Poll: ibanez

[Kif]

Besides being harder to learn how to read, sheet music also has another downfall: its musicality. When you see musicians playing together reading from sheet music, they'll play exactly what's printed on the paper, and nothing more or less. It has no improvisation, no brilliant things. I personally like a bit of a modulation in what I hear - it just keeps music interesting.

That's wrong, you can fail your exams in piano for playing exactly what is on the sheet music... depending on the piece.

The plectrum argument is invalid. It's needed to play many things on an electric guitar. I'm a classically trained guitar player, but I play metal for the most part now. I can finger pick very, very well, but can I play metal finger picking? No, it's damn impossible. Can I play classical music with a plectrum? Again, no, it's damn impossible. Plectrums don't make things easier - they make things possible. You try and play something like Y.R.O. by Racer X with no plectrum and see how that goes. And that's not even a particularly difficult or fast song.

Also, I think you've not understood my point. The point is that someone who has only ever played with a pick will be useless at picking not that you should be able to finger pick all types of music. I use a pick when I'm playing things that require it, but like you because I have practiced at both I can play finger picked songs too.

 

[AWAR]

No. Ibanez are not my thing. There are Strats with way better sound at this kind of price.

 

[meticadpa]

On that note... I don't think there should be music exams. Just my opinion, but I don't think stuff like that should be assessed. And I guess that depends where you're from - in Scotland, here, you get failed if you improvise even slightly and it's actually perfectly suited to the piece.

No. Ibanez are not my thing. There are Strats with way better sound at this kind of price.

Totally different.

I had a Fender Lite Ash strat and it was totally unsuited for shredding or anything heavier than Mr. Big.

 

[Hazzaslagga]

My Jackson king v kvx10 is good enough for me customised with with emg pickups mind you i would prefer it without a tremolo (they're a ***** to tune)

I'm sure if you asked the greatest metal guitarist in the world to play a piece of classical guitar with sheet music they'd be screwed but if you asked a classical guitarist to play some typical metal they'd muddle through.

Try asking Alexi Laiho (or however it's spelt)
he's got a good video on youtube showing him playing vilvaldi. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZspGWM-aWs

Watched it, think you've miss understood the definition of classical guitar, it's a technique not necessarily the type of music, he still looks like he's playing metal. Though, I cant hear it while at work I'm sure it would make me sad to hear Vivaldi murdered.

True it's not the classical technique but a classical piece but he did study classical guitar for several years I believe. plus the guitars on the video sound like violins

 

[Yagharek]

That was my point about plectrums. You use them depending on what you are playing. They make playing metal easier. Finger picking makes playing classical easier. And yes, for the harder stuff, possible.

What I mean by intonation is more just, how it sounds. Tonality is maybe a better word? Sort of a stylistic thing. How you intone the note.

Someone playing a metal song, even if they manage it with fingerpicking(say it's not a really difficult song), still isn't going to sound the same, because they're playing it like a classical musician.

Similarly, a metal guitarist playing an easier classical song and hitting every note, still won't make it sound the same, because they've not learnt classical guitar, and it is different.

 

[meticadpa]

That was my point about plectrums. You use them depending on what you are playing. They make playing metal easier. Finger picking makes playing classical easier. And yes, for the harder stuff, possible.

What I mean by intonation is more just, how it sounds. Tonality is maybe a better word? Sort of a stylistic thing. How you intone the note.

Someone playing a metal song, even if they manage it with fingerpicking(say it's not a really difficult song), still isn't going to sound the same, because they're playing it like a classical musician.

Similarly, a metal guitarist playing an easier classical song and hitting every note, still won't make it sound the same, because they've not learnt classical guitar, and it is different.

Ahh, I totally understand you now.

You mean that even if a metal guitar player played classical music using a plectrum, it's still going to sound like a metal guitar player playing classical music, because of the techniques used.

This is true. My friend who is an exceptional classical guitar player is a fan of metal, but he can't really play it at all. He plays me under the table with classical music though.

When he plays it, it's just... weird.

 

[Yagharek]

Besides being harder to learn how to read, sheet music also has another downfall: its musicality. When you see musicians playing together reading from sheet music, they'll play exactly what's printed on the paper, and nothing more or less. It has no improvisation, no brilliant things. I personally like a bit of a modulation in what I hear - it just keeps music interesting.

That's wrong, you can fail your exams in piano for playing exactly what is on the sheet music... depending on the piece.

Same on the violin.

However, that is when you are playing individually. When with an orchestra, everyone will be playing the same thing. But that is just because there are so many of them, and they need to, because if everyone changed it slightly, it would add up. This would be the same for any instrument if there are lots of you, though often there will be one person who can improvise/solo.

This is the same with a band. Hendrix might be throwing in improvisations, but the bass guy isn't going to suddenly change the key. Though, with small bands, you do get, occaisionally, everybody improvising. Most of the time it's rubbish, and the more people their are, the harder it would be to make it sound good.

 

[Yagharek]

That was my point about plectrums. You use them depending on what you are playing. They make playing metal easier. Finger picking makes playing classical easier. And yes, for the harder stuff, possible.

What I mean by intonation is more just, how it sounds. Tonality is maybe a better word? Sort of a stylistic thing. How you intone the note.

Someone playing a metal song, even if they manage it with fingerpicking(say it's not a really difficult song), still isn't going to sound the same, because they're playing it like a classical musician.

Similarly, a metal guitarist playing an easier classical song and hitting every note, still won't make it sound the same, because they've not learnt classical guitar, and it is different.

Ahh, I totally understand you now.

You mean that even if a metal guitar player played classical music using a plectrum, it's still going to sound like a metal guitar player playing classical music, because of the techniques used.

This is true. My friend who is an exceptional classical guitar player is a fan of metal, but he can't really play it at all. He plays me under the table with classical music though.

When he plays it, it's just... weird.

Yeah, this. I only know a couple of people who can play both well, and they had to learn both styles seperately, not just apply the techniques from one style to another.

 

[child of lileth]

Nope.

1: I don't like Ibanez to begin with, and for that price, you could get a nice Gibson, or an ESP, or anything better. (A brand new Gibson Explorer cost me less than that.)

2: I personally hate the SG shape. And the shape doesn't fit my body anyway, so it would be pointless to me.

3: Even though that's a 6 string in the picture, if I was going to get a 7 string, I'd get an ESP for that.

 

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

I don't play metal, so that is not appealing. If I did want a "super-strat", for that kinda money...I'd buy a Jackson.

Currently I play.

Spoiler

Largely because I can't afford a nice hollowbody, and this seemed like a good alternative.

Cheap as hell, but has a glorious twang to it, and I don't feel bad abusing it.

 

[meticadpa]

Yeah, this. I only know a couple of people who can play both well, and they had to learn both styles seperately, not just apply the techniques from one style to another.

Yep. I'm not the world's best classical guitar player, but I'm pretty competent. I only really play metal these days though, and if I do play classical music, I usually metal it up on guitar and change it a little.

It's just like an opera singer trying to sing pop music I guess. Even if she hits all the right notes, it's still gonna be weird.

 

[Shirokurou]

My local stores are stacked with Ibanez, so I grew to love them. Out of habit.

 

[Kif]

Yeah, this. I only know a couple of people who can play both well, and they had to learn both styles seperately, not just apply the techniques from one style to another.

Yep. I'm not the world's best classical guitar player, but I'm pretty competent. I only really play metal these days though, and if I do play classical music, I usually metal it up on guitar and change it a little.

It's just like an opera singer trying to sing pop music I guess. Even if she hits all the right notes, it's still gonna be weird.

Like Charlotte Church? Apparently to make the conversion you would need a shed load of alcohol, snack food and a rugby player to do the nasty with.

 

[meticadpa]

Like Charlotte Church? Apparently to make the conversion you would need a shed load of alcohol, snack food and a rugby player to do the nasty with.

Hahahaha!

She does have a Godly rack though.

 

[lacktheknack]

I don't play guitar... I wouldn't mind learning, though.

 

[Antiparticle]

Oh, that Ibanez. I thought you meant Francisco (F.) Ibanez, creator of the "Mort & Phil" comics. Oh well. Never mind.

 

[Nautical Honors Society]

This beauty is an Ibanez RGD2120Z as you may have noticed it is a 6 string guitar
but it also comes in 7 string models
it has a Edge-Zero bridge/tremolo with ZPS3 system for tuning stability
for more information visit this website http://www.ibanez.com/ElectricGuitars/Series-rgd_prestige

this actualy looks like an excellent guitar to play but what do all you in the fourm think about it
it is apparently priced at $1,299.99 but there is always a way to get it cheaper

also we all have a dream guitar that we want to play so what is your dream guitar/bass that you really want to play?
give details and website(s) and/or pictures and of that guitar/bass

Do you use tremolo like crazy in every song you play? Or at least a lot in general?

If not than the Floyd Rose style will get super annoying when it comes to tuning and restringing.

Why don't you just pick up a Fender?

 

[ChromeAlchemist]

Spoiler

In my opinion, this is the only guitar that will ever matter. If I owned it, I wouldn't play it. I'd frame it in a case above my bed so that every morning when I woke up I got to see it's beauty, if possible, I'd have a copy made and put it at the foot of my bed so I'd have a good day twice. I'm not a guitarist, I'm a bassist/ocarina player if you're curious./

1:00 onwards.

This is my guitar.

 

[meticadpa]

Do you use tremolo like crazy in every song you play? Or at least a lot in general?

If not than the Floyd Rose style will get super annoying when it comes to tuning and restringing.

Why don't you just pick up a Fender?

Fenders are vastly unsuited to most of the stuff I play. It's probably the same for him if he's considering a 7 string Ibanez.