Poll: Homosexuality

[aba1]

between the states and canada im pritty sure nobody gives a shit I hate it everybody seems to think all these people have some problem with the gay community but nobody cares I have yet to meet anybody who cares at all if you want people who care and have some problem go a site full of people from Africa and put this up because nobody care if you black white gay straight male female gahhhhhhhhhh

 

[SamuelT]

Honestly, I am more weirded out by signs of affection towards the same sex as I am towards those of the opposite sex. That's probably because I don't understand how any male could find another male attractive to the point of kissing. I'm not opposed to anyone being homosexual though, not by a long shot. One can act any way he or she wants when it comes to that.

As long as I don't have to watch.

 

[zehydra]

Indifferent. I could care less if you're gay or straight, unless I'm interested (romantically/sexually) in you, of course. At that point I need to make sure I find someone who would be attracted to me lol.

 

[jpoon]

I'm not for it but I have no right to control what others do, so basically they can do whatever the hell they want but they can't expect me to actually support it like i like it.

 

[mr_rubino]

And this is why the United State delegates same-sex couples (who aren't government employees or soldiers as of recent) as 2nd class citizens; no right to see sick/dying partners, to have power of attorney as their partner is unconscious or unable to communicate, and the conservative are damned sure to veto any protection laws against discrimination in the workplace and in state/federal laws pertaining to same-sex unions. Why? Because 35% support LGBT rights when they vote, 34% vote along their party lines against LGBT rights because their pastors and politicians said it was "socialism destroying America's faith" or something like that. The other 31% were completely indifferent, regardless if they had friends or family that would directly affected by this discriminatory attitude still ingrained in U.S society. Hell, even "civil rights" activists ignore us because, apparently, being a racial, ethnic or religious minority is the only qualification for any civil rights dispute. Regardless if the person(s) in question are also a racial, ethnic, or religious minority on top of being discriminated on the grounds of gender and or sexuality... no one really gives a damn.

Note: And don't talk to me about "being all up in your face". Every day is "Straight Pride Day", it's in my face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year round. Sexuality and celebration go hand-in-hand, every day people want to be proud of their identity and the small joys that come in this life in-between all the stress and trauma. So let people who want to party and have fun with others they can identify with and their friends, just as they don't see any problem with you going out to party, going to convention or festive activities with people that are apart of your "community" and "flaunting" who you are without being ashamed of what that might be. Besides, LGBTQ events are for everyone, most gay bars service anyone who wants to go in and enjoy a night on the town. Regular bars... heh... they sometimes kick people out for being "queers" so I wouldn't be talking about "shoving your lifestyle down people's throats" and "doing thing behind closed door.. out of my sight, like holding hands".

"But butsecks gross!" </opposing argument on 90% of these threads>

 

[Kilyle]

I think it's sad that so many Christians forget "spread the love of Jesus" when they get a chance to "show homosexuals how wrong they are."

There's this site called Whosoever.org that I strongly support. They are Christian, they have the Gospel down pat, and they are pro-gay. And they get some of the worst hate mail I've ever seen.

Example: "You can't be a Christian if you think homosexuality is all right!" Excuse me, what? Where in the Bible does it say that? Believing in Jesus to save you from your sins doesn't even require knowing what your sins are! Whether or not homosexuality is a sin has nothing to do with salvation!

I swear, these guys are hurting the cause more than helping it.

Anyway: Go visit http://www.whosoever.org/ - it's a good site.

 

[Vakz]

This subject again? Don't people ever get tired of this.. people in general on the net (as people in general of our generation) are pro homosexuality. Is this really a topic that needs to be discussed over and over and over?

 

[demoman_chaos]

I am indifferent, I care not who you want to do things with in the bedroom as long as you don't talk about it. I care not for stories of either variety, gay or straight. If you like it rough from men with hairy bums, I'd rather not know. If you must say, just say you like men (girl on girl love is generally more widely accepted than guy on guy) and leave it at that.
I personally don't mind a compliment even if it is from another guy (a gay fellow once said I have a nice ass), but some do.

 

[Peteron]

I guess you could say I support it, but I really hate it when people make it their life. I have a bi friend who joins all of these bi groups, and treats his sexuality as if it is a religion. I think gays deserve the right to marry like anyone else, but honestly, I don't care if someone is gay or not. Its their own thing and they should keep it to themselves. I don't run around joining heterosexual pride groups and talking about how much I love the opposite sex.

 

[marscentral]

I'm Christian and straight and to put it bluntly, "pro-gay". I don't want to go through all the nuances of my opinion on the subject (it'd take way too long), but I hope there will be a time when it's not really an issue and gay people can take for granted all the things the rest of us do.

To put some context to my opinions, I became a Christian when I was at school in the 90s. I got picked on for my faith, as did the only other overt Christian I knew. His best friend, while not technically "out", every one figured he was gay and bullied him for it. He was the first gay guy I knew and, as far as me and my other friends were concerned, he was one of us. The guys who got bullied by all the small minded idiots we shared a school with.

By the time anyone told me Christians weren't supposed to like gays (it may shock some people, but most churches don't spend all their time bashing gays and I had left school by this point), I wasn't going to be convinced to start judging them or telling them to stop. Obviously, I had to do some praying and soul searching to reconcile the doctrinal conflict, but I got there.

That was longer than I had intended.

 

[aba1]

And this is why the United State delegates same-sex couples (who aren't government employees or soldiers as of recent) as 2nd class citizens; no right to see sick/dying partners, to have power of attorney as their partner is unconscious or unable to communicate, and the conservative are damned sure to veto any protection laws against discrimination in the workplace and in state/federal laws pertaining to same-sex unions. Why? Because 35% support LGBT rights when they vote, 34% vote along their party lines against LGBT rights because their pastors and politicians said it was "socialism destroying America's faith" or something like that. The other 31% were completely indifferent, regardless if they had friends or family that would directly affected by this discriminatory attitude still ingrained in U.S society. Hell, even "civil rights" activists ignore us because, apparently, being a racial, ethnic or religious minority is the only qualification for any civil rights dispute. Regardless if the person(s) in question are also a racial, ethnic, or religious minority on top of being discriminated on the grounds of gender and or sexuality... no one really gives a damn.

Note: And don't talk to me about "being all up in your face". Every day is "Straight Pride Day", it's in my face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year round. Sexuality and celebration go hand-in-hand, every day people want to be proud of their identity and the small joys that come in this life in-between all the stress and trauma. So let people who want to party and have fun with others they can identify with and their friends, just as they don't see any problem with you going out to party, going to convention or festive activities with people that are apart of your "community" and "flaunting" who you are without being ashamed of what that might be. Besides, LGBTQ events are for everyone, most gay bars service anyone who wants to go in and enjoy a night on the town. Regular bars... heh... they sometimes kick people out for being "queers" so I wouldn't be talking about "shoving your lifestyle down people's throats" and "doing thing behind closed door.. out of my sight, like holding hands".

what hick town do you come from :S

 

[Jacksoni]

I support homosexuality aswell as heterosexuality. In my opinion it really doesn't matter at all in no way, shape or form if people like men or women or neither.

 

[Togs]

Which doesn't make them inappropriate in particular contexts.

Unless you just time travelled from the 18th century, it should be fairly obvious that varying degrees of public display around heterosexuality are commonplace in our society.

Not alleging anything here, but it's also amazingly convenient how much the thought of two guys kissing suddenly turns people into puritans.

sounds a bit like youve a persecution complex there mate

I also don't really appreciate the reference to AIDS. I'm sure you're just fag baiting to get a reaction, but you aren't helping your case by doing so.

See my previous comment about a persecution complex- Im a trained biologist and the metaphor seemed apt; the AIDs virus mutates at a staggering rate, it wasnt intended as any form of insult.

I feel pretty entitled to say that this is wrong.

Describe to me the tenets which hold true across cultures. Define how revulsion of particular traits is biologically conditioned. Because I can guarantee that other people will have said different things. Essential definitions of masculinity fail because the choice of essence is arbitrary. Anything you could come out here will tell me far more about you than it ever will about masculinity as a whole.

And are you basically saying that because much of society is taught to react aggressively towards effeminate behaviour in men that that in itself is self-justifying. Because I don't see the logic. The fact that such things are 'taught' implies the possibility that they might not be taught, surely?

Whilst I have no subjective or empirical data to back up my claim, from a casual standpoint human societies generally expect men to be physically strong and mentally hardy- when something is that ubiquitous a relatively safe assumption would be in there being a genetic component, either directly or indirectly.

But ultimately your whole line of arguement is charateristic of the very point I was trying to communicate- the homosexual community flat out demands the acceptance of society whilst blatantly flouting its mores, there are people in this thread who have flat out stated their objection to homosexuality, whilst I all I did was state a minor subjective caveat to what was predominantly a positive post, which you then tore into with vehemence, attempting to decry me as a member of that objectionable brood.

I honestly do not get why you seem so intent on tearing apart an inconsequential instinctive reaction- do you really think your high handed indignation will somehow alter it?

 

[Thedayrecker]

I support it.

I mean I'm an atheist, and any reasoning against homosexuality is either stupid, or religious (which I'm tempted to call stupid, but I'm already on probation).

 

[Johanthemonster666]

And this is why the United State delegates same-sex couples (who aren't government employees or soldiers as of recent) as 2nd class citizens; no right to see sick/dying partners, to have power of attorney as their partner is unconscious or unable to communicate, and the conservative are damned sure to veto any protection laws against discrimination in the workplace and in state/federal laws pertaining to same-sex unions. Why? Because 35% support LGBT rights when they vote, 34% vote along their party lines against LGBT rights because their pastors and politicians said it was "socialism destroying America's faith" or something like that. The other 31% were completely indifferent, regardless if they had friends or family that would directly affected by this discriminatory attitude still ingrained in U.S society. Hell, even "civil rights" activists ignore us because, apparently, being a racial, ethnic or religious minority is the only qualification for any civil rights dispute. Regardless if the person(s) in question are also a racial, ethnic, or religious minority on top of being discriminated on the grounds of gender and or sexuality... no one really gives a damn.

Note: And don't talk to me about "being all up in your face". Every day is "Straight Pride Day", it's in my face 24 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year round. Sexuality and celebration go hand-in-hand, every day people want to be proud of their identity and the small joys that come in this life in-between all the stress and trauma. So let people who want to party and have fun with others they can identify with and their friends, just as they don't see any problem with you going out to party, going to convention or festive activities with people that are apart of your "community" and "flaunting" who you are without being ashamed of what that might be. Besides, LGBTQ events are for everyone, most gay bars service anyone who wants to go in and enjoy a night on the town. Regular bars... heh... they sometimes kick people out for being "queers" so I wouldn't be talking about "shoving your lifestyle down people's throats" and "doing thing behind closed door.. out of my sight, like holding hands".

what hick town do you come from :S

Central Florida (use to live in even more Conservative, right-wings-ville Northwestern Florida. Actually a lot of these examples I'm using come from this very forum. Yes, so your fellow Escapists (I assume they're either middle aged forum trolls who are angry that even gays and lesbians get more tail than they do... or they're under the age of 15 and are repeating what the good pastor/parents told them to say).

 

[Kennetic]

I'm indifferent for the most part. Don't hit on me, don't preach to me trying to justify your gayness. Just leave me alone and don't spread AIDS or you will be pulverised

 

[Popido]

Im against people who wave their sexuality flag for attention.

 

[ninjapenguin981]

I support people being able to do what they want. I don't have a problem with gay people at all, I just don't find the idea of homosexual acts very nice in my opinion, but who am I to say what other people can or cannot do if they're both consenting.

So therefore I'm for homosexuality.

 

[Johanthemonster666]

Which doesn't make them inappropriate in particular contexts.

Unless you just time travelled from the 18th century, it should be fairly obvious that varying degrees of public display around heterosexuality are commonplace in our society.

Not alleging anything here, but it's also amazingly convenient how much the thought of two guys kissing suddenly turns people into puritans.

sounds a bit like youve a persecution complex there mate

I also don't really appreciate the reference to AIDS. I'm sure you're just fag baiting to get a reaction, but you aren't helping your case by doing so.

See my previous comment about a persecution complex- Im a trained biologist and the metaphor seemed apt; the AIDs virus mutates at a staggering rate, it wasnt intended as any form of insult.

I feel pretty entitled to say that this is wrong.

Describe to me the tenets which hold true across cultures. Define how revulsion of particular traits is biologically conditioned. Because I can guarantee that other people will have said different things. Essential definitions of masculinity fail because the choice of essence is arbitrary. Anything you could come out here will tell me far more about you than it ever will about masculinity as a whole.

And are you basically saying that because much of society is taught to react aggressively towards effeminate behaviour in men that that in itself is self-justifying. Because I don't see the logic. The fact that such things are 'taught' implies the possibility that they might not be taught, surely?

Whilst I have no subjective or empirical data to back up my claim, from a casual standpoint human societies generally expect men to be physically strong and mentally hardy- when something is that ubiquitous a relatively safe assumption would be in there being a genetic component, either directly or indirectly.

But ultimately your whole line of arguement is charateristic of the very point I was trying to communicate- the homosexual community flat out demands the acceptance of society whilst blatantly flouting its mores, there are people in this thread who have flat out stated their objection to homosexuality, whilst I all I did was state a minor subjective caveat to what was predominantly a positive post, which you then tore into with vehemence, attempting to decry me as a member of that objectionable brood.

I honestly do not get why you seem so intent on tearing apart an inconsequential instinctive reaction- do you really think your high handed indignation will somehow alter it?

Trained biologist?? Yea, you sound so scientific and impartial in your logic (which most would agree has quite a few holes in it). I don't think he/she cares what you "claim" to be, it doesn't make you authoritative. There are plenty of psychologists that believe in Freudian psychoanalysis and still believe sexual orientation is a choice...even though about 95% of scientists and experts in the field of psychology, evolutionary biology/psychology, and Neurology disagree and think they're dead wrong.

Also, persecution complex? Is that what people who are pointing out obvious double standards "suffer" from? It sounds to me like it just struck a nerve with you.