Poll: 'Heavier' music,can it last?

[bjj hero]

There will always be heavy music because there will always be teenagers desperate to upset their parents and prove how individual they are... just like all of their friends.

A few of these bands will be remembered as classics, trying to pick which ones is anotherthing. For me Alice in Chains were awesome but everyone remembers nirvana from that period. The rest will be forgotten by all but a few that loved them at the time. Without being cynical, the ones with a tragic death have a better chance. I know; Alice in Chains lost Lane Staley but its not a guarentee, it just helps.

As far as bands selling out, those who've been in bands for any length of time will know; at 25 you dont want to play the same music you played at 15. Your taste tends diversify as well.

Off topic, I wanted to name my son Lane. I was veto'd by my partner, shes not into metal at all and was doubley put off when she found out how Lane died...

 

[Not Good]

What do you think the best Death album is?

Leprosy or Symbolic

QFT. Both are good, but you can't really put one Death Album over another(Except for spiritual healing but even then it's sort of a close call). These are just my two favorites.

 

[MelziGurl]

The people you named don't hold a flame to The Who, Pink Floyd, or Eric Clapton. Sorry, but that's my personal opinion. Your bands may pretend that they're all tough and scary....but Eric Clapton threw his own baby out a window to write an epic song. Can any of your bands say the same? No.

I assume that you're referring to the tragic accident that claimed the life of Clapton's son?

Sure, believe the 'official' story. Fact: Babies don't throw themselves out of windows.

True, but four year olds sometimes fall.

*Raises hand*
How high up was the window?

He fell off a balcony.

Did it have railing? If so, how high? Was there something he could of climbed on to get over the balcony?

Also..
Was there a door to the balcony? If so was the door left open?

On 20 March 1991, Conor, who was four years of age, died when he fell from the 53rd-story window of his mother's friend's New York City apartment, landing on the roof of an adjacent four-story building. Clapton's grief was expressed in the song "Tears in Heaven", which was co-written by Will Jennings. He received a total of six Grammys that year for the single "Tears in Heaven" and the Unplugged album. - Wikipedia

There you go

EDIT: http://www.eric-clapton.co.uk/interviewsandarticles/loryinterview.htm You could also go here for the full story.

 

[MelziGurl]

The people you named don't hold a flame to The Who, Pink Floyd, or Eric Clapton. Sorry, but that's my personal opinion. Your bands may pretend that they're all tough and scary....but Eric Clapton threw his own baby out a window to write an epic song. Can any of your bands say the same? No.

I assume that you're referring to the tragic accident that claimed the life of Clapton's son?

Sure, believe the 'official' story. Fact: Babies don't throw themselves out of windows.

True, but four year olds sometimes fall.

*Raises hand*
How high up was the window?

He fell off a balcony.

Did it have railing? If so, how high? Was there something he could of climbed on to get over the balcony?

Also..
Was there a door to the balcony? If so was the door left open?

On 20 March 1991, Conor, who was four years of age, died when he fell from the 53rd-story window of his mother's friend's New York City apartment, landing on the roof of an adjacent four-story building. Clapton's grief was expressed in the song "Tears in Heaven", which was co-written by Will Jennings. He received a total of six Grammys that year for the single "Tears in Heaven" and the Unplugged album. - Wikipedia

There you go

EDIT: http://www.eric-clapton.co.uk/interviewsandarticles/loryinterview.htm You could also go here for the full story.

That answers none of my questions...

It does actually, if you read the link.

'That day the apartment block janitor was in the apartment cleaning. I told the nanny and the maid not to leave Conor alone for one second. I came out of the bathroom and heard the fax ring. I stopped to check it and after discovering that it was an estimate for some repair work, I started to compare it with others. I was there for 15 minutes, during which time I heard Conor suddenly start running as he decided to play hide and seek.'
'I heard the nanny and she was running right behind him. But as Conor run into the room where the janitor was cleaning, the janitor stopped her to tell here that he had slid open the window - a huge wall of glass. In the second she stopped to listen to what he was saying, Conor ran straight through the window. I heard a dreadful scream but it wasn't Conor. It was the nanny, I ran into the room, shouting more and more hysterically, "Where's Conor, where's Conor?" Then I saw the open window and I understood at once. I felt all my strength leave me and I collapsed on the floor.'
'Eric arrived five minutes later, not realising Conor had fallen to the street below. He came into the bedroom and I screamed, "He's dead." His eyes went dark and he said, "Dead, he's dead. It's impossible." He found it hard to believe at first. Then his face turned to stone; it was like a film. We said absolutely nothing to each other. I just stopped functioning.'

The answers to your questions are in this paragraph. There was just no balcony involved.

 

[Jaga Jazzist]

Yup, I come into a thread all about 'heavy' music and all I see is talk about different Metal bands.

Some of the heavier stuff I listen to is not Metal at all. I'm talking about Screamo bands, such as Circle Takes the Square and Envy, which have their roots in Punk, not Metal. Unfortunately a lot of people like to confuse Metalcore with Screamo, which annoys the shit out of me. It's not that I have anything against Metalcore per se, it's just they are pretty different.

As for whether Screamo will last? I don't know. Envy have been slowly changing their sound over the past few years so that it's leaning towards Post-Rock (not that Post-Rock can't be heavy either, as Q Magazine pointed out when putting [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lift_your_skinny_fists"]Lift Your Skinny Fists[/a] in their '50 Heaviest Albums of All Time' list). Circle Takes the Square still haven't released their new album yet, so we don't know what that's going to be like, but if their 2004 album As the Roots Undo is anything to go by, it'll be pretty 'heavy.'

And then of course there's Noise (technically not music by people listen to it nonetheless). Masami Akita is still as prolific as ever and is collaborating with more and more artists. Noise as an instrument is spreading through various genres, including rock and pop.

Of course if music in general is getting [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war"]louder[/a] then you could say that the 'heavier' bands we have today will not be considered heavy in the future. So maybe it won't last. I dunno.

 

[Myselfe]

As long as I have anything to say about about it, it will.

 

[Sweep117]

As long as I have anything to say about about it, it will.

Exactly. The best and only way to keep it alive is to keep listening and keep supporting it. Whether it's Metal or Screamo or Heavy Metal or NuMetal, it doesn't matter. Just support it.

Anyway, there are more fans of these types of music than we all realize. People like variance. I have over 100 different bands in my iPod. I like to mix it up. I support a ton of bands.

Of course if music in general is getting [a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loudness_war"]louder[/a] then you could say that the 'heavier' bands we have today will not be considered heavy in the future. So maybe it won't last. I dunno.

Good point. I've often thought this myself. Look how western (culture) music has progressed over the decades. My grandfather absolutely hated the music my father listened to (Led Zeppelin, the Eagles, the Who, etc) and my father hates the music I listen to. (Tool, Chevelle, Disturbed, Alexisonfire, just to name a few of the 'heavier' bands...) All because they were/are too "wild and loud." Maybe music is just going to get louder and harder.

 

[D3athBat]

It'll last, good example - Metallica, they've been going since the early eighties, and still have a strong fan base, slayer, megadeth, testament, there's loads of older bands that are heavy and are still going.

I noticed that most of the bands you posted where hardcore type bands, not really my cup of tea, I'd say heavy bands where things like Opeth, SYL etc.. and no offence, but most of those bands are pretty mainstream, they're are getting to be more and more pretenders (not accusing you) that don't seem to really "get" metal, I mean the aggression just isn't there anymore (or at least not like it used to be).

Yeah,i see what you mean...i gotta admit,my listing of the bands that i like was very brief,i love Metallica too...though not the Death Magnetic album...simply because,as you mentioned about aggression not being in metal anymore,the aggression doesnt seem to be there in Metallica anymore...its just not old Metallica...
And yeah,i did list a lot of hardcore bands,but i dont really do labelling so much,not that im accusing you,but ill admit,bands like A7X are,not becoming pretenders,but id say they are becoming more generally friendly,like to attract a bigger audiance...but i dont consider that as a bad thing,i love everything theyve ever released...i think the guitar is brilliant...but i accept that that is not your cup of tea,but aside from lighter stuff like Avenged i like a lot of stuff like Chimaira,Divine Heresy,Dream Theater,In Flames,Mastadon,Meshuggah,Mendeed etc etc etc...again,maybe not your cup of tea...
But to each their own eh?

Very true about Metallica, they have indeed become pretty bad (but I'd say that they have been since the black album). Funny thing is, you've mentioned some of my favourite bands in that post, Dream Theatre, Mastodon and Chimaira, good choices sir!

Yeah,i mean ill willingly admit that there are one or two tracks that i like off of Death Magnetic,such as The Day That Never Comes and Cyanide...but the solos on that album are just...SO uninspiring...ESPECIALLY the one in The Day That Never Comes...compared to the ones from Nothing Else Matters,Master Of Puppets,Sad But True,Unforgiven II,Enter Sandman etc,that solo just blows...it was that gay little rundown that he does down the neck that ruined it for me...it just felt like he wasnt trying...Weve seen Kirk do so much better...
*sigh*

And good choices to you too good sir haha

 

[thefrizzlefry]

Will true metal last? Hell yeah, metal always triumphs over adversity.
Will fake metal (screamo) last? Hell no, just look at hair metal.
Edit: Just saw the post below me. Argue with me all you want, I don't think that screamo or mallcore qualifies as metal.

 

[D3athBat]

I don't understand how people can say metal won't last. Its pretty hard to walk down the street and not run into a metal fan.

We all argue about what's "Real Metal" whats not, but honestly, anyone who enjoys metal whether its Nu-metal or classic Thrash or even the darkest, heaviest Doom/Death metal, they still have one thing in common, they enjoy the sheer brutality and power that any form of metal brings to the rock n roll world. And that is only getting stronger in my opinion. Even emo and punk pands are turning up the volume (and the distortion) to be more like metal bands. Its undeniable that metal is here to stay.

Yeah you make a very good point,and yes,arguing over what ''Real Metal'' is and what isnt is a really stupid thing to do...there are plenty of people who criticise Avenged Sevenfold for not being metal,and insist that they are metalcore or nu metal,and that the fans are stupid for thinking otherwise...
i can see where they are coming from...i mean no,A7X are not as heavy as Machine Head,CoB,Slayer,Arch Enemy and what have you,but regardless of calling a band Nu metal,metalcore,thrash,death,doom,black or whatever it still has the important word 'metal' in the title,which is why i generalised A7X and others into the list of 'metal' bands that i am a fan of...
Can anyone really be bothered going into sub-category after sub-category of what type of metal they are a fan of?
In general,anything with 'Metal' in it kicks ass in one way or another to a certain branch of fans,were not all going to like everything...live with it,respect others for being individual

 

[D3athBat]

Will true metal last? Hell yeah, metal always triumphs over adversity.
Will fake metal (screamo) last? Hell no, just look at hair metal.

Haha this made me laugh xD
Hair metal...Pantera before becoming fucking awesome
What qualifies as Screamo these days anyway?
I dont know which bands what anymore...
I just like 'Metal in general =D

 

[Bulletinmybrain]

And dont just bash my/eachothers music tastes...I appreciate that everyone is entitled to an opinion,but lets keep it clean eh?...Unless its about Pop music

I for one happen to enjoy pop music. where else can you find a bunch of hot looking women with great voices?
If you enjoy the heavy stuff that's fine but try to find a punk rocker who can hold a high note for 27 seconds and still look drop dead gorgeous while doing it.
I'm talking about people like The Pussycat Dolls, Mariah Carey, Leona Lewis, and others. If your going to be on stage viewed by millions it's nice if your, shall we say, "easy on the eyes".

Again, no offense to people who like the other stuff. Everyone's different. I listen to a little bit of everything because I like to expand my horizons and I recommend every one else to do the same.

They can't look badass while doing it though. *Cue Machine Head*

 

[thefrizzlefry]

What do you think the best Death album is?

Leprosy or Symbolic

QFT. Both are good, but you can't really put one Death Album over another(Except for spiritual healing but even then it's sort of a close call). These are just my two favorites.

You might be able to make an argument for Sound of Perseverance being the best, but mostly because of the Painkiller cover.

 

[D3athBat]

I don't know if I'm repeating what someone else said, so apologies if that is the case.

I don't think modern 'heavier' music will become "renowned classics" for a couple of reasons. Firstly, I don't think it has the mainstream appeal of the classic rock bands you stated, and as other people mentioned, part of the metalhead-culture seems to be not conforming and being underground. If a certain proportion of people do not like a music genre, I find it hard to believe that bands from that genre could be timeless classics. I realise that there are quite a few metal fans on this forum, but as far as I know, the majority of society are now into rnb, pop, indie rock and dnb, at least here in England. If I'm wrong, and more people like heavier music then I thought then good!

However, just like other genres of music, there are and will be legends in the metal genre and all the other subgenres of metal music. Also, I do not think that metal will 'die' away. Very few forms of music do, and are appreciated by people.

So I guess...I think metal music will last, but I doubt it will become timeless classics with non-metal fans. I do think there is a difference with Hendrix as for example, my music teacher appreciates his music whilst hating the vast vast majority of rock bands. I don't see that happening in general with people liking one or two heavy metal bands whilst still listening to a majority of whateverelse.

Personally, I'm not really into metal, but I can see why people enjoy it (I think..hehe) and I don't see it going away. In a good way.

Yeah,even i will admit that i kind of find it hard to imagine some of the 'heavier' music of today becoming timeless classics due to the lack of main-stream appeal as you mentioned...and as you said 'I doubt it will become timeless classics with non-metal fans' and i think that is the same with every genre really.We metal heads can tell a non-metal fan how much of a classic a certain song is until our faces turn blue and they would still not have a CLUE what we are talking about...its the same with rap fans,they could tell me how much of a classic a certain Ludacris or 50 Cent song is,and just like them when it comes to Metal,i would not know what the fuck they are talking about...but on the other hand...i dont think id care either =P

Again its a matter of everyone being unique in their tastes.

 

[JokerGrin]

I'm into all sorts really, from Radiohead, The Hold Steady and The Smiths through to Burning Skies, Bolt Thrower and The Monolith Deathcult. I don't really WANT their stuff to become classics, I'm happy enough with what I like, I don't care if others like it or not. It's impossible for them to be considered "classics" and get major radio airtime because I guess most people can't handle it.

 

[Not Good]

What do you think the best Death album is?

Leprosy or Symbolic

QFT. Both are good, but you can't really put one Death Album over another(Except for spiritual healing but even then it's sort of a close call). These are just my two favorites.

You might be able to make an argument for Sound of Perseverance being the best, but mostly because of the Painkiller cover.

What do you mean? I thought Sound of Persevernce was great!

 

[D3athBat]

And dont just bash my/eachothers music tastes...I appreciate that everyone is entitled to an opinion,but lets keep it clean eh?...Unless its about Pop music

I for one happen to enjoy pop music. where else can you find a bunch of hot looking women with great voices?
If you enjoy the heavy stuff that's fine but try to find a punk rocker who can hold a high note for 27 seconds and still look drop dead gorgeous while doing it.
I'm talking about people like The Pussycat Dolls, Mariah Carey, Leona Lewis, and others. If your going to be on stage viewed by millions it's nice if your, shall we say, "easy on the eyes".

Again, no offense to people who like the other stuff. Everyone's different. I listen to a little bit of everything because I like to expand my horizons and I recommend every one else to do the same.

They can't look badass while doing it though. *Cue Machine Head*

Yeah...a lot of them just look like whores
*cough* Pussy Cat Dolls...
Id rather Rob Flynn look badass holding a note for 27 seconds than me finding him 'hot'...
So
+1 to Bulletinmybrain =D

And Godofgame67
If your looking for 'hot' women,there are plently in the Metal genre...

Angela Gossow
Cristina Scabbia
Hayley Williams (not metal i know...but still...even if she DOES look like shes going to take off when she sings xD)
Sharon den Adel
Anette Olzon
etc etc etc
And they all have great voices

 

[Banana Phone]

Also metal is rarely even heavy. There, I said it.

Apparently you haven't heard of Black Sabbath, Metallica (pre-Balck-Album), Dethklok, Mastodon, The Sword... Endless others.

On topic, I hope that heavy music never dies, and if it does I will be the last one listening to it. That being said, my favorite band of ALL TIME is Pink Floyd, *chorus of angels*, and I like plenty of kinds of music besides metal (reggae, blues, classic rock, also some jazz and classical). So I find it funny that some people on this thread seem to think that Pink Floyd, Clapton, etc. and metal are mutually exclusive.

 

[Taerdin]

Epic Fail!

I want you to know that I reported that post to the moderators because it was moronic, not because it was directed at me.

Have a nice day.

I want you to know I reported your post, partially because it was directed at me but mostly because it offered nothing to this thread other than your one chance to announce that you were playing moderator to an entire thread, and didn't actually contribute anything meaningful to this discussion other than to call out a post you decided was 'moronic' when it was simply a response to what I believed to be someone elses 'moronic' behaviour. Let the cycle of moronitude continue!

Do you have anything meaningful to contribute?

I could've written some very long post you didn't want to waste time reading anyways, about how he was clearly being a fanboy whilst trying not to be but I decided that got the same point across, but apparently it also incurred the wrath of people who are overly twitchy and like getting pats on the back from moderators, so I apologize for not writing a whole lot of words to explain my very simple point.

Also I love heavier music, I feel like it has more emotion and power to it generally (the bands I listen to anyways I cant speak to things I dont know anything about :S) but I feel like theres this stigma from people who listen to mainstream stuff when it comes to heavy music, and that it will only ever be something that is listened to by those who truly value it, outside of the mainstream. In other words I don't think it will ever be 'popular' because those people who decide what music is 'popular' are prejudging heavy music as angry and pointless when really they couldn't be more wrong. But everyone has their own opinion, I just hope mine was long enough for you.

 

[searanox]

Also metal is rarely even heavy. There, I said it.

You clearly have not heard much metal, then.

I for one happen to enjoy pop music. where else can you find a bunch of hot looking women with great voices?
If you enjoy the heavy stuff that's fine but try to find a punk rocker who can hold a high note for 27 seconds and still look drop dead gorgeous while doing it.
I'm talking about people like The Pussycat Dolls, Mariah Carey, Leona Lewis, and others. If your going to be on stage viewed by millions it's nice if your, shall we say, "easy on the eyes".

Again, no offense to people who like the other stuff. Everyone's different. I listen to a little bit of everything because I like to expand my horizons and I recommend every one else to do the same.

Enjoy your constructed and packaged masturbation fantasy, then. There are some excellent female pop singers, but I also find the way they sing to be fundamentally annoying, and if you're a musician I generally don't give a flying fuck about how you look so long as you can make good music. Clearly, however, that is not a universal sentiment, and we continue to judge females through the male gaze even in places where it is unwarranted.

As for great metal vocalists who can hold notes, well, it seems your experience with the genre is highly limited. Bruce Dickinson, Hansi Kürsch, James LaBrie, Geoff Tate, Daniel Gildenlöw, Dan Swanö, Simen Hestnæs, Kristoffer Rygg, and Lars Nedland are all first-class singers and frankly are much better than most of the pop singers that I've heard, some with stunningly beautiful voices with range and dimension well beyond your average music industry model.

By the way, ever heard an opera singer before? Yeah, you want to brag about your pop vocalist, just know that there are others out there that completely destroy them.