chronobreak said:
Random argument man said:
-I'm against war.
-I don't understand the need to get yourself in the military.
-I don't get military families.
-I don't get why people see soldiers as heroes.
-I don't get anything from an army-related idea.
-I (especially) don't get why the people who doesn't want to go to war are seen as cowards.
War is an obession of the old. They send the young to do it. The young just wants honor from the battlefield. They don't realise that they are just licensed killers.
It's good to be against war. So is everybody with half a brain however. War is for when a conflict cannot be worked out in another fashion.
Why get involved in the military? http://www.military.com/benefits Read up on that.
What is there not to get about military families? It's the same as any other tradition, like a family restaurant or factory position. Families pass things down to one another, that's all. Simple.
From Merriam Webster: Hero - 1 a: a mythological or legendary figure often of divine descent endowed with great strength or ability b: an illustrious warrior c: a man admired for his achievements and noble qualities d: one that shows great courage
Now, it would be pretty far fetched to say that a soldier is not a warrior, and also that they do not possess courage. You have to be courageous to be getting shot at and living in the kind of conditions some of them do. As for the part about admiration, well, that's up to you, but I admire courage myself.
I don't know what "I don't get anything from an army-related idea" means, so I can't speak to that, but nobody says people who don't serve are cowards. People do brave things every day right here at home! There's heroes everywhere, big and small, as defined by their courageous actions, and this makes them heroes in their own right.
Finally, soldiers do more than kill people, they are not just licensed killers. This is an ignorant viewpoint.
EDIT: Here's over 5000 reasons to respect a person willing to make the ultimate sacrifice, whether or not you agree with the war: http://www.iraqwarheroes.com/ Notice the suicide prevention hotline number at the top of the page. These people have dealt with and seen horrors that are probably unimaginable to us who haven't served. Show some respect.
Ohh did I waited for this comment? War is for when a conflict cannot be worked out in another fashion eh?
What about those dickwads wars only made for profit?
What about the nazi who wanted Hitler's vision of germany on a global scale? Did Hitler asked in a polite way "Please, kill your jews. They're the human fitlh of this earth."
What about those old greek wars that got started with a Lord who couldn't keep his woman away from another man?
Did they went and negociated with the other nation?
"Why get involved in the military? http://www.military.com/benefits"
Oh great, a list of goodies if you sign up in the army. How swell! How about the psychological troubles? A lot of people that comes back from war that suffers from "post-traumatic stress disorder" (or "shell-shock" if you prefer the WW1 term).
Notice this is the american military benefits list? What about other countries? Do they have the same benefits?
"What is there not to get about military families? It's the same as any other tradition, like a family restaurant or factory position. Families pass things down to one another, that's all. Simple."
Granted, it's a family thing. However, I don't get the idea of saying "Son, you're going into the army like me and grampa. Sure, he died with a bullet from a sniper rifle, but hey you'll be fine".
The hero argument...Why does anyone wants to go in a hostile environnement in the first place? Searching for something that causes harm? Isn't that...Insanity?
You see someone banging his head on the wall and you ask "Why are you doing that?" and he responds with "Someone told me too" or "I wanted to do it". What do you do? More important, what do you think? Is it "He's insane" or "Why would he do that?".
"Finally, soldiers do more than kill people, they are not just licensed killers. This is an ignorant viewpoint."
Ok, let's talk about something called genocide. True, the orders came from the higher up. But why would the soldiers follow them if they know they're gonna kill A LOT of people? They follow orders? In that case, should I change the "licensed killers" idea to the "mindless humans who follow orders?"
Many germans were pro-hitler contrary of what Valkyrie would say to you. Those (I said those and not all) germans that permitted a genocide of 6 million jews. Those soldiers who gladly followed the order. It was ok for them. They killed a lot of them. Therefore, they are killers. Since it was "ok", wouldn't the term "Licensed killers" fit in this spot.
War is an illusion to you: One of grandeur and courage. To me it's an illusion of needless actions and insanity. You'll pick your illusion, i'll pick mine.
