Considering the things that might happen to them, they have my respect for continuing to do their job regardless. There are other dangerous jobs, but they usually don't involve people actively trying to kill you.
Poll: I do not feel more respect or admiration for military personnel than I do for anyone else.
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Sure, you may think that. But what is to stop someone who does not from taking over your country when you don't have a military? You live in an idealistic and naive world, if you think that if the US disbands our military, all other countries will follow, and none of them will try to take advantage of us.CaptainEgypt said:
Freedom is not free. I'm not saying that the military gives you your rights, they protect your rights, and your free exercise of them, even to the point where you can insult the brave men and women who protect your ability to do so.
Those people in Africa under a dictatorship would disagree with your statement that they have all the rights they could ever want merely by existing.
There is a feeling running though this thread that military = freedom from outside oppression. And I ask you, is that true the world over? In Europe I'm pretty sure it isn't. In America and Canada even more so. A lot of the world now fights by squabbling at international summits rather than carpet-bombing. Britiannia has had a bad habit of getting involved with conflicts that have nothing to do with her for some time. I don't think I'm unjustified in saying, therefore, that I am paying for a lot of stuff I don't want and don't use (Trident being the biggest wate of cash I can think of), or that whatever else Britain's soldiers might do, it's not protect my freedoms
I prefer to look down on soldier etc purewly because its a voluntary thing. There must be something seriously wrong with you if you'd wanna go into a war zone and get shot at.
This is why we invented napalm and the nuclear bomb.
If it was drafting and conscription then thatsa totally different story, you dont have much of a choice then.
But volunteering for it? Dude you've got a death wish, seek help.
And before anyone says we dont use napalm because its cruel, maims people blah blah blah. I have only this to say.
The land mines we lay maim people a lot worse than napalm, if you get hit with napalm-B theres a pretty high chance you're gonna be dead. Not just from the flames but from the suffocation it causes because of the de-oxyfication effect it has. Mines however are likely to simply blow off a limb or two leaving you in agony for hours and crippled for life. Personally, I'd rather take the napalm, possible hours of suffering but no lifetime crippling.
Bullets: Well we all know how well they maim people, especially hollow points. Wuld still take the napalm over that.
and our good old favourite - Regular bombs: Flying mines with more yeild...a'll still take the napalm.
Long story short, until my home get invaded, i have nothing put pity for these people who run the line of possible death.
This is why we invented napalm and the nuclear bomb.
If it was drafting and conscription then thatsa totally different story, you dont have much of a choice then.
But volunteering for it? Dude you've got a death wish, seek help.
And before anyone says we dont use napalm because its cruel, maims people blah blah blah. I have only this to say.
The land mines we lay maim people a lot worse than napalm, if you get hit with napalm-B theres a pretty high chance you're gonna be dead. Not just from the flames but from the suffocation it causes because of the de-oxyfication effect it has. Mines however are likely to simply blow off a limb or two leaving you in agony for hours and crippled for life. Personally, I'd rather take the napalm, possible hours of suffering but no lifetime crippling.
Bullets: Well we all know how well they maim people, especially hollow points. Wuld still take the napalm over that.
and our good old favourite - Regular bombs: Flying mines with more yeild...a'll still take the napalm.
Long story short, until my home get invaded, i have nothing put pity for these people who run the line of possible death.
Speaking as a moderator, I think this would've been a much better lead-in for the thread. There's more to talk about here, and it's just straight-up less confrontational, so it's more likely we can actually talk. The potential to address about some of this stuff seriously is the sole reason I haven't closed the thread yet.CaptainEgypt said:
I understand that emotions are running high because of how this whole thread kicked off. Everyone, please wait a moment and think before posting your next response. Even if you're responding to outright flamebait, try to see the emotion and personal experience behind the post rather than just a handful of politicized words on a website.
-- Alex
Sometime I have more respect for them.
But it's not because they are in the military, it's what they've done in life.
Being in the military doesn't curve my respect for someone in either way.
If anything, I respect them for their dedication, because training sounds like hell.
But it's not because they are in the military, it's what they've done in life.
Being in the military doesn't curve my respect for someone in either way.
If anything, I respect them for their dedication, because training sounds like hell.
You can't magically occupy a country with just technology. That fundamental oversight is the key reason for the total failure of Rumsfeld's military doctrine.jasoncyrus said:
Seems to me that that's privilege talkin'. A lot of people go into the military because it's their best shot at a future that actually involves making a living wage.jasoncyrus said:
-- Alex
I have a lot of respect for people in the military. In my experience, people who join the military tend to be either people who want to serve their country (which I think is admirable no matter what your view is on current wars) or people who don't have anywhere else to go after high-school.
Especially regarding the second group, I don't think it is at all fair to classify them as thugs. Almost everyone I know who has joined the military has done so for economic reasons. Choosing to do your country's dirty work so that you can have a future seems respectable to me.
Especially regarding the second group, I don't think it is at all fair to classify them as thugs. Almost everyone I know who has joined the military has done so for economic reasons. Choosing to do your country's dirty work so that you can have a future seems respectable to me.
(Edited out the personal insults. Normally the stuff I removed would be a probation. Let's just try to let the thread cool down a bit instead. -- Alex)
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These guys are harder working than you will ever be OP, and their line of work involves getting shot at. Do you think everyone in the military joined just so they could shoot and kill people? You don't think most of these people had no other alternative choice?
What's better? Fighting for your country/government or selling crack on the corner?
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These guys are harder working than you will ever be OP, and their line of work involves getting shot at. Do you think everyone in the military joined just so they could shoot and kill people? You don't think most of these people had no other alternative choice?
What's better? Fighting for your country/government or selling crack on the corner?
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No you dont magically occupy it. You scientifically annihilate the entire area.Alex_P said:
Nope thats hard work and SACRIFICE talking. Thats 16 years of schooling and higher education talking. Thats an honors degree talking. Thats me working my brain until i can barely scrape up enough thoughts to drag my brain dead ass to bed after a hard night of study.
Thats effort no brawn over brains person who volunteers for military service for a wage can ever understand.
Selling crack, better money, slightly less chance of getting shot it (alightly) drastically smaller chance of getting suicide bombed, road bombed or any other kind of incendiary device used on you.CoziestPigeon said: