hoopyfrood said:
Seanchaidh said:
You seem to be having some trouble with the concepts of mobility and the progression of time. If someone intends to do something with their hands to something that is currently out of reach, they can do some handiwork with their legs in order to move their hands closer to that object. At a later point in time, those hands will be close enough in order to carry out the desired operation. This was groundbreaking to me when I was a toddler as well. Now, to say that including the option "try to disarm him" somehow necessitates that the example implies the gun is within hands' reach, you also have to believe that it is impossible for someone to approach a gunman. Oh, that's likely to get you shot? I'm shocked.
You know what happens when you start running towards someone who is pointing a gun at you? He shoots you.
You seem to be having some trouble with the concepts of 'possibility' and 'necessity'. If something is necessary, it cannot fail to happen. If something is possible, it could happen. If something is probable, it will most likely happen but is not the only possibility; it is possible and not necessary. Getting shot when running at someone with a gun therefore falls into the category of
possible (as well as probable) because it
can fail to happen that you would be shot. Just like it
can fail to happen that you would get shot when trying to disarm someone. We're talking about probabilities here, so can it with your "logic". The connections between concepts that you make are very simply contrived to support your conclusion.
The only reasonable course of action is to treat the example as it is stated and infer nothing from the options because their success is not guaranteed.
The only logical conclusion is that the gunman is standing in front of you, within hand-to-hand range.
Oh, I love playing games of "let's repeat ourselves verbatim!" Ok, here I go: The only reasonable course of action is to treat the example as it is stated and infer nothing from the options because
their success is not guaranteed.
Before running away in the most efficient way possible, you would have to be facing the direction you need to run. So clearly by offering 'flee' the example suggests that the man is behind you.
It doesn't matter where he is, you can still try to run away. It just isn't very clever if he is in front of you.
It doesn't matter where he is, you can still try to disarm him. It just isn't very clever if he isn't right in front of you.
It's exactly your logic, now take it like a man.
The following statement is something you agree with: "we should gas all Jews." Why do you agree with it? Because I say you do! So simple!
You can either own your own logic or you can disown it. You don't get to do both (unless you're fine with being irrational and stubborn.) When you're talking about logical implications, I get to run other examples through your proffered thought process to show you your mistake. And you most certainly did make one. Would you like me to make an accusation about your psychological state now? Or would it be better to say that I've seen this all before and that your argument is the result of conspiratorial propaganda? Actually, all of that would probably sound just as retarded coming from me as it did when it was coming from you. So I'll just repeat myself, as seems the fashion trend:
Before running away in the most efficient way possible, you would have to be facing the direction you need to run. So clearly by offering 'flee' the example suggests that the man is behind you.
It's obvious that isn't implied by the example, and it's also obvious that the gun being within hands' reach isn't implied by the example. For the record, you would get to allege that I agree with "we should gas all Jews" if I had said something that suggested it, such as "we should gas all those of minority religious sects." You are clearly under the assumption that something has to be a defensible plan for it to be an option, and in that way the options presented can influence the example. But this is apparently only true
some of the time as it appears only to be true
in the case of the option you picked. Your approach is inconsistent and the "logic" you are using is apparently a biased version no one has ever heard of.