Poll: I should respect Muslim Traditions regarding women?

[Carlston]

Gah, I'm a non-denominational Reverend, and this is classic example of not the laws of god but the laws of man.

When you have to secure faith with the threat of death you truly have no faith at all. If you fear, you have no faith, if you try and force people to not teach science you have no faith. As faith means the one you pray to will see you through.

I experienced these people first hand. And the Muslim religion they practice is more a human sacrificing cult. Makes me wonder if they really need to look in a mirror when they talk about the Great Satan.

And no I will not accept MOST muslims are not like this. They are, those who are in countries that force them to not murder, honor kill ect are a pitiful minority who still refuse to condem the barbaric acts of the rest of the world.

Rev C

 

[Carlston]

There not actually Mulsim traditions. There Arabic tribal traditions. Still horrible, obviously.

That's true. Unfortunately, a lot of Arab tribal tradition made it into Islam. Frankly, what I've seen and read, pre-Islamic Arabia was a lot worse than Islamic Arabia.

Oh, and the stoning and stuff is just using Islam as a scape goat. My guess (and I'm not sure, so if someone wants to correct me), they're stoning her because she committed adultery. However, did they prove it, as needed by Shiria law? [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zina_(Arabic)]

True - I talk to a Mulsim I work with fairly regularly, and he did mention what pre-Islamic Arabic's where like - things like raiding other tribes for women, and burying any girls born in the tribe alive. Nasty stuff.

And all things that Muhammad very specifically tried to get rid of (to varying success).


In other words, yes, you should respect Muslim traditions regarding women. First, though, I suspect you should learn what Muslim traditions regarding women actually are. Shit like this, they're not.

My biggest problem with it is not enough condem the action, and honestly when the fast growing religion behaves in such manners, and not due to the text but for control of people.

The modern world, a man rapes a woman. That man needs to be punished. This whole you left alone with a man BS needs to stop. So what stops a Muslim man from murdering and raping in these counties if it's a law of god (sorry law of MAN)

When the extreamists become the majority and take over countries and change laws so they can still behave like village level warlords, and murder people who try and leave or change religion is the true insult to god.

 

[Hyper-space]

Why the fuck not? It's their fucking traditions. Also, this was in Africa, so ofcourse it's barbaric. Barbaric is the norm for that country. Show me one person who wouldn't beg for mercy when being stoned.

This crap is all over the muslim world, not just africa. Just because it's their culture doesn't mean it should be allowed. The Nazis had a culture too, should we have just allowed their actions to go unchallenged because of their culture? Your complacency is a crime against humanity in and of itself, you might not be the one selling a thirteen year old girl to a man who's going to rape her and call her his wife but you're ok with it, you're allowing it.

So what if it's their culture, did the women choose that culture? Did they choose to be subjected to such treatment? No, they were born into it like a slave born into bondage, and no civilized person should respect that.

agree.

just because its "tradition" to perform barbaric acts such as this doesn't mean its supposed be allowed now that we live in a civilized 21st century.

 

[Lukirre]

I didn't read your post, but I'm pretty sure you're trying to act a whole lot smarter than you really are.

And from this, it's pretty obvious you're doing what you claim I am.

 

[Lukirre]

I didn't read your post, but I'm pretty sure you're trying to act a whole lot smarter than you really are.

And from this, it's pretty obvious you're doing what you claim I am.

And that that, it's pretty obvious you're just trying to get attention on this forum because no one else gives it to you otherwise

I'm sorry, but you're just hilariously bad at this.

You keep making attacks at me that can just as easily be placed upon yourself.

This is my last comment, so go ahead and get your fill of the "last laugh" if you want.

 

[UpcountryGecko]

No where in the Qu'ran does it say that women are not equal to men. No where in the Qu'ran does it state that women should be covered up, these sexist traditions are babaric and have nothing to do with Islam, truthly the Qu'ran stress' equality between both sexes.

 

[Haliwali]

I think the British in India had the right idea for this kind of thing when they banned the tradition in which the widows of Indian tribesman would throw themselves on their husband's funeral pyre. When the British banned this practice an Indian leader complained to a British official who basically told him that if he wanted to follow that tradition go ahead but the British would also follow their tradition and hang anyone who makes a woman burn herself alive. Problem solved.

THIS MAN IS TOTALLY RIGHT!

Oh my good look at that genius. Yeah dude! White people, should go to OTHER countries. And then change THAT countries culture! Hell yeah!

Seriously, this forum needs that same "Audio Preview" for posts as Youtube has for comments

So...we should have let them carry on with forcing women to burn themselves alive?

I'm not trying to defend the Empire, but I think this particular item in its history isn't exactly a black mark.

I was being sarcastic. People need to stop trying to push views on other people. It's why the crusades happened. It's why the holocaust happened. It's why I was an /i/nsurgency Mod for 2 years.

Crusades were trying to retake the holy Land. That wasn't a cultural invasion, that was a war.

 

[cjbos81]

Has anyone stopped to consider that maybe she deserved it.

13 and already commiting adultery, she's out of control.

In a few years, she might have been smoking or even staying out past curfew.

 

[oktalist]

I abstained from the unfair poll. I don't think it's exactly a Muslim tradition.

Traditions like the burqa or hijab, sure.

 

[Loves2spooge]

Personally I don't think it boils down to respecting the religious choice of an individual, but respecting the person themselves. There are so many inane rules which have been established over thousands of years, and living in a secular society it's easy to notice the progressive differences between those who have chosen to uphold religious values, and those who have chosen to acknowledge their increasing rights in an advancing civilisation.

The fact that some people out there have chosen uphold traditions that they believe true and pious, then who's anyone to say otherwise? We may not agree with the conduct and actions of others, but we can still recognise that these are still individuals, who choose to live the way they do, and that's one thing we as humans are lucky to have.

Some traditions may be barbaric, and it may seem the traditions of some religions are put in place to assert the dominance of one party over another, but it needs to be taken into consideration that most of these texts that have been read over hundreds of years are likely to misinterpreted at some point.

It's also important to note that a lot of previously strict societies that restricted the rights for women have embraced some forms of equality; for example in Iran it's no longer law that a woman can only walk in public unless accompanied by a man, or that she has to adorn full religious garbs at all time.

Ultimately though, an argument like this boils down to one thing; what one person see's as unjust is another person's justice. In other words, it's easy to look at something we don't understand and perhaps not comprehend and say that it's wrong, but to another person it's tradition and it's the norm, and we shouldn't impose our beliefs upon anyone else. Yes, it's right to speak out if what's happening is a threat to a person's life, but even if you understand the reasoning behind such objectionable actions it doesn't mean you can control it, but at the same time, it doesn't mean you have to agree with it.

P.S. This is my first post
P.P.S. I have no religious affiliation

 

[j0frenzy]

Simply put, we have no right to go into these countries and tell them how to live. This has been upheld since the Westphalia Treaty in the 1600s. And for everyone who says that we didn't put up with it in Nazi Germany, we did. The Holocaust started in roughly 1933 with the stripping of rights. World War II did not start until 1939 and that was because Germany invaded Poland, not because Europe suddenly decided that the Germans were abusing its citizens.
To add the problem, we are not dealing with a single country or government, but a bunch of rural areas in many countries spanning two continents. It is not feasible for any country to invade that many countries and station soldiers in each village and instruct all of its citizens on human rights according to a bunch of people who they will never meet. And even if anybody did, I am pretty sure all of these countries would get more than a little annoyed at having someone invade them to properly instruct its citizens.
These women do need their rights protected, but it is not going to happen soon, all at once, and not by a massive invasive force but through cultural revolution that spreads to the rural areas just like every other country had.

 

[MiracleOfSound]

Reading that article has given a horrible twisting nausious feeling in my stomach.

What kind of a species are we that we can inflict such utter cruelty on eachother? There is no possible validation or justification for this kind of act and those responsible will meet thier punishment in the afterlife if there is any justice in the universe.