Poll: hypothetical battle saturday: wolverine vs darth vader

[shootthebandit]

So im watching x-men and i thought of a commom nerd scenario could a lightsaber cut through wolverines adamantium bones. To make it a fair fight we will take the force out of the equation because with the force vader could pick up logan and toss him around like a rag doll, vader can use the force but not directly on logan

So basically can a lightsaber cut through wolverines adamantium? What do you think?

N.b I might make this a regular saturday thing. This is a trial and ive started with a popular one...do you guys think this would be a good weekly thread? If so post your suggestions

Edit:
We will assume as i said earlier that vader cannot use the force directly on logan (he can use force intuition and force movement etc) as we can all agree it would be an outright win. We will assume that logans healing is limited to anything less than loss of limb (without surgery) and cutting his head off is fatal

Rules: no flaming
The poll is the decider not me
Feel free to post your suggestions but no obvious ones (eg red hulk vs hulk) so try and pick different cannon but still reasonably well known
I may post limitations as you can see above to make it fair. If you disagree feel free to let me now and why
Have fun!!! Its just a fun discussion not a heated debate

 

[Hero of Lime]

I like indeterminable battle discussions, so this could be a cool weekly thing.

As for the question at hand, I don't know how powerful Wolverine's bones are,(from a comic perspective) but it would be safe to say a lightsaber could cut through. On the other hand, Wolverine is probably a lot faster than Vader, if he can damage Vader's life support system, he wins. Vader's force powers may have the last laugh though, as Vader would say, the power of the Death Star is insignificant to the force, so I guess a mutant would be too? (shrugs)

I'll vote for Vader only because I like the character more, but I wouldn't count Wolverine out either.

 

[tippy2k2]

N.b I might make this a regular saturday thing. This is a trial and ive started with a popular one...do you guys think this would be a good weekly thread? If so post your suggestions

Not to be a debby downer but Versus Threads are highly discouraged from the forum. The thread will likely be locked and therefore, having one every Saturday probably isn't a great idea...

Anyway, Vader would win no question. Here is my re-enactment:

Wolverine: RAAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!!!!!
Vader: *Force Grab
Wolverine: RAAAAAAAAAAAW?
Vader: *Force "throws your *****-ass into an air lock" and releases Wolverine into space
Wolverine: RAAAAAAAAAAAOUCH!!!!

THE END

 

[MHR]

Let's assume a lightsaber Couldn't cut through adamantium.

It would still severely and instantaneously fry all the organic parts like the organs and eyes and muscles. I don't know how powerful Wolverine's regeneration is, but I'm going to say it's a safe bet that a few saber slashes would lay him out easy.

However wolverine's claws would easily kill vader as well. It would seem to be a pretty even fight then about who can get in the deadly blow first.

But then if vader were allowed his force powers he would definitely win. Wolverine would need to get the jump on him or something or take advantage of a moment of weakness on vader's part to have any sort of chance.

 

[anthony87]

Didn't Wolverine regenerate after being blasted by a nuke? I reckon that's stronger than any lightsaber

 

[Fox12]

Wolverines cool, but he's kind of stupid. I don't think he could outmaneuver vader. The new film showed his claws getting severed, so I'm pretty sure the lightsaber could. However, I haven't read the comics, so I'll give wolverine the benefit of the doubt and say it can't. Vader can still suffocate him. I don't think you can regenerate a lack of oxygen. Even then, vader could cut around the skeleton, leaving a bloody mess. The super heated lightsaber would also fuse the skin lacerations closed after the cut, so i'm not certain that Wolverine would be able to regrow his tissue properly.

 

[Zhukov]

So... if you cut Wolverine in half down the middle with a lightsaber, would both halves regenerate and you'd get two Wolverines, like with a starfish?

 

[Silverbeard]

Vader already fought Boba Fett in-universe and that turned into a stalemate.
And, if Karen Traviss is to be believed, Boba Fett is a God of War who can survive losing every organ in his body while falling off a starship onto a planet with earth-like atmosphere. Into a Sarlacc. With its intestines on fire.
Compared to that, Vader could slot Wolverine with no trouble!

 

[TriGGeR_HaPPy]

Didn't Wolverine regenerate after being blasted by a nuke? I reckon that's stronger than any lightsaber

This, I'd say...
I reckon it would come down to Vader's use of the Force. If he was allowed it, he would win. If he wasn't allowed it, even if a lightsaber could cut through adamantium, I'd say Wolverine could win, since any blow to him could still be countered.

But yeah. As you say in the OP, and others here have posted, with the force Vader could win. E.g. chucking him into space (via putting him in an airlock and venting it, or however else). While that might not completely kill him, I'd still say that drifting forever in the void of space is quite a defeat.

 

[Saltyk]

I know versus threads aren't looked upon well, but I would hope that an interesting concept like this could survive as long as flaming doesn't take root.

I'd say that this is Vader's fight to lose. With his Force powers, he should be able to keep Wolverine at a distance, avoid his attacks, and deal with him. On top of that, Vader should have a reach advantage with a lightsaber.

Only question is Wolverine's healing factor and senses. Seems more like a war of attrition than anything else at that point. More a question of what will happen first? Will Wolverine destroy Vader's life-support or will Vader throw him down a pit into the Death Star's Core or something?

So... if you cut Wolverine in half down the middle with a lightsaber, would both halves regenerate and you'd get two Wolverines, like with a starfish?

Well, thanks to a recent Cracked article, I can apparently answer that question. Wolverine, for some stupid reason fought Hulk. And considering Hulk is easily one of the most powerful characters in the Marvel Universe, if not comics in general, you can probably imagine how that went. If not, Hulk ripped Wolverine in half and threw his legs to the top of a mountain. And Wolvy climbed that mountain to reattach his legs.

Also, I think I read somewhere that he once regenerated being hit by a nuclear blast. Fried down to his skeleton.

 

[MHR]

Also, I think I read somewhere that he once regenerated being hit by a nuclear blast. Fried down to his skeleton.

Alright, well that's far more impressive of a regenerative power than I imagined, but the question is, would being slashed around a bit by a lightsaber disable him enough for vader to finish him off?

After Vader grounded Wolverine he could have lackeys throw him out an airlock, subjected to high-energy sustained blast/beam incineration, frozen in carbonite, or he could just stick the lightsaber into his eye socket and incinerate the brain. I don't care how great your regenerative powers are, you shouldn't be able to regenerate incinerated brain. If you somehow miraculously could, you wouldn't remember you wanted to fight Darth Vader in the first place.

Any one of those and Wolverine would be considered "dealt with."

I still maintain that whomever can get in the first significant hits would be the victor. However, since vader has force premonitions he would have the advantage as he would be able to predict Wolverines (likely clumsy and direct) attacks, and counter with a burning hit to the arm muscles severely mangling them. There's a disadvantage for range on Wolverine's claws.

 

[Something Amyss]

I dislike scenarios which take away a primary trait of one competitor. It's like "Who would win in a fight between Batman and Galactus, but Galactus has no powers?" Or "who would win in a fight between Spider-Man and Doctor Strange if Doctor Strange only had his surgical skills"

I'll say this, though: Both universes are inconsistent. Wolverine has both been killed "permanently" (brought back through greater means, not his healing factor) AND survived death by regenerating from a few cells or rescussitation of his corpse. Lightsabers can cut through almost anything not specifically designed to stop it (cortosis weave) and even can cut through some of them (minus cortosis, which shuts off a lightsaber) at a slower rate.

Also, Vader's lightsaber technique is adept at severing limbs at joints, so Wolverine's skeleton wouldn't be that important. The question is which version of Wolverine's healing factor is involved, determining whether or not he can regenerate a severed head or limb.

Captcha: Kick the can.

But is the can adamantium? And can you use the Force on it?

 

[MHR]

Also, Vader's lightsaber technique is adept at severing limbs at joints, so Wolverine's skeleton wouldn't be that important. The question is which version of Wolverine's healing factor is involved, determining whether or not he can regenerate a severed head or limb.

Right, but can Wolverine regenerate instantly from such damage? My guess is that with the cauterizing and the broad strokes from the saber, definitely not. Vader can, by other means, destroy or remove wolverine while he is sufficiently disabled.

 

[Something Amyss]

Any one of those and Wolverine would be considered "dealt with."

In the 90s Marvel vs DC miniseries, Wolverine fought the DC antihero Lobo. As per the rules established by the two "deities" involved, it was fought to imobilisation, as some characters (Lobo included) were immortal or effectively so.

Wolverine won.

I think those terms are fail. Even if Vader can't kill Wolverine (which, again, depends on which version of his healing factor and how powerful it is[footnote]after Magneto ripped the adamantium out of Logan's skeleton, it turned out that his healing factor was actually INHIBITED by the metal[/footnote]), if he can compromise him to the point he cannot fight or serve as a threat, Vader can be considered to have "won" the confrontation.

...Makes me wonder if Wolverine can be successfully encased in carbonite.

 

[Baron von Blitztank]

I can see Wolverine taking this one to be honest.
From what I've seen in Star Wars, Vader isn't that agile a fighter. Wolverine is. Granted I have no idea if the force helps with combat outside of throwing lightsabers like boomerangs, chucking people across rooms and choking motherfuckers, but all Wolvie really needs to do is run up and slice some of the breathing tubes in Vader's suit and he's done.

 

[shootthebandit]

Wolverines cool, but he's kind of stupid. I don't think he could outmaneuver vader. The new film showed his claws getting severed, so I'm pretty sure the lightsaber could. However, I haven't read the comics, so I'll give wolverine the benefit of the doubt and say it can't. Vader can still suffocate him. I don't think you can regenerate a lack of oxygen. Even then, vader could cut around the skeleton, leaving a bloody mess. The super heated lightsaber would also fuse the skin lacerations closed after the cut, so i'm not certain that Wolverine would be able to regrow his tissue properly.

As it says in the OP vader cannot use the force directly on logan or its basically no contest

Also, I think I read somewhere that he once regenerated being hit by a nuclear blast. Fried down to his skeleton.

Alright, well that's far more impressive of a regenerative power than I imagined, but the question is, would being slashed around a bit by a lightsaber disable him enough for vader to finish him off?

After Vader grounded Wolverine he could have lackeys throw him out an airlock, subjected to high-energy sustained blast/beam incineration, frozen in carbonite, or he could just stick the lightsaber into his eye socket and incinerate the brain. I don't care how great your regenerative powers are, you shouldn't be able to regenerate incinerated brain. If you somehow miraculously could, you wouldn't remember you wanted to fight Darth Vader in the first place.

Any one of those and Wolverine would be considered "dealt with."

I still maintain that whomever can get in the first significant hits would be the victor. However, since vader has force premonitions he would have the advantage as he would be able to predict Wolverines (likely clumsy and direct) attacks, and counter with a burning hit to the arm muscles severely mangling them. There's a disadvantage for range on Wolverine's claws.

Wolverine however has his animal instinct which may not be a match for force premonition it will be very close

Also guys ive edited the OP. wolverine cannot heal from loss of limb (without surgery) and cutting his head off is fatal. Also as i stated before vader is free to use the force but not directly on logan (he can still use premonition and force jumps/movement etc)

Have fun guys this is going quite well so far lots of positive reactions and no flaming

 

[shootthebandit]

I can see Wolverine taking this one to be honest.
From what I've seen in Star Wars, Vader isn't that agile a fighter. Wolverine is. Granted I have no idea if the force helps with combat outside of throwing lightsabers like boomerangs, chucking people across rooms and choking motherfuckers, but all Wolvie really needs to do is run up and slice some of the breathing tubes in Vader's suit and he's done.

Thats assuming vaders force intuition doesnt see him coming. If we go down the route of "first hit wins" then its decided by wether or not logans animal/combat intuition, agility and reflexes are better than vaders force intuition and reflexes. Its a tough call

 

[Johnny Novgorod]

Vader wins. The Force doesn't recognize any material limits, I think, what's stopping him from crushing the adamantium skeleton inside Logan? Same with lightsabers, I would guess they can cut through it.

 

[Hagi]

Vader, without a doubt. At least if we're going by the lore of him.

The movies present him as rather slow, bulky and even clumsy, since really that's all they could manage with the effects of that time. The lore presents him as even faster and stronger than he was in his healthy state through a mixture of powerful servos and a constant stream of drugs manufactured through Sith Alchemy. On top of that even if he's incapable able of using the Force on Wolverine directly he'd still be able to use it to enhance his own movements to even greater heights as well as giving him full control of the environment ( he is one of the most powerful Force users of all time ).

In the end Vader is faster, stronger, has the better weapon and can manipulate the environment fully to his will. Even if Wolverine could regenerate to the point of immortality the best he could likely manage is to get himself buried or trapped as Vader uses the Force to dump small mountains of whatever materials are at hand on top of him.

It's mostly not a really fair comparison though. Vader is THE bad guy of a tale on galactic scale. Wolverine is one of many heroes of a tale on mostly planetary scale.

 

[shootthebandit]

Vader wins. The Force doesn't recognize any material limits, I think, what's stopping him from crushing the adamantium skeleton inside Logan? Same with lightsabers, I would guess they can cut through it.

The force has arbritrary limits purely because it evens the battle and focuses more on the lightsabre vs adamantium thing. The general consensus here is what you said about a lightsaber being able to cut through wolverine. but with a lightsaber being concentrated light enery im pretty sure that wolverine has taken a blast from scott sommers and survived it so a lightsabre should be similar