Poll: If Jesus ran for president, would you vote for him?
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Depends whether we say Jesus is capable of human error. If so there is a risk one of the many followers and assistants needed to run things and form policy would be a bad apple so things might not be perfect. One man simply can't run everything.
Naturally if he is divinely perfect, efficient and good job of character he'd be better than all other candidates, but since delegation is inevitable things that doesn't mean things would be perfect, though they might improve over time (and likely get worse again once he dies and others take over).
Though if he didn't take to task a lot of the idiots who invoked his name over the centuries to wage wars and oppress minorities such as homosexuals I might start to lose a bit of confidence and worry he'd been affected by growing up among the prejudices of the 1st Century AD.
Naturally if he is divinely perfect, efficient and good job of character he'd be better than all other candidates, but since delegation is inevitable things that doesn't mean things would be perfect, though they might improve over time (and likely get worse again once he dies and others take over).
Though if he didn't take to task a lot of the idiots who invoked his name over the centuries to wage wars and oppress minorities such as homosexuals I might start to lose a bit of confidence and worry he'd been affected by growing up among the prejudices of the 1st Century AD.
How does "disbelief in the existence of a supreme being or beings." mean certainty?Jonabob87 said:
Besides atheism stems from "atheos" which means "without god". Which is essentially what most atheists identify themselves with.
Besides then most atheists would fall under the agnostic classification, even Dawkins, Hitchens, Dennett and Harris. Would you not call them atheists?
Again it doesn't set out to disprove God's existence. Read the book, find the part where it says it will prove God is not real.Jonabob87 said:
Two things:triggrhappy94 said:
1. I do not vote based no religion and usually not even based on party. I'm agnostic, and which fictional character is your eternal buddy is of no concern to me. Unless you're using him as an excuse to blow people up. Then we have a problem.
2. Which Jesus? The one who urged his follower to lay down his weapon because he who lives by the sword will die by it? The one who told people to sell their tools for weapons?
The one who was here to bring peace, or the one who came here bringing a sword?
Also, can you point the passage where Jesus brought up gays? I know of Cornithians, Timothy, Leviticus, and a few others, but none of them are actually Jesus' words. Even then, their meaning is dubious, but the noteworthy thing is they were all not spoken by Jesus.
Back to point 2, the problem is many Biblical figures are poorly written. Jesus is one of them, often contradicting himself. It gets worse once Paul takes over the Church, because he was all "screw was Jesus said, this religion is now my personal vehicle."
And it's remained that way for centuries upon centuries. Politicians today spreach about Christian values while they cheat on their spouses, screw men and kids, lie, cheat, steal, all in the name of a God supposedly against all of those.
A final thought which may have been mentioned in the last 11 pages, There's a good chance that if Biblical Jesus was real and returned, he would be totally piss off the religious right. Not a certainty, because there are conflicting passages, but still.
EDIT: And despite likely coming off as "anti-christian," I would vote for him if his values really were that of peace and love. But then he'd be a dirty hippie commie and Americans would hate him. But the point was more that, as an inconsistent figure, it's hard to ACTUALLY nail down what Jesus would do.
If this is anything to go by, I think we'll all have to vote for him. (If we like living, that is.)
http://www.cracked.com/article_18948_5-real-deleted-bible-scenes-in-which-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html
http://www.cracked.com/article_18948_5-real-deleted-bible-scenes-in-which-jesus-kicks-some-ass.html
Well, Duh. The world is black and white, and therefore a lack of belief in something means a certain belief in the lack of something.Boris Goodenough said:
...Wait, if he accepted agnostics as simply not believing, that doesn't work.
DAMMIT!
Even if He was NOT divine, he was the son of a carpenter, not anyone important in society, who was a good enough speaker that roughly 1/3 of people worship him 2000 years after his death.
There is no chance any candidate would be able to compete with that.
There is no chance any candidate would be able to compete with that.
think of the diplomatic power he would wield, revered as a prophet in the middle east, he could probably end those conflicts.
Trivia time!Risingblade said:
The 'turn the other cheek' thing is more than it seems at first glance. Masters would, for example, backhand slaves, and backhanded slaps were a way of saying 'you're inferior to me', or something along those lines. By turning the other cheek, you force them to slap you with the front of their hand. It's telling them 'I don't care if you hit me, I'm still your equal'.