Poll: How about a ''Vs. America' shooter?

[MR T3D]

[Detailed, very well written post detailing why russia's invasion of the US in MW2 just a stupid attention-grabber, using the often ignored by kids concept of logistics and reffering to 20/21st century conflicts]

Post of the month.

on topic: vs. merica just wouldn't sell, and the ones where you do play as a person against what could easily be reskinned and called america didn't sell.

OP: Go buy Red Faction Guerrilla. that's what you want in a game, just the oppressive force isn't called america, but earth. and if you really must kill dem muricans, deal with it being MP games like COD and battlefield.

 

[dontpokethebear]

metal gear solid peace walker... everyone you kill is an american, or some russians, but your enemy is the cia. but then again, you play as an american whos gone rogue, and the only relatable foreign soldier ive ever seen was in letters from iwo jima so theyd have to do it like that. big budget hollywood action games need the stereotypical american hero if they wish to succeed in the stereotypical american hollywood action genre

 

[Pielikey]

Fox News would have a fucking ball, that's why nobody's made one yet.

 

[p3t3r]

ya american terrorist invades russia for once. would be nice

 

[ecoho]

ok here we go again ahem.

Let me answer the OP first, americans as a whole realy dont like being used as targets and we do tend to own guns shall i say more?

now to all you people who call us racist and bigits. Do not lump us all in as the same, we live in a country were the idiots tend to yell the loudest. Now I like to beleave im not racist due to the fact that i judge people by their actions.

 

[sagacious]

As an american, yes, i'd play a shooter where america was the enemy.

Perhaps a futuristic shooter set 100 years from now about turning back the tide of by then nigh-imperialistic american interventionism? It would be a cool cautionary tale, and would make a poignant political point (STOP INVADING RANDOM COUNTRIES).

As an added bonus, I think it'd be just controversial enough to get lots of free publicity, without actually getting banned.

 

[ShakesZX]

Wouldn't fly. The second you shift focus from apple pie baseball cap sweet sweet America to "The Enemy", every one would have something unpleasant to say about it. I mean, killing Middle Easterners is one thing, but killing white Americans? Fuck, that's just wrong.

Also Fox News. I'm Australian, and I still fear Fox News.

Thank you for lumping us all into ignorant, pig-headed, morons with no will power of our own to decide what we want or think...

I would personally love a game where America was the bad guy. It seems like there are so many reasons out there for us to be put in that position, and it's about time that somebody decided to take a stand and create something against the grain like that

 

[Pocotron]

1. Start speaking in the opposite faction's voice.

2. Team-kill

3. ???

4. Profit! You are now "Vs.-ing America!"

 

[WanderingFool]

I think we need less a "vs America/any particular nation", What I would like to see is actuall a American civil war game, not a 1800s civil war, but a modern civil war, between two different factions in the US. Add some political aspects, plus allow people who hate Americans to kill Americans without rising controversy... okay, without that much controversy...

 

[Something Amyss]

how about we stop making games based in reality altogether?

Fuck you planet earth! mushroom kingdom awaaaaaaaaaaaay!

Call of Koopa: Mushroom Warfare.

 

[allansianadventurer]

Unless you were playing as the Nazis there wouldn't be a clear cut good guy/bad guy element.

Games need more moral ambiguity.

 

[Hader]

When will we ever be able to play as Nazi Germany? I want to be the bad guys for once, dammit.
It would be a welcome change of perspective. Something new in the world of gaming.

Silent Hunter III?

Yeah it's naval combat but...all Nazi's there.

 

[wickes666]

you couldn't make a game where you actually fought against America, there would be way to much back fire and the game just wouldn't sell or even be allowed to be produced. what you would have to do is set america up as still the good guys, but make a group or faction of them a little bit more insane than the rest and make the protagonist(and or group) get into conflict with said group, which then expands to encompass total combat with America. this would allow the desired fight, and would also help disguise the fact that your in direct contention with the stars and stripes. i would personally love a modern/realistic guerrilla warfare based game, though the developers will be picking through a mine field the whole time. i recommend creating a more noticeable controversial events earlier in the game to distract the whiners, something like shooting up a Russian air port or something

 

[joshuaayt]

Wouldn't fly. The second you shift focus from apple pie baseball cap sweet sweet America to "The Enemy", every one would have something unpleasant to say about it. I mean, killing Middle Easterners is one thing, but killing white Americans? Fuck, that's just wrong.

Also Fox News. I'm Australian, and I still fear Fox News.

Thank you for lumping us all into ignorant, pig-headed, morons with no will power of our own to decide what we want or think...

I would personally love a game where America was the bad guy. It seems like there are so many reasons out there for us to be put in that position, and it's about time that somebody decided to take a stand and create something against the grain like that

I didn't mean the American consumer, I meant the bastards in control- media, politicians, those kinds. They would definitely object.
I'm sure the American public is quite capable of accepting change.

 

[Cain_Zeros]

Eh it will be an interesting concept and i would like to see the Spetznaz and the IRA in Ireland have a team-up against US.

Hell, playing as the IRA normally would be interesting. If they make it a standard run-and-gun, they're definitely doing it wrong.

 

[teisjm]

Honestly, i don't give a grap about what name-tag they throw onto the indentity-less enemies i plow my way through over the course of a shooter.

Didn't bother me that i was killing american cops in GTA, or american mercenary military personel in prototype. Would have bothred me just as little if they had been from any otehr country.

Never gave a thought to who i gunned down in Battlefield, only to what weapons was avalible for the faction i was on (no difference in BFBC2, but in previous games there was) or which faction had which role on the map.

All men are born with equal rights, and are equally fit to be filled with holes from whatever weapon i'm carrying.

 

[Death God]

It would be interesting to play as a Nazi or something like that. I've always rooted for the villains anyhow. Why not play as them.

 

[General_Potatoes]

Hmm not a bad idea. They did that in MW2 with you playing as russians or something shooting up that airport. it was fun i guess.

 

[el_kabong]

The problem with a "Vs. America" game is the same thing that's wrong with all games that glorify American combat. Sure, something against America would add a little variety. But they still do the same thing of making one country/faction/people "the bad guys".

As to the people who say that America doesn't make up the entirety of the gaming market. To this, I will say that America and its allies comprise most of the gaming market. The same reason you won't see a game outwardly villainizing American forces is the same reason you won't see a game that mass villainizes England, France, post WWII Japan and Germany, Canada (although who could hate Canada?), etc.

Has America made mistakes? Of course. But, when push comes to shove, America has the back of the majority of countries that make up the gaming market as we know it. That's why it's hard to paint them as the villain without projecting into the future or proposing an alternative history.

On another note, I seen about the Taliban vs. America. Ok. How about playing the IRA vs. English forces? Does that sit well? How about Chinese Guerrilla forces fighting against Japanese Imperialist invaders? Maybe the Vietnamese driving the French out of occupation?

I'm not saying that any of you from these countries have any issues with portraying these conflicts in video games. Most people who game (by and large) are probably not all that conservative (being as though we support a medium that largely comes under fire from conservatives). I know I could give a fair look at playing the proposed "Vs. America" game.

But, when you're villainizing a country, it's not just the gamers of that country who are going to have the say in things. I'm not sure how many gamers live in Cuba, but Cuba seems pretty upset over the assassination mission in COD: BO.

What I propose is to start creating fake game worlds with their own politics and stories. Not only does this drive away from stereotypes regarding nationality, but allows for the exploration of stories and technology that are apart from what we already know. These may offer allegories and symbolize some modern issues and world players, but by keeping it out of the realm of true reality, you allow all players to experience the game without their "world view" glasses on.