Poll: If the Force was real would people be on the Light or Dark side.

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Xrysthos

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Lightbunny said:
I wouldn't adhere to such childish notions of "light" and "dark".

Good and evil are abstracts. There is only power, and I intend to use it however I damn well please.
Exactly. And in a Star Wars universe doing what you please and not having to abide by rules, codes or what not would sum up to approximately the Dark side. Which is fine by me, because that's where I'd be, anyways. It has nothing to do with being good or evil - these are only points of view, aiding us in simple classification of people and powers around us. The question might be what emotions one would use to fuel one's powers, and in my case it wouldn't be the protection of others etc., but anger, lust and the likes of it. Hence, I would "be on the Dark side", if you like.
 

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I voted dark but I would be neutral so I dont have to obey stupid rules. But I would start as dark so I would get better training in like lightning and choke and for people who know it death field. But then neutral. I would have a double bladed red lightsaber because lets face it their the best I would also have 2 single red lightsabers hid in my blach cloack
 

Azraellod

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in theory i would rank myself as good, but a lot of people consider my ideals evil, so... evil then.
 

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US Crash Fire said:
i want the dark sides powers (force choke and lightning) but i would use them for good
that defies the point doesn't it?

BTW i would be as evil as fucking possible. with a red double bladed sabre(darth maul style).
 

Xabekrn

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Well I'd have to be neutral, I'd Want to serve myself only, but I could bring myself to truly be evil. I would want the power and never take anyone's orders, but evil is to far.
 

Therumancer

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It's an irrelevent question, you don't really get the abillity to pick.

Ignoring the whole Mitachlorians thing, it's important to understand that Star Wars is based around a cycle. It's really a pretty grim concept when you get down to it.

The idea is that good and evil get turns controlling reality. Once one side has dominated long enough The Force itself engineers a change, leading to a brief period of balance and chaos, and then ending with the other side taking over for a few thousand years.

So basically what happened was you had a period where The Sith had an empire and were mostly dominant, then they got wiped out by the Jedi, and then we saw a Republic rule the galaxy in relative peace and harmony for a few thousand years. Then as the movies pick up you wind up with this prophecy that Anakin is going to bring balance to The Force. Well, when the universe is working fine, and the good guys are in charge the only place to go for balance is "Down". The Empire was simply the tool used to re-assemble everything into a balanced form.

I think George Lucas danced around the idea of ever doing sequels himself "officially" because in the end they would be very downbeat.

The reason why the Sith are so tough in the movies is because the universe is literally on their side, and ordaining their victory for the most part. You'll notice all the good guys are talking about how the force is cloudy and such, that's because their powers are waning while the other side comes in to replace them.

Pretty much things were supposed to have happened to the Sith in reverse. Time for balance, their powers become "cloudy" and then you have a handfull of Jedi start wiping the floor with them and painthing the cellings with their guts. The Sith having been so completly wiped out in the battles that thousands of years later nobody even knew what one was for sure.

George Lucas had something of a say in the development of the Knights Of The Old Republic games plotwise. Despite having not been finished properly (as any fan can tell you) Knights Of The Old Republic kind of explained it the best. In that storyline Kreia is attempting to end the cycle and ultimatly give people freedom from The Force, by destroying The Force itself and all of it's champions on both sides. On a lot of levels, as messed up as she is, she's arguably one of the more "heroic" characters in her own way than anyone else in Star Wars as her actions simply mattered more when it comes to fate.

Having not been properly finished the exact details of how she planned to kill The Force itself was kind of glossed over, though she DID do quite a job on both the Jedi and Sith when you get down to it.

The point of this is that in general one does not really just go walking in and sign up to be a real Sith or Jedi. The universe chooses you, whether that's due to mitochlorians or whatever else. If you try and sign up you wind up becoming like one of the Republic Footsoldiers, or one of the Sith minion-soldiers that die in droves. In the end I'd say that's as much as matter of where your born and your culture than anything. What role your given to play is dependant on what the universe decides is supposed to be happening. If it's in the midst of a light or dark cycle your only going to see light or dark Jedi. Towards the transition periods your going to see both, but ending with the destruction of the faction that was previously in charge, with little they can do about it.

While not popular, or well acted, this was a big point about Anakin in the Star Wars prequels. The guy was really messed up because he wanted to be a good guy, but the universe had a job for him and just kept pushing. Things like what happened to his mother (causing him to go into a rage on the Sand People) being key elements for this reason.

This is also why guys like Obi-Wan were so confused about the prophecy. Obi-Wan thought he was supposed to be a savior, but by "balance" that actually made him like The Anti-Christ given that the only place for the good guys to go was down (some of the final comments after their show down). Obi-Wan's victory actually being the final thing that drives Anakin into becoming evil.

The "Redemption" of Vader largely being to get rid of the Empire. The idea being to create the period of "balance" first because that is how it worked. If The Empire survived as it was it would have been an instant transition. When he tossed Papaltine into the core he was balancing the tables between the Alliance and Empire Remnants.

Well enough rambling, the point is that "would you be a Jedi or Sith" isn't a valid question since you don't get to pick it, instead your chosen for the most part.

The big thing I think is borked about the whole concept though is that Jedi are supposed to be forbidden to love. Love being defined as a "bad" thing. I don't know maybe it's supposed to be a Yin Yang analogy (balanced sides, but they both have a piece of the other in them. Sith having their good via love, and the Jedi having their evil by forbidding love).

Given the option I choose to be a heavily Gimmicked Bounty Hunter with more brains than either Boba or Jango: I start carrying a fully automatic contact grenade launcher. That way if someone decides to get cute with a light saber the grenades blow up on the blade as they deflect them taking the goober out. If they choose to go "look at meeee I'm Force Powered Spider Man" and start jumping all over the place, I've got that juicy area effect. Plus I can always load image-seeking RPGs, concussion bombs, or fragmentation rounds (gogo shrapnel clouds).


Also then instead of being one of those dorks who futilely shoots a blaster ineffectively as a ship takes off in front of them, I can switch over to a clip of more focused AP grenades and actually do some damage. >:)

I mean honestly, what the heck is it with the blasters at this tech level. Does everyone intentionally use weapons that seem to blow chips specifically so the Jedi can look cool in comparison? For some of those fights shooting at Jedi you'd think someone would have the brains to load a few Battle Droids with gatling guns, or have it carry the equivilent of a bloody M-16 or something. Sure you can block one blaster bolt at a time fired semi-auto but try blocking like 30 projectiles in a couple of seconds that you CAN'T see.

Oh I'd be a more or less good guy, don't get me wrong (unlike the ones in the canon for th emost part), but I wouldn't have to worry about whether it's right to love or not, or get into the whole Force Drama thing. I could have my own little astroid mansion hideout from my uber-bounty monies where I can retire if the wrong side happens to transition into power while I'm around (well maybe, the thing is nobody understood the cycles except Kriea).

Apologies for the rambling. I wonder if anyone reads some of these huge walls of text I churn out when I get moving. :)


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MaxTheReaper said:
Not according to the games.
Which is part of my decision.
I don't know if you remember Jedi Academy.

There was a question "are the Dark Force powers evil?", I think it was Kyle who explained that no force is inherently good or evil, light or dark. It's how we use them. For example, torturing people with Force Lightning is a Dark use of that force. But destroying machines with it? No.

Or Force Grip. As evil as it sounds, I bet it could be used to keep people at bay (you know, just holding the throat, not choking) or by using it on legs or hands to win a fight without a blood spill.
 

Littaly

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Xrysthos said:
Lightbunny said:
I wouldn't adhere to such childish notions of "light" and "dark".

Good and evil are abstracts. There is only power, and I intend to use it however I damn well please.
Exactly. And in a Star Wars universe doing what you please and not having to abide by rules, codes or what not would sum up to approximately the Dark side. Which is fine by me, because that's where I'd be, anyways. It has nothing to do with being good or evil - these are only points of view, aiding us in simple classification of people and powers around us. The question might be what emotions one would use to fuel one's powers, and in my case it wouldn't be the protection of others etc., but anger, lust and the likes of it. Hence, I would "be on the Dark side", if you like.
Exactly.. again.

Maybe I'm being too nerdy about this, but it's not about good or evil or what kind of powers you get. It's about controlling your emotions and your lust for power. Judging from that most people would probably fall to the dark side. Anakin (when all came down to it) fell because he felt powerless to save the people he loved. Yoda preached that you should not feel attachment and not mourn your loved ones when they died, how many people would actually be able to do that when their mother or wife died?

/nerdmode off.
 

Abedeus

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MaxTheReaper said:
Abedeus said:
MaxTheReaper said:
Not according to the games.
Which is part of my decision.
I don't know if you remember Jedi Academy.

There was a question "are the Dark Force powers evil?", I think it was Kyle who explained that no force is inherently good or evil, light or dark. It's how we use them. For example, torturing people with Force Lightning is a Dark use of that force. But destroying machines with it? No.

Or Force Grip. As evil as it sounds, I bet it could be used to keep people at bay (you know, just holding the throat, not choking) or by using it on legs or hands to win a fight without a blood spill.
I do remember, actually. You're right, but if you spec into the Dark Side, you still get lectured about it.
But the whole "it's how you use it" argument could go for a lot of things.
Okay, another example. You know Force Heal, right?

What if someone uses it to torture people? Like in Forgotten Realms, some people torture a prisoner, and when he's close to dying, they heal him up. And again. And again. AND AGAIN!

It's just that people sign some forces "good" and others "evil", because the ability to zap 20+ people at the same time is very tempting. So is the idea of choking someone, throwing at a wall, choking some more... Yeah. But they can be used by everyone, only since emotions can empower them, Dark Force users are usually angry and destructive.
 

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If the Force was real, I'd have a feeling the murder rate of people in plain daylight would skyrocket.

That said, Light Side. I just don't have the murderous disposition to be dark. And, I would totally try to learn Force Lightning. Hey, Katarn did it, and he was Light Side.
 

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Littaly said:
Exactly.. again.

Maybe I'm being too nerdy about this, but it's not about good or evil or what kind of powers you get. It's about controlling your emotions and your lust for power. Judging from that most people would probably fall to the dark side. Anakin (when all came down to it) fell because he felt powerless to save the people he loved. Yoda preached that you should not feel attachment and not mourn your loved ones when they died, how many people would actually be able to do that when their mother or wife died?

/nerdmode off.
I'm going to be too nerdy about this. The Jedi were at fault for people falling to the Dark Side just as much as the Sith were. The Jedi try to shut out all their emotions. They teach that it is bad to have feelings, and that they should never be attracted to another person. The fact that they bury their feelings so much and never acknowledge them again is the reason so many Jedi flame out and go on a killing spree. Also their tendency to be chronic liars [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/JediTruth] to their students contributes a lot.
 

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Let's see now, the Jedi cannot have girlfriends or have any relation at all. No personal attachments. Emotions are frowned upon and you have to be serene all the time.

I don't see the world doing this.

Sith do not have to be evil bastards. They always have been but that is not their tenant. The code of the dark side is passion.

The world would be Dark Side, but with less pointless evil, just normal selfishness.
 

Lord George

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Id' realise that since the force was real then star wars logic must apply and immediately join the light side so I wouldn't die horribly, also I'm too emotionless to channel a power that feeds of emotions, I'd just invent a lighblaster that can shoot through anything maahahah
 

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Lightbunny said:
I wouldn't adhere to such childish notions of "light" and "dark".

Good and evil are abstracts. There is only power, and I intend to use it however I damn well please.
Very 'Sith'