Poll: I love steak...am I a terrible person

[FamoFunk]

No. Eating Steak makes you an awesome human being, and the world needs more awesome.

 

[DanielBrown]

Steak good.
Protein good.
Me hungry now!

 

[Sprinal]

I really, really love steak, and I'm wondering if I'm a terrible person for taking great joy in ingesting dead cow.

As long as said stake is not over done Kangaroo then I approve....


Damn it now I want to eat more Kangaroo...

 

[CarlMin]

Not necessary bad for eating a dead cow, but perhaps for supporting an industry which destroys lakes and produces massive amounts of hazardous oxidation.

So yeah, it makes you a bad person in the same sense someone driving an old SUV to work in a bad person.

 

[CarlMin]

Would you feel bad for eating an orange?

I mean, it's sorta worse I guess than eating a full grown cow, in that you're literally eating the fetus of an orange tree.

You eat fruit or vegetables, you are eating babies, you sick fuck. Wait, you ENJOY eating babies?!?!?! *Gathers the lynch mob*

It just is what it is. It's how life is designed. You eat, you shit, you die and some are eaten before their time.

nothin you can do about it. And there is no point questioning yourself on it as well.

That's a bit of a nasty simplification, isn't it? It's not like you can compare a an animal to a bloody fruit. Besides, you conveniently overlook the environmental impact of meat production [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_impact_of_meat_production].

 

[phantasmalWordsmith]

You're doing what nature intended and what is intended for the animal. It's natural to consume to provide energy and protein for yourself and if you just so happen to enjoy eating that particular meal, that's just a bonus. Ultimately, a cow would've died at some stage anyway, no matter how many steaks you didn't eat, so might as well make the cow useful

 

[gunny1993]

No but IMO you can help the environment and get better tasting meat (if you're willing to cook it) by buying veal and secondary cuts... (about 80% of all male dairy calfs are culled on birth because there is very little use for them) I try to but all meat from a butcher I trust so I know the quality of the animals life was good. (this ofc is not practical for all people)..... MORAL HIGH GORUND AWAAAAAAY

 

[gunny1993]

I really, really love steak, and I'm wondering if I'm a terrible person for taking great joy in ingesting dead cow.

As long as said stake is not over done Kangaroo then I approve....


Damn it now I want to eat more Kangaroo...

Kangaroo is like the best mince meat I've ever had ... And ofc Grey Kangaroos are a pest in Australia so eating them is just practical

 

[RubyT]

I don't tell other people to do the same thing. They're my morales, not yours.

Are you sporting that attitude when you see thugs break into a car or molest a young girl?

Are you seriously comparing eating steak to child molestation?

No, I'm not and you know it. Eating a steak is not the same as child molestation, grand theft auto, littering or disrespecting the elderly. You trying to deflect an argument that way is just bad discussion practice.

It's also fascinating to see how easily people brush aside possible moral dilemmas with the "I'm a manly man and manly men eat beef!"-meme. I should look up one of those piracy-threads to find out how many of the same people throw hissy-fits about duplicating bits and bytes - because that's just wrong - but then display a discussion logic here that would make it okay for me to round up stray cats and dogs and set them on fire because I find their screaming pleasing.

"Dude, I think that's horrible, but if it floats your boat, I respect that!"

 

[Pinstar]

No.

Anyone who says otherwise just secretly wants more steak for themselves.

 

[Killertje]

Are pedophiles terrible people for loving children?


No, but they are evil for fucking children... So love away, just don't fuck your steak

 

[Arakasi]

Well, I realize you are being deliberately crass, but still...

Don't dare presume intent without sufficent evidence.

Actually, animals aren't humans from any point of view.

Homo Sapiens belongs in the biological kindom Animalia. So biologically, we are classified as animals.

Yes but it does not work both ways.
Humans = Animals
Animals ≠ Humans

Killing them without needing too is perfectly fine if you want to.
Y'know, so long as it's done in a humane manner and whatnot.

No. Most people will let insects and the like pass, but when we come to mammals, who are irrefutably able to feel pain, distress, suffering, you do NOT have a $deity-given right to kill them without need.

I do not have a deity given right to kill without need, simply because there are no deities.
Nothing is inherently wrong, and as such we decide what is wrong.
Is a capacity to feel suffering a prerequisite for the imposition of animal interests over ours?
I argue that a beings rights only become equal with that of humans when the being is a person, i.e. rational and self-consious. Other than equality it is nigh impossible to draw a line at where it is acceptable to treat another creature.

Don't get me wrong, I would not kill an animal unless I needed or wanted something from it, it's fur to stop me freezing, its meat to keep me full, whatever.

Eating meat harms no person, thus is not in violation of any philosophical rule I've heard of.

You haven't heard many philosophical rules then.

Go on then, name me a rule.

Sure it can work, but it isn't easy for your everyday person, especially your everyday poor, hardworking person, when meat is cheap and effective.
Your post is exactly the reason that vegans come off as elitist.

Don't know where you come from, but where I live, meat tends to be more expensive per kilo then vegetables and most fruits.
Nice touch with the hardworking person, it must have itched you to write 'American'. You rhetoric sounds stereotypical right-winged. As with most people on FOX News, I can't tell whether you're trolling, being cynical or serious.

You start off by saying you don't know where I live, but then instantly presume that I am American, which, I will have you know, is entirely wrong.
I mentioned hardworking because I would imagine it would be rather difficult to balance a diet easily to include protein and whatever other benifits you get from meat, when you work 12 hours a day. Not that I would know about that.
Also, likening me, to Fox News? Ad hominem much.
Fyi, I am being cynical.

You're actually better off being either a fish eater, a vegitarian, or an occasional meat eater, as veganism and regular meat eaters have the highest mortality rate, although it was mentioned that the vegitarianism score was due primarily to low smoking rates.

There is no scientific consensus about any of this (yet).

Those stats are from a direct scientific study.
That's all there is to it.

You can really go either way, as long as you don't go around making others feel guilty.

What a lame argument. A lot of things have made people "feel guilty" at some point or another. One of the many reasons for the American Civil War was people not wanting to feel guilty for owning slaves.

Nothing wrong with making someone feel guilty if it is for a good cause, however I do not feel that this is a good cause.

Please note that I do not condone animal cruelty, or barbaric slaughtering techniques, merely the use of animals in the way we feel nessecary.

 

[JasonKaotic]

I don't tell other people to do the same thing. They're my morales, not yours.

Are you sporting that attitude when you see thugs break into a car or molest a young girl?

Are you seriously comparing eating steak to child molestation?

No, I'm not and you know it. Eating a steak is not the same as child molestation, grand theft auto, littering or disrespecting the elderly. You trying to deflect an argument that way is just bad discussion practice.

It's also fascinating to see how easily people brush aside possible moral dilemmas with the "I'm a manly man and manly men eat beef!"-meme. I should look up one of those piracy-threads to find out how many of the same people throw hissy-fits about duplicating bits and bytes - because that's just wrong - but then display a discussion logic here that would make it okay for me to round up stray cats and dogs and set them on fire because I find their screaming pleasing.

"Dude, I think that's horrible, but if it floats your boat, I respect that!"

Well, no, not really. If you deflect "My morales are not your morales" while taking about meat eating with "WELL WHAT ABOUT PAEDOPHILES AND THIEVES" you're being pretty petty. There's a big difference. Child molestation and burglary have victims. The animals are already dead, so in eating meat, there is no victim. I know the argument you'll come out with there if you're a vegetarian/vegan too, and I half-agree with you, but that's reason for us to be pissed off at the farmers, not the people eating the meat. Other animals eat meat too. It's nature. It's how they're killed that makes the difference, whether they're farmed or just hunted, and for that reason, be angry at the farmers. The people eating the meat are just doing what they've done for millions of years. I don't eat meat because I don't want to support our way of making it. But other people aren't going to care just because I say they should. And to finish off my first point: If there's a victim, it's not a matter of morales, you just don't do it. If there's no victim, then it's debatable.

Edit: It's worth mentioning that this is exactly the sort of shitstorm the OP was probably trying to create. Congratulations.

 

[PrinceFortinbras]

I argue that a beings rights only become equal with that of humans when the being is a person, i.e. rational and self-consious.

So by that logic would it be morally permitted to kill and eat a brain-dead human?

Well, no, not really. If you deflect "My morales are not your morales" while taking about meat eating with "WELL WHAT ABOUT PAEDOPHILES AND THIEVES" you're being pretty petty. There's a big difference. Child molestation and burglary have victims. The animals are already dead, so in eating meat, there is no victim.

If you eat meat in a market economy you are creating the incentive for the slaughter of animals. So even if you are not directly responsible, you definitively are indirectly responsible.

 

[ArnRand]

Obviously you aren't a bad person.

But as a vegetarian, my diet is enviromentally and (arguably) ethically superior to yours.

So screw you guys! *walks away with middle finger held out*

(yeah I'm filling the stereotype of the smug vegetarian...but damn does it feel good!)

 

[Arakasi]

I argue that a beings rights only become equal with that of humans when the being is a person, i.e. rational and self-consious.

So by that logic would it be morally permitted to kill and eat a brain-dead human?

Unfortunately no, it would probably affect grieving relatives.
Although, if the human was entirely connectionless, then yes, it would be morally permissable.
Not that I would do it, I'm no zombie cannibal.

Well, no, not really. If you deflect "My morales are not your morales" while taking about meat eating with "WELL WHAT ABOUT PAEDOPHILES AND THIEVES" you're being pretty petty. There's a big difference. Child molestation and burglary have victims. The animals are already dead, so in eating meat, there is no victim.

If you eat meat in a market economy you are creating the incentive for the slaughter of animals. So even if you are not directly responsible, you definitively are indirectly responsible.

Your argument here is apt, although it should be noted that killing animals for food is perfectly acceptable anyway. So there is really no problem.

 

[ArnRand]

Obviously you aren't a bad person.

But as a vegetarian, my diet is enviromentally and (arguably) ethically superior to yours.

So screw you guys! *walks away with middle finger held out*

(yeah I'm filling the stereotype of the smug vegetarian...but damn does it feel good!)

Considering how many animals die for the growing of the food for a vegetarian diet, you really don't have a superior leg to stand on.

Whoah whoah whoah.

What animals die becasue of my diet?

If this is true it would be pretty bad for me, but somehow I'm doubting that you are correct.