Poll: 'Heavier' music,can it last?

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henrebotha

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I voted yes. Here's why.

Music like the aforementioned A7X, Bodom, etc is not popular now like Led Zeppelin and Hendrix were popular then. These modern heavy acts are far more underground.

However, some of what they do leaks into the mainstream. Even pop rock artists now are using detuned power chords, deep bass and heavy beats that would have been too heavy even for Sabbath or The Who or whatever band of that era you care to name.

In this way, pop acts are paving the way for heavier acts to enter the mainstream by conditioning the listening public's ears to accept heavier sounds.

It would be very difficult to tell right now which heavy acts are the ones who will survive. One would think a band like Opeth, for instance, would be remembered; but they are likely already too far into their career to break into the mainstream during their lifetimes.

So maybe none of the heavy acts playing now will be remembered in the same light as Led Zeppelin, Pink Floyd and their peers. But I feel that some such acts that have yet to surface may be lucky enough to happen at the right time to cement their spot in music history.

(As an aside: there is absolutely no way that Avenged Sevenfold, All That Remains, Children Of Bodom, or Trivium can be considered to even be worthy to lick the soles of bands as great as Pink Floyd.)
 

Taerdin

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Godofgame67 said:
I for one happen to enjoy pop music. where else can you find a bunch of hot looking women with great voices?
Here [http://www.last.fm/music/Lacuna+Coil], here [http://www.last.fm/music/Echoes+of+Eternity], here [http://www.last.fm/music/Epica], and here... [http://www.last.fm/music/After+Forever] need I even go on? Metal has its share of hot chicks who can sing better than any pop princess, that I am sure of. At least three of those singers can sing circles around any mainstream chick, plus one is a soprano and one is a mezzo-soprano (a range of opera singers), and lend their operatic style to some truly righteous metal riffs. My work is done.
 

outseeker

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I answered Yes, assuming you were talking about Hard Bass :)

Hard music can be good, really if you have a mad riff you can play it as hard or as distorted as you like I say it sounds mad. The full on death metal with dudes that scream in deep throaty voices about killing or whatever (where can't understand jack) is pretty retarded though. Can sound like garbage.
 

Slakah

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Anti-conformist-conformists are the reason metal annoys the hell out of me, and this whole dark style every metal band adopts. I would also like to point out this thread is mostly pointless, as from personal experience I've found gamers tend to favour heavier styles of music than the norm (but maybe I'm completely wrong, and I have no doubt I will get shot down if that is the case :p).
 

maddawg IAJI

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what i find funny is that all the classics you named (well except queen) are heavy rock bands. so if those bands last then heavy music will never die.
 

Crowghast

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There's no room for musical connoisseurs like myself in the modern world, is there? I listen to rock, metal, alternative, indie and other forms of that most chiefly, as it is my first love. But why is it that none of my fellow metalheads can't understand that I also enjoy classical music? The violins in tune with bass and those loud trumpets. What about rap? What's so bad about it? Some of the songs i've heard have some very creative lyrical themes and others have wonderful beats. Even some pop music, even jazz, more than that.

Nay, I hate ARTISTS, not genres. Mozart? Boring, I don't know what people see in it, as much of a "genius" as he might be, I can't "feel" the love for it. Beethoven was way better.

So when someone asks "will it last?" I reply, "as long as there are humans in the world", or at least creatures that enjoy music.

It doesn't make sense to me to say any music is dead, because i'm probably listening to it.

Or someone out there is.

Is there no one here that remembers Macabre? They damn near pioneered Death Metal, yet they aren't exactly remembered for it, are they? Yet here I stand to listen, and enjoy!

What about Cab Calloway? One of the best jazz artist ever in my opinion. Do any of YOU remember him? Here I am, listening.

So. Let us no longer ask "will this genre die one day?" or "can anyone best these classics?"

Letb us instead ask "when is everyone in the world going to die so that there will be no one left to make new music for us to complain and fuss about?"
 

AgentNein

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Nazulu said:
I would say yes, heavy or progressive or whatever metal music is something different and is also very popular.

However I don't think pop bands of today will not be remembered that well since they are nothing compared to The Beatles, Supertramp and ABBA. Pink and others like her haven't really done anything special or new and so not many people will refer to these singers as the greatest musicians.
Originality (in my experience) rarely seems to factor in to how 'timeless' a musician/band is to people out there. Look at Elvis Presley Vs. Chuck Berry. Who's considered a legend and king of rock and roll? Not the guy who invented the freaking genre. No, it's the safe white kid who made it palatable to white America.

Slakah said:
Anti-conformist-conformists are the reason metal annoys the hell out of me, and this whole dark style every metal band adopts. I would also like to point out this thread is mostly pointless, as from personal experience I've found gamers tend to favour heavier styles of music than the norm (but maybe I'm completely wrong, and I have no doubt I will get shot down if that is the case :p).
Methinks you're correct. It is my experience that gamers tend to dig metal. I don't know, I personally can't stand the genre for the overwhelming most part. Then again one could argue that metal is macho music a lot of the time, and video games tend to be macho male fantasies most of the time, so we've got some clues to the mystery of the trend.
 

Eykal

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Flying-Emu said:
Nope.

I've yet to hear a song or band that has that instant "timeless" quality to it made within the 'heavier' genres.

Maybe it will happen, I don't know. All I know is that a lot of the 'heavier' music isn't played on the radio. And therefore, it won't be remembered. Few songs can be well-remembered if they're not radio-worthy.

And besides, they'll never touch the glory of Flock of Seagulls or AC/DC. Just never.
First: AC/DC sucks, it sucks, no.
Second: You're not listening to the right radio stations.
Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense :p
 

AgentNein

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Eykal said:
Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense :p
And how do you suppose they find the music that they put on their ipods, generally speaking? Could it be...the radio? Why yes, I believe it is.

Like it or not, if a band gets major airplay, they're more apt to be remembered longer and by more people than some random 'underground' hardcore thrash band.
 

Flying-Emu

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Eykal said:
Flying-Emu said:
Nope.

I've yet to hear a song or band that has that instant "timeless" quality to it made within the 'heavier' genres.

Maybe it will happen, I don't know. All I know is that a lot of the 'heavier' music isn't played on the radio. And therefore, it won't be remembered. Few songs can be well-remembered if they're not radio-worthy.

And besides, they'll never touch the glory of Flock of Seagulls or AC/DC. Just never.
First: AC/DC sucks, it sucks, no.
Second: You're not listening to the right radio stations.
Third: Most people listen to music other places now, only the older ones really listen to radio, no offense :p
First: That's your opinion, enjoy it.
Second: I listen to the perfect radio stations. I listen to every station within my area at least a little.
Third: Bullrappity crap.
 

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D3athBat said:
Flying-Emu said:
D3athBat said:
Ah,well thanks for clearing that up :) and i accept that you dont particularly like it,many people dont,and you make a point about it being too heavy for the radio stations,but maybe the radio needs to broaden its horizons?or dedicate time for that music or whatever...
Well, it's more that that kind of music has content that the FCC finds... undesirable.
So the FCC finds problems in heavy music that can have meaningful lyrics,even if theyre not 100% audible,but still lets Pop music get away with crap like
''guns dont kill people,rappers do''
''ill take my clothes off and it will be shameless,because everyone knows thats how you get famous''
''Ooooh you touch my ding ding dong''
''smack my ***** up''
''feet down,ass up,thats the way i like to fuck''...for the masses to hear?

total BS...
Now I realise that this post was a made a while ago but:
Goldie Looking Chain are a joke band. Don't take them seriously.
And The Prodigy are what little good is left of that genre, just because it's electronic and the lyrics aren't necessarily deep and heartfelt don't mean it's BS, it is dance after all.
 

The Black Adder

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Crowghast said:
There's no room for musical connoisseurs like myself in the modern world, is there? I listen to rock, metal, alternative, indie and other forms of that most chiefly, as it is my first love. But why is it that none of my fellow metalheads can't understand that I also enjoy classical music? The violins in tune with bass and those loud trumpets. What about rap? What's so bad about it? Some of the songs i've heard have some very creative lyrical themes and others have wonderful beats. Even some pop music, even jazz, more than that.

Nay, I hate ARTISTS, not genres. Mozart? Boring, I don't know what people see in it, as much of a "genius" as he might be, I can't "feel" the love for it. Beethoven was way better.

So when someone asks "will it last?" I reply, "as long as there are humans in the world", or at least creatures that enjoy music.

It doesn't make sense to me to say any music is dead, because i'm probably listening to it.

Or someone out there is.

Is there no one here that remembers Macabre? They damn near pioneered Death Metal, yet they aren't exactly remembered for it, are they? Yet here I stand to listen, and enjoy!

What about Cab Calloway? One of the best jazz artist ever in my opinion. Do any of YOU remember him? Here I am, listening.

So. Let us no longer ask "will this genre die one day?" or "can anyone best these classics?"

Letb us instead ask "when is everyone in the world going to die so that there will be no one left to make new music for us to complain and fuss about?"
You're not the only one. I have to agree with you on a few points. I too love metal jazz and classical music. I agree Beethoven was better than Mozart, but nothing beats Bach. Sure I know who Cab Calloway is and his groups were always amazing but I prefer to listen to BeBop and Hard Bop. And though I wouldn't say Macabre pioneered Death Metal, they are none-the-less an excellent band. I too would catch shit from people I know for liking different kinds of music. The last band I was in, my singer wanted to kick me out because all I listened to jazz and not to hardcore.
 

Lazy Lemon

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Three types of bands survive the test of time:

1) bands which were among the first in their genre and helped define it's sound

2) bands which are extremely fucking good

3) bands which experiment and end up with a unique sound (usually get just a cult following e.g. The Fall, Bad Brains etc)

Everything Avenged Sevenfold and co. are doing has been done a thousand times before, and better by other bands. They did have "heavier" music back in the old days, you know...
 

metalhead848

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I'm not quite sure where to begin so i will start with just randomly correcting people whos posts i remembered

Cradle of Filth is not a very good example of black metal, they are a very experimental gothic band. Real black metal, which i wouldnt be surprised if that CoF fan hasnt heard of, includes darkthrone, mayhem, burzum, etc.

This brings me to the guy saying that Eric Clapton dangled a baby out of his window... Euronymous of Mayhem ate his guitarists brains and Varg Vikernes of Burzum murdered him, while they both ran around burning down churches. I'm sorry but metal wins in the extreme category. (for the record i love classic rock and have led zeppelin posters hanging from my walls and eric clapton on my computer). And if you dont like classic rock, you have to at least respect it and acknowledge that it was the cornerstone for all the subgenres of metal and just rock music in general.

Also some guy asked someone else their favorite death metal album... mine is watershed by opeth. That album is magical in every song and if you are one of those people who dismisses metal and banging and screaming into a microphone, i urge you to listen to a few tracks off of it.

I do think its worth pointing out that 20 years ago people where banging their heads to the same slayer songs as they are today-- and seem to be showing no signs of stopping.

To the Avenged Sevenfold fan: They suck and are fake poser metal like korn or slipknot. You arent helping make metal a credible form of music by listening to them, youre tearing apart the fabric of society.

Metal isn't music you like when you first listen to it. It's actually alot like wine in that you have to develop a taste for it. But once you do, a whole world of music the extent of which you didnt know, opens up to you and you end up some idiot like me rambling about music most people dont listen to over the internet to a bunch of people i dont even know, so I'll stop this post for now.
 

Remleiz

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Let us not forget that the black metal scene has been going since the late 80's now and is still going

Venom, Possessed, Emperor, Immortal, Marduk, Enslaved, need i really go on?