Poll: Homosexuality

[EndOfDaWorld]

I support homosexuality. The argument that 'god said being gay is a sin' just doesn't work. This person that you are citing this too could be an atheist, agnostic, or one of the sects of protestantism that does believes in predestination. For the first two, the god argument doesn't work, because they either do not believe, or do not know. (Something many people cannot understand /rant) Or they believe that no matter what happens on earth, 'I'm already damned to hell or damned to heaven.' Some say that god is all loving and everything, or that, no matter what, god still loves you, and if you put your faith in it* then you will be forgiven or whatever. That just contradicted that argument.
Your choice on whether or not you like the same sex or different sex as you is chemically hardwired into your brain. To quote a philosopher, 'You can will what you wish but you can't will what you will.'
Additionally, let homosexual people do what they want. I agree with the person that said any couple, straight or gay, tongue kissing and groping is weird when they're near him/her. Its not your life, let them make their own choices. If anyone believes that homosexuals are going to be sent to hell for being homosexual just because some guy 5700 years ago said it wasn't okay, can kindly take the elevator to the top of the Empire State Building, lite themselves on fire, toss a penny off, chase the penny, and see what cracks a pedestrians head open first.



*for all of those super pious god botherers out there. I'm Jewish-Agnostic/Jewish-Atheist. Anyways, in the newly written prayer book that my temple recently took on has a more sexually 'acceptable' way of talking about god. God isn't a him, its not a her, its an it. Sexually neutral.


And to all of those Christians citing Leviticus, get off our (Jewish) book and go back your new testament. That's our bible, leave us out of it.


-One of my better friends is gay, and he's one of the most chill, awesome people that I have ever met.

 

[Thaius]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

 

[Kyoufuu]

2. As for Leviticus, it also demands animal sacrifice (1:9), no contact with menstruating women (12:19-24), advocates slavery (25:44), calls shellfish an abomination (11:10), forbids cutting the hair around the temples (19:27), touching the skin of a dead pig (11:6-8) and wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (19:19).

What do you have to say about those?

Not sure about in Leviticus, but in Deuteronomy (aka the book right before it chronologically) it was specifically stated that, for example, the dietary requirements only applied to the Jews, and that it was fine for other people to do those things, just not the Jews.

And to all of those Christians citing Leviticus, get off our (Jewish) book and go back your new testament. That's our bible, leave us out of it.

Christians don't tend to cite it. People arguing against Christians tend to cite it.

 

[mythicdawn12]

This actually brings me to think about why lesbians are more excepted than gay male couples. I think it goes to the fact that men are generally not considered attractive and women are. Therefore when two women are going at it it's no big deal, occasionally attractive, but two dudes are gross. Nobody wants to see naked guys. Guys aren't hot.
But OT: Do whatever you want. I do not care. Other people should really butt out of private business. Two dudes holding hands is adorable.

 

[101flyboy]

This actually brings me to think about why lesbians are more excepted than gay male couples. I think it goes to the fact that men are generally not considered attractive and women are. Therefore when two women are going at it it's no big deal, occasionally attractive, but two dudes are gross. Nobody wants to see naked guys. Guys aren't hot.
But OT: Do whatever you want. I do not care. Other people should really butt out of private business. Two dudes holding hands is adorable.

Lesbians aren't more accepted. Not real lesbians. Gay men catch more heat but they get more acceptance also, because there are no pretenses about it. Gay men are gay. Point blank. When people discuss homosexuality, they generally mean 2 men having penetrative anal or oral sex. With lesbians, a lot of people think "oh, well, are they really just man hating feminists." Or, are they doing it for attention. A lot of straight men think lesbians look like the porn stars who are actually straight girls. Lesbians aren't taken seriously and aren't given anywhere near the same awareness as gay men. Gay culture influence society in many ways that lesbian culture doesn't. Gay men catch more heat because being gay is more in your face, but the acceptance has risen on the same token because people realize what it's all about. A lot of people do not know what being a lesbian is all about.

 

[mythicdawn12]

This actually brings me to think about why lesbians are more excepted than gay male couples. I think it goes to the fact that men are generally not considered attractive and women are. Therefore when two women are going at it it's no big deal, occasionally attractive, but two dudes are gross. Nobody wants to see naked guys. Guys aren't hot.
But OT: Do whatever you want. I do not care. Other people should really butt out of private business. Two dudes holding hands is adorable.

Lesbians aren't more accepted. Not real lesbians. Gay men catch more heat but they get more acceptance also, because there are no pretenses about it. Gay men are gay. Point blank. When people discuss homosexuality, they generally mean 2 men having penetrative anal or oral sex. With lesbians, a lot of people think "oh, well, are they really just man hating feminists." Or, are they doing it for attention. A lot of straight men think lesbians look like the porn stars who are actually straight girls. Lesbians aren't taken seriously and aren't given anywhere near the same awareness as gay men. Gay culture influence society in many ways that lesbian culture doesn't. Gay men catch more heat because being gay is more in your face, but the acceptance has risen on the same token because people realize what it's all about. A lot of people do not know what being a lesbian is all about.

There's real and fake lesbians? I get what you're saying concerning porn stars. And I get the lack of awareness as well, but I was under the impression that generally people didn't find as much of an issue with lesbians. Oh well, I'm probably incorrect.

 

[101flyboy]

Support? Dunno what that means. Do I have a problem with it? Yes and no. AFAIC people can be/do what they want when it comes to their private life. I've had good friends who were gay. Hell, my mother is a lesbian and my GFs brother is gay, so my life would be difficult if I had a major issue with gay people.

However over the years it has come to my attention that my body type (very slim) seems to be quite attractive to a lot of gay men, and some of them just won't take a hint. At first I found this flattering but over the years it's become annoying. Gay men hit on me all the time and some of them won't accept anything short of "fuck off" as a "no". It really pisses me off, having to be rude like that, but polite hints just seem to go straight over their heads.

I also get annoyed at the confusion there seems to be between acceptance and participation, or between heterosexuality and homophobia. For example, I have no particular desire to see Brokeback Mountain because I'm not gay. But some people see that as homophobia. And some of those people even go so far as to suggest that homophobes are closet homosexuals. So... I have to go watch a gay movie to prove I'm straight? Can someone please explain that to me? Then there's things like the Mass Effect games. In the past I have openly spoken against homosexuality in Mass Effect 3. I wouldn't mind it if Bioware were capable of handling it properly, but they've proven again and again that they can't, and I get enough pushy gays hitting on me IRL thanks; I don't want to pay money to have it happen in my videogames!

I guess the point of this rant is that I think the "live and let live" mentality should go both ways. Gays shouldn't be persecuted for being gays, but I don't want to be persecuted for being straight either. If I want to watch movies and play games in which the romances are straight ones, do I really deserve to be stigmatised with the label "homophobe"?

Live and let live does not=heterosexuality v homosexuality, which is basically what you're saying. I'm NOT this, I'm that. Nobody is persecuting you for being straight, however, you clearly do have some issues you need to address.

 

[101flyboy]

This actually brings me to think about why lesbians are more excepted than gay male couples. I think it goes to the fact that men are generally not considered attractive and women are. Therefore when two women are going at it it's no big deal, occasionally attractive, but two dudes are gross. Nobody wants to see naked guys. Guys aren't hot.
But OT: Do whatever you want. I do not care. Other people should really butt out of private business. Two dudes holding hands is adorable.

Lesbians aren't more accepted. Not real lesbians. Gay men catch more heat but they get more acceptance also, because there are no pretenses about it. Gay men are gay. Point blank. When people discuss homosexuality, they generally mean 2 men having penetrative anal or oral sex. With lesbians, a lot of people think "oh, well, are they really just man hating feminists." Or, are they doing it for attention. A lot of straight men think lesbians look like the porn stars who are actually straight girls. Lesbians aren't taken seriously and aren't given anywhere near the same awareness as gay men. Gay culture influence society in many ways that lesbian culture doesn't. Gay men catch more heat because being gay is more in your face, but the acceptance has risen on the same token because people realize what it's all about. A lot of people do not know what being a lesbian is all about.

There's real and fake lesbians? I get what you're saying concerning porn stars. And I get the lack of awareness as well, but I was under the impression that generally people didn't find as much of an issue with lesbians. Oh well, I'm probably incorrect.

Yes, there are real and fake lesbians. People don't find an issue with casual lesbianism activity. But not, you know, being a lesbian. Two different scenarios. Kissing a girl for male attention is not being a lesbian. Claiming bisexuality because you want people to notice you is not being a real bisexual girl. Dating girls because you hate men, is not being a true, natural lesbian woman. Lesbianism is treated like a fad in many circles. It's sexually glorified. The actual love between 2 NORMAL lesbian women is not respected or even discussed and thought of.

Now, with all of this said, female bisexuality is WAYYYYYYYY more accepted than male bisexuality, and it's not even remotely close. Female bisexuality may be accepted as much as female heterosexuality in some circles. But then again, it's not necessarily real acceptance.

 

[Gralian]

I was under the impression that generally people didn't find as much of an issue with lesbians. Oh well, I'm probably incorrect.

It's because men are highly insecure. Men always have to be "the dominant one", and the thought of 'being submissive' is utterly unthinkable. Take 'prison rape'; a lot of men see gay sex as being pretty much that. Another male's *****. That's what makes guys get extremely twitchy about gay sex and rather blast their own arsehole off with a shotgun than let anyone near it. The idea of sexually being submissive, someone's '*****' is utterly abhorrent to a lot of men. It's part of the heteronormative hypermasculine culture that pervades the majority of society. Say what you want about the progressive peoples here on the escapist and youth culture, but the fact of the matter is you still have distinctly masculine and feminine gender roles - being dominant sexually, financially and socially is still a key aspect of masculine culture and that's not going anywhere any time soon, which is what feeds into the homophobic stigma. Another possible explanation is that straight men may view homosexuality as a "third gender". For example, he will identify with masculine culture as being "straight". Feminine culture as being "for women". Now when a homosexual male comes along who does not fit into the feminine camp, the straight man finds himself identifying with the same culture as the homosexual man. Suddenly he has no way to identify the "known" heterosexual culture with himself from the "unknown" homosexual culture that is intruding. He feels he is identifying with that other culture as well because they are similar, if not the same, and that feeds into a whole mess of insecurity because the 'masculine club' is no longer exclusive. Finally, i would argue that as a woman has sex via penetration regardless of sexual orientation because of the nature of their genitals, it is not quite as "ahh this is not natural!" as it is with two guys, because 'normal' sex does not involve any penetration (as in, the one being penetrated) for a man. So when it does, people naturally recoil a bit at the thought of it. If that makes sense.

Wow i'm sorry for that presumptuous wall o' text. I didn't mean to try and do sociology 101. Please be aware they are just my theories and none of it is any fact. It's all purely guesswork and assumption.

On topic, i support people's right to be homosexual as much as i support my right to not have it brought up every five seconds. Like threads such as these. As people have said before me, is homosexuality really such a big deal that we need to keep bringing it up like this? But really, what i'm getting at is how people treat homosexuality irl - either people never shut up about it when they find out someone is gay, or someone who IS gay will go out of their way to let you know every five seconds. Really, it's none of my business and i don't care who you sleep with, whether you're gay or straight.

 

[BrainWalker]

Being commonly jilted by women, I wish I was gay.

So you assume you wouldn't be jilted by gay men for the same reasons, whatever they might be?

I was going to post something meaningful, but Havik223 [http://www.escapistmagazine.com/forums/read/18.284382-Poll-Homosexuality#11197945] beat me to pretty much everything I could have said.

*rant*

Good on you, Havik.

 

[CoverYourHead]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

Did you know that homosexuality occurs in animals as well? I'm sure one could argue that it's somehow part of their nurturing or something, but I find that very hard to believe. It seems more obvious to me that homosexuality is an odd occurrence like any other kind of disorder such as dyslexia or such, but that it doesn't matter that much.

Just thought you may find that interesting. I do want to say that I really appreciate religious people like you who know that just because something clashes with your belief there's no need to try to persecute or destroy it. If only there were more like you!

 

[Marik2]

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

All evidence suggests that it is indeed biological (not to say that its all predestined, but for the most part it is)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biology_and_sexual_orientation

Besides homosexuality is all over nature.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homosexual_behavior_in_animals

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_animals_displaying_homosexual_behavior

 

[101flyboy]

"The term "projective disgust" is used to characterize the disgust that many people feel when they imagine gay sex acts. What does that term mean, and to whom does it apply? The view I develop, on the basis of recent psychological research, is that projective disgust has its origin in a discomfort with one's own body and its messier animal aspects, including sexuality, and that, in a defense mechanism, disgust is then projected outward onto vulnerable groups who are characterized as hyperphysical and hypersexual. In this way, the uncomfortable people displace their discomfort onto others, who are then targeted for various forms of social discrimination.

Thus the people to whom the term "projective disgust" applies are the insecure and emotionally stunted people who campaign against equal rights for gays and lesbians, not gays and lesbians themselves."

Basically, homophobia is a personal disorder, that homophobes project onto gay people.

Also, BTW, the whole "well, it's disgusting" doesn't work since, of course, there is nothing quantifiable that shows homosexuality is disgusting. Since there is no such thing as homosexuality as a single sexual activity. There are sex acts, that are either gay or straight in nature. It's all about personal discomfort and insecurity. That's why I tend not to get offended by homophobes anymore. I pity them.

 

[101flyboy]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

Did you know that homosexuality occurs in animals as well? I'm sure one could argue that it's somehow part of their nurturing or something, but I find that very hard to believe. It seems more obvious to me that homosexuality is an odd occurrence like any other kind of disorder such as dyslexia or such, but that it doesn't matter that much.

Just thought you may find that interesting. I do want to say that I really appreciate religious people like you who know that just because something clashes with your belief there's no need to try to persecute or destroy it. If only there were more like you!

Disorder? LOL. Homosexuality harms nothing, so it isn't a disorder. For something to be a disorder it has to have an inherent damaging aspect connected to it. And it isn't odd, either, considering the fact it's rampant in nature and most humans are not exclusively straight.

Gay people are gay because that is who they are, the same as straight people.

 

[101flyboy]

Support? Dunno what that means. Do I have a problem with it? Yes and no. AFAIC people can be/do what they want when it comes to their private life. I've had good friends who were gay. Hell, my mother is a lesbian and my GFs brother is gay, so my life would be difficult if I had a major issue with gay people.

However over the years it has come to my attention that my body type (very slim) seems to be quite attractive to a lot of gay men, and some of them just won't take a hint. At first I found this flattering but over the years it's become annoying. Gay men hit on me all the time and some of them won't accept anything short of "fuck off" as a "no". It really pisses me off, having to be rude like that, but polite hints just seem to go straight over their heads.

I also get annoyed at the confusion there seems to be between acceptance and participation, or between heterosexuality and homophobia. For example, I have no particular desire to see Brokeback Mountain because I'm not gay. But some people see that as homophobia. And some of those people even go so far as to suggest that homophobes are closet homosexuals. So... I have to go watch a gay movie to prove I'm straight? Can someone please explain that to me? Then there's things like the Mass Effect games. In the past I have openly spoken against homosexuality in Mass Effect 3. I wouldn't mind it if Bioware were capable of handling it properly, but they've proven again and again that they can't, and I get enough pushy gays hitting on me IRL thanks; I don't want to pay money to have it happen in my videogames!

I guess the point of this rant is that I think the "live and let live" mentality should go both ways. Gays shouldn't be persecuted for being gays, but I don't want to be persecuted for being straight either. If I want to watch movies and play games in which the romances are straight ones, do I really deserve to be stigmatised with the label "homophobe"?

Live and let live does not=heterosexuality v homosexuality, which is basically what you're saying. I'm NOT this, I'm that. Nobody is persecuting you for being straight, however, you clearly do have some issues you need to address.

Thanks for proving my point. Nice trolling by the way.

The only point you made is that you have a gay vs straight attitude, which you created and are blaming others for. Address your problems.

 

[CoverYourHead]

I'm a Christian. That does not mean I hate gay people. Nothing about Christianity involves hatred of gay people, regardless of what those idiots at Westboro Baptist say. I do believe, as the Bible pretty clearly says, that homosexuality is a sin. But then so are many things that our culture does. The Bible does not say to hate those who sin, because we as Christians are not blameless either. There is nothing "more sinful" about homosexuality than any other sins. So while I disapprove of homosexuality, I do not hate those who are gay.

I also have yet to see any sort of conclusive evidence that homosexuality is biological. Seems to me more like a weak way to excuse away socially unacceptable behavior, not that it's necessary now that culture as a whole seems to have accepted it pretty well.

So while I do not hate gay people and I live in a country where they are free to do as they wish, I am not comfortable with the entire acceptance of homosexuality as a natural thing, so you could say I do not support it. I'm just not looking forward to dealing with a culture and school system that teaches my kids things that I'll have to explain afterward are not okay, but I guess I was raised under similar circumstances with other issues, so it'll work out, I suppose.

Did you know that homosexuality occurs in animals as well? I'm sure one could argue that it's somehow part of their nurturing or something, but I find that very hard to believe. It seems more obvious to me that homosexuality is an odd occurrence like any other kind of disorder such as dyslexia or such, but that it doesn't matter that much.

Just thought you may find that interesting. I do want to say that I really appreciate religious people like you who know that just because something clashes with your belief there's no need to try to persecute or destroy it. If only there were more like you!

Disorder? LOL. Homosexuality harms nothing, so it isn't a disorder. For something to be a disorder it has to have an inherent damaging aspect connected to it. And it isn't odd, either, considering the fact it's rampant in nature and most humans are not exclusively straight.

Gay people are gay because that is who they are, the same as straight people.

Yes, yes, I know. I meant more like an evolutionary mishap (jeez, can't make it sound like I'm anti-gay with this, despite my liking of men, hm.) since it doesn't further the species. I know it's not harming anything blah, blah, blah, but it would be for the benefit of the species if there was no homosexuality.

 

[Blatherscythe]

Don't really understand how I could support it but... yeah sure.

I'm omnisexual so that should really be a given. >.>

So wait, you pretty much will screw anything with the proper parts? I understand asexual, bisexual, heterosexual and homosexual, but omnisexual sounds like it can get you jail time if practiced.

 

[Loop Stricken]

I firmly believe that, as long as it's not hurting anyone else, people should be able to live their lives however they damn well please.

I like to think that this is how I treat everything.

Everything. Just don't bother me with it.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

Support? Dunno what that means. Do I have a problem with it? Yes and no. AFAIC people can be/do what they want when it comes to their private life. I've had good friends who were gay. Hell, my mother is a lesbian and my GFs brother is gay, so my life would be difficult if I had a major issue with gay people.

However over the years it has come to my attention that my body type (very slim) seems to be quite attractive to a lot of gay men, and some of them just won't take a hint. At first I found this flattering but over the years it's become annoying. Gay men hit on me all the time and some of them won't accept anything short of "fuck off" as a "no". It really pisses me off, having to be rude like that, but polite hints just seem to go straight over their heads.

I also get annoyed at the confusion there seems to be between acceptance and participation, or between heterosexuality and homophobia. For example, I have no particular desire to see Brokeback Mountain because I'm not gay. But some people see that as homophobia. And some of those people even go so far as to suggest that homophobes are closet homosexuals. So... I have to go watch a gay movie to prove I'm straight? Can someone please explain that to me? Then there's things like the Mass Effect games. In the past I have openly spoken against homosexuality in Mass Effect 3. I wouldn't mind it if Bioware were capable of handling it properly, but they've proven again and again that they can't, and I get enough pushy gays hitting on me IRL thanks; I don't want to pay money to have it happen in my videogames!

I guess the point of this rant is that I think the "live and let live" mentality should go both ways. Gays shouldn't be persecuted for being gays, but I don't want to be persecuted for being straight either. If I want to watch movies and play games in which the romances are straight ones, do I really deserve to be stigmatised with the label "homophobe"?

Live and let live does not=heterosexuality v homosexuality, which is basically what you're saying. I'm NOT this, I'm that. Nobody is persecuting you for being straight, however, you clearly do have some issues you need to address.

Thanks for proving my point. Nice trolling by the way.

The only point you made is that you have a gay vs straight attitude, which you created and are blaming others for. Address your problems.

I don't even know what you mean by "gay vs straight attitude" and I certainly don't see how my post blamed other people for... whatever it is. Given your hostility I can only assume that something I have said has offended you, but until you explain what it was I can't really respond (or apologise).

Edit:

I just googled "gay vs straight attitude" and got a whopping three (3) results. Seems it's not a commonly used phrase.

 

[sleeky01]

In my view supporting or not supporting homosexuality would be like supporting or not supporting gravity.

My opinion on it would mean nothing.