Poll: HE'S GOT A GUN!!!

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Jarek Mace

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Pick up a 5 year old as he's about to fire and throw it at him, then whilst he's stunned run and pick up a heavy object and...
Run away.
 

gunningyoudown

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Lol all i can think of is why would you shield someone it will go threw you then kill that same person. also Why would you run the person would kill you on the spot. talking to them would be hard one wrong word and your dead. disarming him would be impossible unless your next to him. so my answer is ..... pull out my own gun and kill him first.
 

-Orgasmatron-

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Try To Disarm Him 22.9% (117)

LMAO at the internet warriors who voted for that one.

I think I'd turn in the opposite direction and run if it came down to it.
 

gunningyoudown

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irishstormtrooper said:
It depends on how close he is. If he's about two feet away, I'd try to disarm him, but if he's more than twenty feet away, I'd run like hell.
... bullets would out run you by a long shot
 

joe182

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Haha, who knew the escapist was full of heroes, 'eh.
Seriously, it's all well and good saying 'I'd run up and hit him, blah blah blah', but I'm sure that 99% of the pepole that've said these things would act a hell of a lot differently if a real gun were actually pointed at them.

Me? I'd get into the closest cover I could find, and stay put.
 

Twilight_guy

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Become incredibly afraid and attempt to reason with him, then get shoot by the lunatic and slowly die, cursing my inaction as the light slowly fades.
 

KingPiccolOwned

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Sneak off, get a lighter and a can of aerosol spray and

or at least scare said robber the hell out of the store.
 

Caliostro

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Kimberland said:
Its a beautiful day in where-ever-the-hell-you-live-ville you are at the "insert local shopping centre here" its very busy. But there is evil aloof, a man pulls a gun, and turns in you your direction. You cant tell if he will shoot or not. What do you do?
Too ambiguous. Are we in the street or indoors somewhere? Am I alone? Is there cover? Is there anything laying around? How far from me is he?

For instances, if he's close to me, I will disarm him, and if possible, kill him. If he's not, I'm not gonna lunge at an armed men and try to run across a street while dodging bullets... I'm not suicidal...

If there are objects nearby I will use them. If he's close, a stapler is a good makeshift stun-gun. If he's far it's a good blunt object to break someone's head with.

If he's too far, try to manipulate him to either put the gun down, or shoot himself (I'm good at it). Last case scenario, I would take a bullet for the person I love, I wouldn't for a random person. Hell, I'd probably use them as a shield.
 

Caliostro

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-Orgasmatron- said:
Try To Disarm Him 22.9% (117)

LMAO at the internet warriors who voted for that one.

I think I'd turn in the opposite direction and run if it came down to it.

See, the situation is too ambiguous. At close range in an open terrain, you're better off doing nothing or trying to disarm him than running. You may or may not be able to overpower the guy, but you're definitely not going to outrun a bullet.

There's a lot to it that's not specified. For instances, if I was with the person I love, I'd gladly take a bullet to let her run, rather than risk getting us both shot while running. If there is a crowd around and I'm alone, and there's sufficient distance between me and my attacker to make it a more viable option, yeah, I will make a run for it.

So "LMAO at the internet tough guys who think they got everything figured out".
 

Arcticflame

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hoopyfrood said:
If you are right in front of someone who is pointing a gun at you, and your only options are fighting or running, running is the inferior option.
Statement of opinion, unnecessary.

Uh... disarms are kind of meant for situations where the gun is already pointing at you. Techniques designed for situations where someone else is being threatened with a gun are few and far between. Do you know anything about this subject?


Look at this video [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eM6Bpz6-dio] and see how quickly the instructor does the technique (the only flaw is that he telegraphs it a little by starting to move forward before executing the disarm, and for some reason he doesn't move off line like he says you should, but the point here is how quickly he moves). Here's [http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0V6LWQZjYRk] a different technique, also executed quickly.

Even if you're pointing a gun at someone and have your finger on the trigger, there's still a delay before you can process what's happening and pull the trigger. People do not have instantaneous reflexes.
It isn't a reflex for him, YOU are the one who needs to use reflex. A reflex is not a premeditated action, his action is withdraw gun and shoot, Which even a dunce can do instantly.

If his action wasn't withdraw gun and shoot, than it shows he doesn't have his mind set on killing you, and thus attempting to disarm him may well escalate the problem. You played directly into what I've been trying to tell you.

Disarms are intended where the subject is terribad at guns (or is somehow distracted), the person doing the disarm is an expert (or at least competent), and the manouevure has a fantastic chance of being performed.

If you are an expert at disarm manouevures, than even then you cannot tell me (as you originally did) that disarming someone was the correct option for me.

I already said many times that if you are some form of special forces, or lightning fast reflexes than by all means it makes sense for you to attempt to disarm, you know what you are doing.

But that doesn't apply to me, which is what you were trying to convince me of.

And I already said, your disarm depends on his reaction, and as his reaction was first, pull out gun and shoot you (which is what you assumed), you are at least a second behind him.

That fragment was to show you that in the scenario you presented, a disarm may well be the right option, but it's a silly scenario because you will die before the disarm is possible, and scenarios with only one outcome are stupid. The only outcome that favours you is if he only pulls out the gun and levels it, not doing anything, in which case I'm not sure what the hell is going on.

Explain to me why it wouldn't work. Does his gun shoot magic bullets that chase after you?
Because you have to rely on reflexes, which are only possible if he doesn't pause, and not possible for the common man. You are making it out as if you have damn awesome reflexes and dam good hand-eye, which might be very true, but it doesn't apply to everyone, especially not when you consider this scenario is tailored for common people. I can twist any scenario I want to have the best outcome, but that misses the point of what scenarios like this are for.

My original comment was remarking on that the number of people who are saying disarm, there are tons of them who no doubt would die, you might be telling the truth and have the ability to disarm, but I'd eat my hat if the majority of those voting that they would attempt to disarm actually could, and even less that actually would.



Fun fact: militaries don't, as a rule, actually spend tons of time on hand-to-hand combat training. They have assault rifles, pistols, hand grenades, helicopters and UAVs for fighting, plus all their teammates. Military H2H also isn't drastically different from what you can find in the civilian world, or even no different at all. The best fighters aren't special forces soldiers, but professional fighters.
I was saying people with the non-normal capability to disarm the guy. Not specifically special forces guys. I don't know why exactly I would restrict disarms to purely military forces. I thought it was obvious I was using that as a blanket term for people with good hand-to-hand skill.

How would you know that it's 90%? You pulled that number from thin air.
Yes I did, that's obvious, protip - It was a demonstration of my thought process, not a science course.


We are not talking about a situation where you have to charge him, we are talking about a situation where you are right in front of him. Disarms do not work if you are not within H2H range, and since we are talking about disarms it stands to reason that you are close to him.
YOU said that, nowhere does it state he is directly in front of you within striking range.

Do you want me to start harping on how because running away is on the list, it stands to reason we are on a running track? That doesn't make sense.

Except they won't do so, because it's been drilled into their heads that violence is bad mmkay, and that you shouldn't concern yourself with anything except your own safety.
And how exactly does that have anything to do with what I was saying?
It doesn't disprove what I said at all.
 

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Caliostro said:
Too ambiguous. Are we in the street or indoors somewhere? Am I alone? Is there cover? Is there anything laying around? How far from me is he?

For instances, if he's close to me, I will disarm him, and if possible, kill him. If he's not, I'm not gonna lunge at an armed men and try to run across a street while dodging bullets... I'm not suicidal...

If there are objects nearby I will use them. If he's close, a stapler is a good makeshift stun-gun. If he's far it's a good blunt object to break someone's head with.

If he's too far, try to manipulate him to either put the gun down, or shoot himself (I'm good at it). Last case scenario, I would take a bullet for the person I love, I wouldn't for a random person. Hell, I'd probably use them as a shield.
ROFL at the internet tough guy who thinks your average person is going to have time to think all that through when having a gun pointed at them. And I didn't say running is the best option, I said that's what I would do in the heat of the moment.

Try again buddy.
 

Kirix

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depends on if someone i love beside me protect them if some i hate beside me cover behind them if there are people watching try to disarm him if we're all alone flee and cry....i mean disarm him and be a man
 

Arcticflame

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-Orgasmatron- said:
Caliostro said:
Too ambiguous. Are we in the street or indoors somewhere? Am I alone? Is there cover? Is there anything laying around? How far from me is he?

For instances, if he's close to me, I will disarm him, and if possible, kill him. If he's not, I'm not gonna lunge at an armed men and try to run across a street while dodging bullets... I'm not suicidal...

If there are objects nearby I will use them. If he's close, a stapler is a good makeshift stun-gun. If he's far it's a good blunt object to break someone's head with.

If he's too far, try to manipulate him to either put the gun down, or shoot himself (I'm good at it). Last case scenario, I would take a bullet for the person I love, I wouldn't for a random person. Hell, I'd probably use them as a shield.
ROFL at the internet tough guy who thinks your average person is going to have time to think all that through when having a gun pointed at them. And I didn't say running is the best option, I said that's what I would do in the heat of the moment.

Try again buddy.
I think that we would be able to make calls like that pretty quickly, it's called adrenaline.

Playing sports for a long time has shown me many times (and suprised me a lot), of how quickly you can make a carefully balanced call in a very short time.

It's not hard to make a decision based upon spacial dimensions, it's what humans were built to do. The weighing up of values is done on the fly based upon past decisions, not formulated on the spot.
 

ojm62

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Honestly, I'd probably just freeze and then piss myself whilst trying to find cover. I'd still help loved ones if I wasn't totaly bricking it. Come to think of it that's kinda what happened when knives have been pulled on me. But then I used my negotiating skills to calm him, then got the fuck outta there!
 

Section Crow

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meh i would say something here and do something different if it happens, depends how rash or desperate u r to live... let him shoot u and play dead, either knock him out or play dead until he leaves.
 

Bat Vader

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I would use ketchup and mustard to paint a target on my shirt and see what happens from there.
 

Bat Vader

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My point is that you're unnecessarily risking your life.
I love it when people do that and fail. I also love it when two people start fighting over the internet during a hypothetical situation. It really shows how smart people are. End sarcasm.