Poll: 'Heavier' music,can it last?

[Flying-Emu]

Nope.

I've yet to hear a song or band that has that instant "timeless" quality to it made within the 'heavier' genres.

Then you've never heard Iron Maiden, for example. or Metallica. Or anything, ever.

... I was assuming he meant modern heavy music. Not the stuff that's lasted twenty years already. I'm a big Maiden fan, love Megadeth, and I know that stuff lasts. Since I'm fifteen and listening to it many years after the last album was released.

Also, never was much of a Metallica fan.

 

[hooblabla6262]

Honestly, I hope the music from this generation doesn't last cause it all sounds like the same crap to me. I have listened to a variation of different music, and very little of it impresses me. The way I see it is that what made the old stuff classics is that even if you didn't like the music you knew what it was. With the newest heavy that just isn't the case. Then again, I could be wrong and all these bands might make it...

 

[The Black Adder]

I'm not quite sure where to begin so i will start with just randomly correcting people whos posts i remembered

Cradle of Filth is not a very good example of black metal, they are a very experimental gothic band. Real black metal, which i wouldnt be surprised if that CoF fan hasnt heard of, includes darkthrone, mayhem, burzum, etc.

This brings me to the guy saying that Eric Clapton dangled a baby out of his window... Euronymous of Mayhem ate his guitarists brains and Varg Vikernes of Burzum murdered him, while they both ran around burning down churches. I'm sorry but metal wins in the extreme category. (for the record i love classic rock and have led zeppelin posters hanging from my walls and eric clapton on my computer). And if you dont like classic rock, you have to at least respect it and acknowledge that it was the cornerstone for all the subgenres of metal and just rock music in general.

Also some guy asked someone else their favorite death metal album... mine is watershed by opeth. That album is magical in every song and if you are one of those people who dismisses metal and banging and screaming into a microphone, i urge you to listen to a few tracks off of it.

I do think its worth pointing out that 20 years ago people where banging their heads to the same slayer songs as they are today-- and seem to be showing no signs of stopping.

To the Avenged Sevenfold fan: They suck and are fake poser metal like korn or slipknot. You arent helping make metal a credible form of music by listening to them, youre tearing apart the fabric of society.

Metal isn't music you like when you first listen to it. It's actually alot like wine in that you have to develop a taste for it. But once you do, a whole world of music the extent of which you didnt know, opens up to you and you end up some idiot like me rambling about music most people dont listen to over the internet to a bunch of people i dont even know, so I'll stop this post for now.

Most Black Metal fans are just as lame as your "poser metal" fans. "Woah, the singer killed himself and the drummer ate his brains, while the bassist stabbed the guitarist to death." I guess that means they are cool? Sounds more like they are full of shit.

 

[The Black Adder]

OK then. Death (the band, obviously) is timeless. Carcass, Opeth, Napalm Death, Morbid Angel, etc, the thread is stupid. Avenged Sevenfold and other gay bands OP mentioned will never be classic, in any genre, that's for granted.

God, I hope that after many years into the future of musical development people will not be calling Napalm Death or Carcass "classic".

 

[I Stomp on Kittens]

I love Disturbed (Im pretty sure they are considered heavier) so as long as they are around I could care less if heavy music dies

 

[Clashero]

Frankly, I'd like to see it remembered in the future. I'm not a big fan of metal (some of it is REALLY just noise and 5th chords), though there are some bands that are truly excellent to me: for instance, older Metallica, Iron Maiden, Nightwish. I particularly love Nightwish. I was waiting in line to get my ticket to Phantom of The Opera, and nearly all people under 30 in the line loved Nightwish as well as opera. If opera fans generally agree that a metal band (albeit symphonic metal) is excellent, then there must be something they're doing right.
I'd love to see, in about 15 or 20 years, people talking of bands like Nightwish, the Foo Fighters, Iron Maiden, etc as "classic" bands.
Very nice thread, very original. Better than all those "what's your favourite lightbulb voltage?" or similar threads around.

 

[Nazulu]

I would say yes, heavy or progressive or whatever metal music is something different and is also very popular.

However I don't think pop bands of today will not be remembered that well since they are nothing compared to The Beatles, Supertramp and ABBA. Pink and others like her haven't really done anything special or new and so not many people will refer to these singers as the greatest musicians.

Originality (in my experience) rarely seems to factor in to how 'timeless' a musician/band is to people out there. Look at Elvis Presley Vs. Chuck Berry. Who's considered a legend and king of rock and roll? Not the guy who invented the freaking genre. No, it's the safe white kid who made it palatable to white America.

Elvis had a great voice and he wrote some of the greatest rock 'n' roll songs in the world, he also had a different style. Originality is one thing but what really makes a great musician is writing great music and performing well live.

When I said special I mean writing great songs or putting on an incredible performance.

 

[BasicMojo]

The people you named don't hold a flame to The Who, Pink Floyd, or Eric Clapton. Sorry, but that's my personal opinion. Your bands may pretend that they're all tough and scary....but Eric Clapton threw his own baby out a window to write an epic song. Can any of your bands say the same? No.

To name a few instances: Varg Vikernes of Burzum is currently serving a prison sentence for stabbing Mayhem guitarist Euronymous in the back twenty times in broad daylight. Mayhem singer Dead blew the back of his head off with a shotgun, leaving a suicide note that simply read "Sorry about all the blood." Every single member of Gorgoroth has been implicated in church burnings in Norway, which they frequently extoll in their songs.

Besides, since when is defenestration of toddlers a condonable action? "Eric Clapton is my idol, that man threw an infant from a second story window. I only wish I could be that cool."

The only reason 99% of people know about "Classical" music is because of primary school musical classes...

I think I made my point.

You're a fucking idiot. Or possibly just a troll. I'm still deciding which. The reason "Classical" music is, by its very nomenclature, "CLASSIC", is because composers like Beethoven and Verdi, Mozart and Fauré, Gershwin and Schönberg have set the groundwork for everything musical that will ever be created, ever. Even going so far back we end up in the Dark Ages, Gregorian chant influenced many chorales that are being performed somewhere in the world at this very moment. Most rock/metal has its roots in classical music. So actually, 99% of the world knows about "Classical" music because it's an integral part of life and contemporary media.

Then we have people like you, spewing your ignorance into the cloying void that is the internet for all to see. You know what I think it is? It's mainly an intellectual crowd that enjoys classical music. I think that might be the problem here.

 

[CrafterMan]

A morning without Amon Amarth is a morning I do not want to wake up to.

 

[Dys]

People have been calling rock and roll too heavy/too fast since elvis, and we are yet to see any form of it truly die. Also Lamb of god and parkway drive are popular and get a little bit of airtime on rock shows (both radio and TV). It just hasn't hit "mainstream" yet, but then no new rock really has for as long as I've listened to the radio. As insanely popular as they were/are, I rarely hear the gunners or metallica on the radio, even slipknot didn't get any airtime, as far as I know, when tripple m were promoting them endlessly, and I honestly don't think Pantera have ever been played on australian radio, and they were the biggest thrash act of the nineties (metallica were the 80's, please don't try and argue that with me).

 

[Eykal]

Nope.

I've yet to hear a song or band that has that instant "timeless" quality to it made within the 'heavier' genres.

Maybe it will happen, I don't know. All I know is that a lot of the 'heavier' music isn't played on the radio. And therefore, it won't be remembered. Few songs can be well-remembered if they're not radio-worthy.

And besides, they'll never touch the glory of Flock of Seagulls or AC/DC. Just never.

First: AC/DC sucks, it sucks, no.
Second: You're not listening to the right radio stations.
Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense

First: That's your opinion, enjoy it.
Second: I listen to the perfect radio stations. I listen to every station within my area at least a little.
Third: Bullrappity crap.

Well you ARE a Flying Emu, who am I to argue?

 

[Eykal]

Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense

And how do you suppose they find the music that they put on their ipods, generally speaking? Could it be...the radio? Why yes, I believe it is.

Like it or not, if a band gets major airplay, they're more apt to be remembered longer and by more people than some random 'underground' hardcore thrash band.

Sorry if this turns into a double-post.
Untrue, the vast majority of the music my friends and I listened to came of of videos we saw on youtube, or bands discovered there or places besides the radio.

 

[Ulfrinn]

4 Words for you:

Rage Against The Machine.

I honestly can't see how their music won't carry on into the future, even if they don't record any thing else their music from the 90's is as still as meaningful now, and I think for any teenagers who want to rebel in the future, they'll know RATM.

If they don't they're deprived teenagers.

 

[timmytom1]

I`d like to hope so but i do think metal and other "heavier" forms of music will be less and less popular

 

[Abominus]

from a heavy point of view, what do you consider heavy? most classic songs are the ones you can sing along with, so if your only consider heavy music as people growling into a mic, then its gonna be tough to find one. if you mean what the mainstream considers metal, then i can list a bunch;

Master Of Puppets by Metallica,
Chop Suey by System of a Down,
Duality by Slipknot,
Wait and Bleed by Slipknot,
Davidian by Machine Head,
Sickness by Disturbed,
Killing in the Name by Rage Against The Machine,
Walk by Pantera,

thats a few examples, mostly by popularity. If an age comes where musical talent is the basis for making a song classic and not how much rotation they get on mtv, then there'll be many more bands to add to the list;

Thrice,
Protest the Hero,
Lamb Of God,
Chimaira,
Exit Ten,
Meshuggah

heavy metal in all its forms is home to some of the most gifted, talented and creative musicians anywhere. I'm not knocking other genre's, even though I'm mainly a metalhead (dj'd in a metal club for 6 years) i do appreciate other musical styles if the persons got talent. but due to the genre's minimal use of samples, backing tracks and the fact that the people writing the songs are usually the ones performing it, the people who get the attention are the ones that are putting in the effort.

I reckons that we'll see some of the songs i mentioned still being played 20 yaers from now, if because of nothing else other than cheesy nostalgia. but rock music in general is longer lasting. you name all the big acts from the last 40 years that poeple still listen to today, and how many are pop acts? the majority of what people still are aware of, is the rock orientated stuff. might not be heavy by todays standards, but these things progress, evolve, develop.

and even if im wrong, wont stop me hoping i'll eventually be right

 

[Chunkyfudgelover]

Good grief, Avenged Sevenfold is the worst example of 'heavy music' you could have possibly come up with. While I could go on and on and on regarding your terrible taste in music I won't, rather I'll leave it at this... Worry not for as long as there are credulous, pretentious teenagers there will always be mediocre bands clad in makeup, wearing womens trousers and whatever else it takes to pander to these demographics, these walking stereotypes, these bags of hormones and their mothers money!

And don't think that by slating pop music you're hilarious, at least pop isn't under any pretenses like todays metal! Pretenses of individuality(they all dress the same), originality(they are BORING!) and masculinity(Synyster Gates is a ponce!)

Really, you should've said music like Opeth, Katatonia, Carcass or Strapping Young Lad.
To be honest if anyone says it's 'Just noise' then who cares what they say? They're clearly morons because while people are entitled to opinions that doesn't make them any less stupid.

 

[D3athBat]

Good grief, Avenged Sevenfold is the worst example of 'heavy music' you could have possibly come up with. While I could go on and on and on regarding your terrible taste in music I won't, rather I'll leave it at this... Worry not for as long as there are credulous, pretentious teenagers there will always be mediocre bands clad in makeup, wearing womens trousers and whatever else it takes to pander to these demographics, these walking stereotypes, these bags of hormones and their mothers money!

And don't think that by slating pop music you're hilarious, at least pop isn't under any pretenses like todays metal! Pretenses of individuality(they all dress the same), originality(they are BORING!) and masculinity(Synyster Gates is a ponce!)

Really, you should've said music like Opeth, Katatonia, Carcass or Strapping Young Lad.
To be honest if anyone says it's 'Just noise' then who cares what they say? They're clearly morons because while people are entitled to opinions that doesn't make them any less stupid.

Yes i know that Avenged Sevenfold are not really 'heavier music'...well,perhaps their older stuff,but i simply meant heavier than Queen,Pink Floyd etc...and as for me having terrible taste in music,well thats your opinion,and like you said,you are entitled to your opinion but it doesnt make you any less stupid.

As for the whole ''Worry not for as long as there are credulous, pretentious teenagers there will always be mediocre bands clad in makeup, wearing womens trousers and whatever else it takes to pander to these demographics'' thing,well again,thats the self-opinionated,pretentious,bullshit that you call an opinion...i suppose you make a point on the trousers thing,but lots of bands have done the whole make-up thing,even if its a little eye liner...Ozzy,Motley Crue,Alice Cooper,and christ even Pantera back in the day...
But who are you to call such bands mediocre or bash teenagers for the music that they enjoy?Everyone has their tastes.

I dont think im hilarious for slating pop music,it was a little joke if anything,i think youre looking at it a little too closely,relax...
and actually pop is under those pretenses...
They too all dress the same (like whores)
All of it sounds the same (especially Rap and Club)
And if you want people trying to be masculine,look at all the self titled 'gangstas'...nothing is more pathetic...

And bash Synyster Gates all you like,i'd choose him and his music 1000 times over Kirk Hammet (in case youre a Metallica fan),Fredrik Åkesson,or Dave Mustaine and the music that they write...

I shouldnt have put Opeth,Katatonia,Carcass or Strapping Young Lad (as un-deniably good as they are) i believe that Machine Head,CoB,Trivium and Architects can stay there instead