Poll: If you could erase any proffesion from society, which one would it be?
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I was talking about the people who care what others do, for most of those people in the poll, it's their job so let them be as long as your life isn't being destroyed because they feel like it.Sewblon said:
Everyone who even slightly contributed to the creation, distribution and buying of the rise of arsenal.
Marketing. It makes the world a disgusting place, and can be directly linked with everything on that list with the exception of Law Enforcement and Taxation [I'm not sure why I used capital letters. Make them sound like Norse gods or something..]
Bollocks to you too.Woodsey said:
The reason you state for the law being so complex precisely identifies the reason why it's complete nonsense to have the law set up in that fashion.
The purpose of the law is to provide an ordered society. However if the average citizen cannot understand the laws then the law has manifestly failed in its purpose, and is no longer a tool for ordering society, but rather a tool for oppressing a citizenry who have no hope of understanding the laws they are expected to follow without either (a) consulting a lawyer every time they want to do anything, or (b) just winging it and hoping that everyone else is also as clueless as they are and doesn't complain.
Furthermore your post displays a stunning ignorance of how judgements are actually reached. Your post pretends that the law is the sole determinant of whether someone is found innocent or guilty. How then is case law made if every decision has already been pre-empted and written into the law? How does a judge decide if a crime is new and there is no specific law covering the issue? Judges still reach decisions, and thus new case law is made, which in turn becomes part of the libraries of case law that inform each subsequent decision. The problem with the reliance on case law for acedent and precedent is that it takes specialist knowledge to even find the case law you're looking for. Even many lawyers are clueless and most large law firms employ a specialist who's job it is to dig out all the case law relating to a pending case (in smaller firms they have legal secretaries and interns).
What these layers of laws, case laws, different types of law (common, constitutional, contract, etc) each having different strengths and priorities, results in is a legal system that is so insanely complex and layered with contraditions, conflicting case law, etc, that one's innocence or guilt is not determined by anything other than the amount one is willing to spend on having lawyers troll through legal tomes until they can build a case that exploits all the loopholes that have built up over the decades.
Rather strip the law down to the basics again, write it in a language that the average citizen can understand and teach it at school so that it can fulfill it's true purpose.
At the moment the law is, in the immortal words of Dickens, an ass.
Im torn between politicians and marketing. Any of the if erased will propably be born again but at least if politics is reborn there's a chance that they wont be so corrupt. I ended up voting politicians.
Nothing. And prostitution SHOULD by all means be legal.
You own your body, you do whatever the fuck you want with it. If you choose to provide a service for money with it, namely sex, I really don't see a problem. Because it's a LOT worse when your body doesn't ultimately belong to you. Who the fuck are the government, or anyone, to tell what you can or can't do with your body? They can advise, sure. But not force you to.
Now apparent criminal activities where people are forced into this kind of lifestyle is a problem. And, of course, just like with drugs, it's ONLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. Prostitution has always existed in practically every society, and it will continue to do so. But there's a difference between a bordello with stationed security, safe rooms, frequent medical check-ups and workers who get a paycheck, can take days off, and so on... and pimping on street corner. There's a whole world of difference.
Politicians, sadly, are to some extent required. Because they're more or less leaders, even though today that position is much less about leading and much more about stupid bullshit and breaking promises. Whether a purely anarchic society can or can't work, I don't care about arguing at this point - but for democracy, and all the benefits and bad things it brings, you need some kind of a leader. Publicly elected leader. And given the intelligence or interest of general public, to gain their vote politicians pretty much have to bullshit. So it's kinda, you know, our fault to an extent.
Soldiering, conflicts always existed between groups and when said groups are countries will millions of citizens, the size of the conflict is obviously going to be rather magnified. So you can't really get rid of that.
Marketing, it doesn't trick people out of anything.
Law enforcement or lack of it doesn't magically free anyone. I do not have much love for our law enforcement and especially some of the laws they represent and their methods (Toronto G20 was a pathetic fuck up on police's side) but if you're going to have any laws, you need some kind of a deterrent to breaking them. Sure, "if you do this god will hate you!" might work for some idiots, but generally if a law isn't enforced, it pretty much doesn't exist. No matter how anarchic I may or may not be, some laws are worth being defended, at least for the time being.
Taxcollectors, that depends on your political views. I probably fit somewhere under left-wing libertarian, although I mainly focus on personal freedoms. I see nothing wrong in some social programs that are directed in a smart way, so, eh, I'm okay with some taxes. Although, of course, paying a large percentage of your paycheck to the government that isn't going to do anything beneficial to you with these money is fucking annoying... Some taxes should be voluntary, in my opinion.
So, I'm okay with every profession.
You own your body, you do whatever the fuck you want with it. If you choose to provide a service for money with it, namely sex, I really don't see a problem. Because it's a LOT worse when your body doesn't ultimately belong to you. Who the fuck are the government, or anyone, to tell what you can or can't do with your body? They can advise, sure. But not force you to.
Now apparent criminal activities where people are forced into this kind of lifestyle is a problem. And, of course, just like with drugs, it's ONLY LIKE THAT BECAUSE IT'S ILLEGAL. Prostitution has always existed in practically every society, and it will continue to do so. But there's a difference between a bordello with stationed security, safe rooms, frequent medical check-ups and workers who get a paycheck, can take days off, and so on... and pimping on street corner. There's a whole world of difference.
Politicians, sadly, are to some extent required. Because they're more or less leaders, even though today that position is much less about leading and much more about stupid bullshit and breaking promises. Whether a purely anarchic society can or can't work, I don't care about arguing at this point - but for democracy, and all the benefits and bad things it brings, you need some kind of a leader. Publicly elected leader. And given the intelligence or interest of general public, to gain their vote politicians pretty much have to bullshit. So it's kinda, you know, our fault to an extent.
Soldiering, conflicts always existed between groups and when said groups are countries will millions of citizens, the size of the conflict is obviously going to be rather magnified. So you can't really get rid of that.
Marketing, it doesn't trick people out of anything.
Law enforcement or lack of it doesn't magically free anyone. I do not have much love for our law enforcement and especially some of the laws they represent and their methods (Toronto G20 was a pathetic fuck up on police's side) but if you're going to have any laws, you need some kind of a deterrent to breaking them. Sure, "if you do this god will hate you!" might work for some idiots, but generally if a law isn't enforced, it pretty much doesn't exist. No matter how anarchic I may or may not be, some laws are worth being defended, at least for the time being.
Taxcollectors, that depends on your political views. I probably fit somewhere under left-wing libertarian, although I mainly focus on personal freedoms. I see nothing wrong in some social programs that are directed in a smart way, so, eh, I'm okay with some taxes. Although, of course, paying a large percentage of your paycheck to the government that isn't going to do anything beneficial to you with these money is fucking annoying... Some taxes should be voluntary, in my opinion.
So, I'm okay with every profession.
I would say Capitalist - Now, I am aware that Capitalist isn't a profession but There are numerous professions that spawn from Capitalism and basically I want those to go away.
I see a lot of people discussing prostitution. Here in Sweden, it's legal to sell your body. But buying sex is illegal. I'm not sure how that's supposed to work.
Professional sportsmen provide advertisements to various products, and they're an important part of popular culture.Zeromaeus said:
They have no less purpose then most celebrities in general, whether actors, writers, or otherwise.
Bloody electricians and plumbers. I hate soldering. Actually financal services seem to be providing no service except public hate figures, which is suppost to be traffic wardens.
Priests, and all the variations of them. Religion'd either have the dencency to die out, or rise to new, horrible heights.
It's one of the few things which exists entirely for it's own sake.
It's one of the few things which exists entirely for it's own sake.
Soldiers protect the country (without soldiers any other country can attack without fear of retribution)
Prostitutes provide loving (Morals aside if somebody wants to sell there body for cash that's there business. Not like dating nowadays is any different when your trading a dinner, movie, some jewelry plus lying out your ass for sex)
Marketing informs people of products and why they should buy it (most products suck but some are good)
Police protect the community
Tax collectors (the IRS?) gathers taxes to pay for stuff like schools, roads, etc
Politicians are suppose to run the country but most of the time play for power by cutting deals and 99% of the time at the expense of the people who vote for them (they benefit the people who pay for there campaign).
The idea that politics is a career is the most corrupt idea ever because the purpose of your career is to make a living (by making money). Political positions should be a civic duty that you volunteer for and not something you do to advance your career and your bank account.
Prostitutes provide loving (Morals aside if somebody wants to sell there body for cash that's there business. Not like dating nowadays is any different when your trading a dinner, movie, some jewelry plus lying out your ass for sex)
Marketing informs people of products and why they should buy it (most products suck but some are good)
Police protect the community
Tax collectors (the IRS?) gathers taxes to pay for stuff like schools, roads, etc
Politicians are suppose to run the country but most of the time play for power by cutting deals and 99% of the time at the expense of the people who vote for them (they benefit the people who pay for there campaign).
The idea that politics is a career is the most corrupt idea ever because the purpose of your career is to make a living (by making money). Political positions should be a civic duty that you volunteer for and not something you do to advance your career and your bank account.
Politicians or lawyers. I don't care about due process; most lawyers only care about how many cases they win. If all were like Atticus Finch, I'd be willing to let them go about their business.
Luckily, as a Lord, I'm not technically a politician, because of my absolutely non-critical duties. The current government is just twatting around with its opposition to secularisation.
Luckily, as a Lord, I'm not technically a politician, because of my absolutely non-critical duties. The current government is just twatting around with its opposition to secularisation.