth is not a very good example of black metal, they are a very experimental gothic band. Real black metal, which i wouldnt be surprised if that CoF fan hasnt heard of, includes darkthrone, mayhem, burzum, etc.

This brings me to the guy saying that Eric Clapton dangled a baby out of his window... Euronymous of Mayhem ate his guitarists brains and Varg Vikernes of Burzum murdered him, while they both ran around burning down churches. I'm sorry but metal wins in the extreme category. (for the record i love classic rock and have led zeppelin posters hanging from my walls and eric clapton on my computer). And if you dont like classic rock, you have to at least respect it and acknowledge that it was the cornerstone for all the subgenres of metal and just rock music in general.

Also some guy asked someone else their favorite death metal album... mine is watershed by opeth. That album is magical in every song and if you are one of those people who dismisses metal and banging and screaming into a microphone, i urge you to listen to a few tracks off of it.

I do think its worth pointing out that 20 years ago people where banging their heads to the same slayer songs as they are today-- and seem to be showing no signs of stopping.

To the Avenged Sevenfold fan: They suck and are fake poser metal like korn or slipknot. You arent helping make metal a credible form of music by listening to them, youre tearing apart the fabric of society.

Metal isn't music you like when you first listen to it. It's actually alot like wine in that you have to develop a taste for it. But once you do, a whole world of music the extent of which you didnt know, opens up to you and you end up some idiot like me rambling about music most people dont listen to over the internet to a bunch of people i dont even know, so I'll stop this post for now.

Most Black Metal fans are just as lame as your "poser metal" fans. "Woah, the singer killed himself and the drummer ate his brains, while the bassist stabbed the guitarist to death." I guess that means they are cool? Sounds more like they are full of shit.

I dont think that makes them cool or tough or anything besides criminals, i was making the point that comparing music and saying yours is more meaningful because the artist did something crazy isnt a good point, especially not when metal is the music youre comparing yours to.

 

[BIGpanda]

honestly there are vary few bands in our time that encourage me to think of them as exemplary in the foundations of excellency, classic if you may. this may sound biased and maybe I'm not digging hard enough (then again I'm not a fan of music. I used to play acoustic with my father but I find my talents in that category more a hobby than a lifestyle) but the only band I've that's atleast caught my attention is apocalyptica.

the band itself I feel is still searching for it's main sting, I've created an imaginary yet horrifying passionate hatred for the drummer and I just can't find it in myself to like anyone believing they look approachable human nothing but black jeans and winter gloves in the break inside a closed dome (fuck you perttu, you ****)

but then I can't help but feel to take my words back because this this entire team performs all of their songs...with cellos...that's +50 for originality.

 

[thefrizzlefry]

What do you think the best Death album is?

Leprosy or Symbolic

QFT. Both are good, but you can't really put one Death Album over another(Except for spiritual healing but even then it's sort of a close call). These are just my two favorites.

You might be able to make an argument for Sound of Perseverance being the best, but mostly because of the Painkiller cover.

What do you mean? I thought Sound of Persevernce was great!

That's what I was saying. I meant you might be able to make a case for SOP being the BEST Death album.

 

[j1-2themax]

See, I'm one of the lucky ones who lives in a city with a radio station that isn't afraid to play your Avenged Sevenfolds and your Disturbeds, which is why it continues to be the only radio station I will consistently listen to.

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

Machine Head. I am so glad I started listening to heavier music.

 

[hxcfreak]

out of curiosity anybody listen to Dr. Aucla, Vanna, August Burns red, or As I Lay Dying?

 

[TRR]

ote] Sure everyone has an opinion but not everyone has taste. A lot of music that has little or no artistic value. Good music needs to stir one emotionally, creatively and imaginatively. It's needs to be performed with good musicianship. Maybe my view is going to be completely different because I'm a musician and I don't hear songs like most people do. I reflect upon my ability and my experience as a musician and compare it to what I am listening to. I dissect each instrument, examine it, and think on it, think of how I would play that.

I'm a musician as well so I do in fact understand what you are saying about dissecting every instrument, but however not all musicians are narrow minded about the music that they hear. There are good things and bad things about some of the music listed in this topic but however, yes, their are bands that have a staying power like Carcass or Burzum or Death. Just because you are a musician and know how to play doesn't mean that you can put on a show.

Yes. Some great bands for instance know how to write a killer hook, a catchy tune, yet they're technically horrible musicians. Does that mean they're defaulted to a 'bad music' status? No.

The opposite is also true. I've seen many local metal bands that are technically amazing musicians. Much better than me. Yet they're up on stage staring down at their strings as their fingers meander through impressive but ultimately boring for anybody else licks. Does that make them bad? No.

In the end, there's a lot that goes into making a band. A lot of ways a band can succeed or fail. And it's completely subjective as to what you hold a higher priority on. I personally don't give a shit about what a lot of you metal fans give a shit about with music, and hey that's okay. Because it's all subjective.

And on that note, this goes out to the OP. Don't ever apologize for listening to Avenged Sevenfold. To anybody, I don't care how metal they are. I can't stand most metal, but I've heard a few of there songs and they're fucking catchy stuff. In that regard, they beat the shit out of most other metal bands. And I guarantee you they wouldn't get as much hate as they do if they weren't too 'mainstream' for the 'underground' crowd.

Thanks man
I havent apologised,and i never would...i love listening to Avenged Sevenfold and that my descision...fuck,im a stubborn bastard so id defend them till the end =P
I think their music is awesome and that they beat a lot of bands hands down...and being a little mainstream cant be that bad if they sound that good...

But then again,i respect the fact that everyone has an opinion...
But i still think that mine is right =P

I'm sorry to be such a spoil-sport but Avenged Sevenfold isn't metal. Don't think I have anything against them though, they're one of my favourite bands, they just happen to be not metal. Go look it up. Here is the website for all that is metal, I hope you find it useful.
www.metal-archives.com

Also, I suggest to everyone reading this that you watch Sam Dunn's films "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey" and "Global Metal". They are possibly the only good documentaries on metal to exist (let's here it for Canadians!).