Poll: In the States you can have a drivers license at 16. That is much too young.

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Per California driving laws if you are under 18 you get a provisional permit and your parents have to accept liability for you.
How to apply for a provisional permit if you are under 18

To apply for a provisional permit, you will need the following:

Be at least 15 ½, but under 18 years of age
Visit a DMV office (make an Appointment(s) for faster service)
Complete the application form DL 44 (An original DL 44 form must be submitted. Copies obtained by xeroxing, faxing, or other methods will not be accepted.)
Have your parents? or guardians? signatures on the application form DL 44
Give a thumb print
Have your picture taken
Provide your social security number. It will be verified with the Social Security Administration while you are in the office.
Verify your birth date and legal presence
?Provide your true full name if your name no longer matches the name on your birth date legal presence document.?
Submit the proper form(s) for driver education and/or driver training classes (See below for details.)
Pay the application fee (This fee entitles you to three exams of any type within the 12-month period and pays for both the instruction permit and the driver license. If all requirements are not met within the 12-month period, the application becomes void and all steps must be completed again.)
Pass a vision exam
Pass a traffic laws and sign test. There are 46 questions on the test. A passing score is at least 39 correct answers. You have three chances to pass the test. If you fail, you must wait 7 days before taking it again.
Note: To allow you sufficient time for testing DMV will not be administering written or audio exams after 4:30 p.m.

Driver Education and Driver Training Form Requirements
If you are 15 ½ to 17 ½ years of age, you will need to provide a:

Certificate of Completion of Driver Education.
OR

Certificate of Completion of Driver Education and Driver Training.
OR

Certificate of Enrollment In An Integrated (Classroom) Driver Education And Driver Training Program.
NOTE:If your driver education and driver training were taken in a state other than California, DMV will accept either a

?To Secondary Schools Other Than California Schools? form (DL 33) form completed by the out-of state secondary school. Obtain a DL 33 form from your local DMV office or by calling DMV at 1-800-777-0133 . Send the DL 33 form to your out-of-state secondary school to complete.
letter from your out-of state secondary school on the out-of-state secondary school's stationery signed by a school official stating that the courses you have taken are equivalent to a California secondary school course described in Section 10020 of Title 5 of the California Code of Regulations.
An out-of-state driving instructional permit is not acceptable proof of driver education and driver training.

If you are over 17 ½ but under 18 years of age, you may get your permit without the driver education and driver training certificates however, you will not be able to take the driving test until you turn 18.

Once you pass your written test, you will be issued a provisional permit.

A parent, guardian, spouse or adult 25 years of age or older, who has a valid California driver license, must be with you when you drive. He or she must sit in a position close enough to take control of the vehicle, if necessary. It is illegal for you to drive alone at any time.

Before being eligible to take your driving test you must:
Be 16 years old
AND

Have held your permit for a minimum of six months
AND
Have completed driver education
AND
Have completed 6 hours of professional driver training
AND

Have completed 50 hours of practice with an adult 25 years or older. The adult must have a valid California driver license and certify to the 50 hours of practice. At least 10 of the 50 hours must have been done at night.
To take your driving test, you will need to:

Make a driving test Appointment(s) . (Driving tests are not given without an appointment.) You may also call 1-800-777-0133 between the hours of 8 a.m. and 5 p.m. Monday-Friday, to make a driving test appointment.
Provide proof of financial responsibility
After you pass your driving test you will be issued an interim license valid for 90 days until you receive your new photo license in the mail. Check your address before you leave DMV and tell the DMV representative if you have moved or if your address is incorrect. If you have not received your license after 60 days, call 1-800-777-0133 to check on the status. Have your interim license with you to provide information when requested.

If you fail your driving test, you must wait two weeks before you can take the test again. You have three chances to pass.

If driver education and driver training were taken in a state other than California, DMV will accept either a To Secondary Schools Other Than California Schools form DL 33 completed by the out-of state school, or a letter on the out-of state school?s stationery signed by a school official stating that the courses are equivalent to California?s requirements. Instructional permits issued by another state are not acceptable proof.

Provisional Instruction Permit - Cumulative Credit

Your driver license application is valid for 12 months from the application date. If your application will expire before you have held your provisional instruction permit for six months, you must return to DMV and start a new application. You will need to pay the application fee and fulfill all application requirements. Take your instruction permit with you to DMV. You will be credited for the time you have held your instruction permit and receive cumulative credit towards your subsequent provisional instruction permit to meet the six-month requirement before taking your driving test.

You must keep the expired instruction permit with your new instruction permit until you pass your driving test. The new instruction permit and the expired permit is the only proof of credit that satisfies the six-month requirement. When a new application is started, DMV does not retain the previous application information. If you lose your expired instruction permit, without the necessary proof of a previous application, the full six-month waiting period will be required before you will be allowed to take your driving test.

Bring both your instruction permits with you when you take your driving test.

Parents? or guardians? signatures - accepting liability for a minor

A minor?s application for a driver license must have the signatures of:

Both parents, if the parents are California residents and have joint custody, or
Both parents, if divorced, with joint custody, or
One parent, if that parent has custody, or
Guardians of the minor, if neither parent is living or has custody, or
The person(s) having actual full and complete custody, if no legal guardian is appointed.
NOTE: Nonresident parents cannot sign the application form and cannot accept liability for a minor in California. Nonresident military parents stationed and living in California can sign the application form and accept liability for a minor.

When parents or guardians sign for a minor to get a driver license, they are stating that they will accept financial responsibility for that minor. Financial responsibility in California requires that drivers and vehicle owners carry the following minimum monetary limits:

$15,000 for injury or death of 1 person per accident
$30,000 for injury or death of 2 or more persons per accident
$5,000 for any property damage per accident
Evidence of financial responsibility must be carried at all times in the vehicle. Most Californians maintain financial responsibility through insurance companies, which provide the policy holder with an identification card to be used as evidence of coverage. The card must state the insurance company?s name and address, the period of coverage, and policy number.

Provisional driver license restrictions during the first year

Effective January 1, 2006, a new law will increase driving restrictions for persons under the age of 18 who:
Are issued a provisional driver license (DL) on or after January 1, 2006, or
Already hold a provisional DL issued on or after January 1, 2005.
Provisional Driving Restrictions?You must be accompanied and supervised by a licensed parent, guardian or other licensed driver 25 years of age or older or a licensed or certified driving instructor when you:
Transport passengers under 20 years of age at any time, for the first twelve months.
Drive between 11 pm and 5 am for the first twelve months.
To determine if these restrictions apply to you, look at the date on your driver license. The date printed just to the left of your photograph is the date these restrictions begin. The new restrictions apply for 12 months following this date. For example: If the date on your license is May 7, 2005, you will have the above restrictions through May 7, 2006. Violation of either restriction can result in a fine and/or community service.

Persons under 18 may not be employed to drive a motor vehicle. When you turn 18 years of age, the provisional part of your license ends. You may continue to drive as an adult using your photo license, which will expire on your 5th birthday after the date you applied.

Exceptions to Restrictions
When reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive, the law grants the following exceptions for minors to drive between 11 pm and 5 am or to transport an immediate family member unaccompanied and unsupervised.

The law allows the following exceptions when reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive. A signed note must be kept in your possession for any of these exceptions explaining the necessity and the date when the driving necessity will end (except emancipated minors).

Medical necessity when reasonable transportation alternatives are inadequate. The note must be signed by your physician, and contain the diagnosis and probable date of recovery.

Schooling or school-authorized activity. The note must be signed by your school principal, dean, or his/her designee.

Employment necessity and the need to operate a vehicle as part of your employment. The note must be signed by your employer verifying employment.

Your necessity or the necessity of an immediate family member. The note must be signed by your parent or legal guardian.

If you are an emancipated minor, no documentation is needed. However, you must have already declared yourself emancipated and provided DMV with Proof of Financial Responsibility (SR 1P) in lieu of your guarantors? signatures.

http://www.dmv.ca.gov/dl/dl_info.htm#PERMINOR

I do know out here in California that it is an automatic ticket to be on your mobile phone without a headset. And I think (not sure if this passed or not I know there was talk of it) your license can get suspended if you are a minor talking on your mobile.

Other random California rules per teens driving:
http://www.dmv.ca.gov/teenweb/dl_btn2/dl.htm

Provisional driver license restrictions during the first year

After you pass your driving test, you will be issued a provisional driver license. With your provisional driver license, you must be accompanied and supervised by a licensed parent, guardian or other licensed driver 25 years of age or older, or by a licensed or certified driving instructor when you:

Transport passengers under 20 years of age at any time, for the first twelve months.
Drive between 11 pm and 5 am for the first twelve months.
This means you cannot give anyone under 20 years old (your friends, your brother(s), sister(s), cousin(s), etc.) a ride unless you have a licensed parent, a guardian or other adult 25 years old or older in the car with you. You are also not allowed to drive between 11 pm and 5 am during your first year after getting your license unless you have a licensed parent, a guardian or other adult 25 years old or older in the car with you.

With a provisional license, you can drive by yourself between the hours of 5 am and 11 pm. If you are under 18, you cannot be employed to drive a motor vehicle.

When you turn 18 years of age, the provisional part of your license ends. You may continue to drive as an adult using your photo license, which will expire on your 5th birthday after the date you applied.

Effective January 1, 2006, these driving restrictions apply to you if you are under the age of 18 and:

Are issued a provisional driver license (DL) on or after January 1, 2006, or
Already hold a provisional DL issued on or after January 1, 2005.
To determine if these restrictions apply to you, look at the date on your driver license. The date printed just to the left of your photograph is the date these restrictions begin. The new restrictions apply for 12 months following this date.

For example: If the date on your license is May 7, 2005, you will have the above restrictions through May 7, 2006. Violation of either restriction can result in a fine and/or community service

Provisional driver license restrictions during the first year

Exceptions to Restrictions

When reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive, the law grants the following exceptions for provisional license holders to drive between 11 pm and 5 am or to transport an immediate family member unaccompanied and unsupervised.

The law allows the following exceptions when reasonable transportation is not available and it is necessary for you to drive. A signed note must be kept in your possession for any of these exceptions explaining the necessity and the date when the driving necessity will end (except emancipated minors).

Medical necessity when reasonable transportation alternatives are inadequate. The note must be signed by your physician, and contain the diagnosis and probable date of recovery.

Schooling or school-authorized activity. The note must be signed by your school principal, dean, or his/her designee.

Employment necessity and the need to operate a vehicle as part of your employment. The note must be signed by your employer verifying employment.

Your necessity or the necessity of an immediate family member. The note must be signed by your parent or legal guardian.

If you are an emancipated minor, no documentation is needed. However, you must have already declared yourself emancipated and provided DMV with Proof of Financial Responsibility (SR 1P) in lieu of your guarantors? signatures.



Want to know about the Zero Tolerance Law?

As a teen driver, you belong to a special licensing classification called Provisional Licensees. Holding this type of license, you already know you have to adhere to certain "provisions" that govern who can be in your car with you while you are driving and the hours when you can legally drive. There is one other law that not only applies to provisional drivers, but to all drivers under 21 years of age - the Zero Tolerance Law.

What is the Zero Tolerance Law? This law states that it is against the law to drive with a blood alcohol concentration (BAC) of .01% or higher if you are under 21 years of age. Your BAC is measured by a test given to you by a police officer. Under this law, on your first offense, your driving privilege will be suspended for one year if:

your BAC is .01% or higher, or
you refuse to take the preliminary alcohol screening (PAS) test, or
you fail to complete the PAS test.
What is a blood alcohol concentration (BAC)? This is the legal percentage of alcohol that is concentrated in your blood before you are considered an impaired driver. For you (under 21), your BAC is .01% or more. For persons over 21, the BAC is .08% or more. For persons over 21 who drive commercial vehicles, the BAC is .04% or more.

Just a note: There is no safe way to drive while you are under the influence. One drink can make you an unsafe driver. Don't take chances - Don't drink and drive.
What else does the law say about alcohol and drivers under 21 years of age?
The following also applies to you:

It is against the law to purchase beer, wine, or hard liquor.
It is illegal to have alcohol on your person or in your car unless you are with your parent.

Personally, I don't think half the people who have licenses should have been able to obtain them in the first place. I was driving the other day and a very much older than me guy almost ran me off the road cause he wasn't looking when he changed lanes. I don't think it is a matter of age really. Its a matter of maturity. I know 16 year olds who drive better than 40 year olds.
 

Lilani

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Jacco said:
What you are talking about isn't age. It's stupidity.

I got my license at 16. I am officially 20, and I have only had one accident--and it was not my fault (the guy didn't look and pulled out right in front of me). I do not drive and put on makeup, or text, or anything like that. My car has Bluetooth, so if I'm talking on my phone (which rarely happens anyway) I don't have to break eye contact with the road. My parents taught me to not do any of that crap when driving, and I don't. And it's not because of them. I know that sort of stuff is stupid. Hell, I think I drove more carefully when I was 16 than I do now.

So here's the thing about stupidity: It can strike at any age. People do stupid things while driving at age 15, 16, 20, 30, and 62. I'm in college now, and I see people on campus all the time doing exactly what that girl was doing, and they are my age or better. They're just stupid. And pulling the driving age back will do absolutely nothing to abate the stupidity. Stupid drivers will always drive stupid, no matter at what age they get behind the wheel.
 

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Jacco said:
If you're too lazy to read all of that, basically I decided that 16 is too young to drive because I almost died the other day thanks to a stupid 16 year old girl.
Why should we care about your subjective experience?

You may have done some stupid things in high school, but not all of us did. Many people weren't ready for the privilege, true, but others were. Hell, I know people from my former college that STILL do stupid things behind the wheel and clearly aren't ready for the responsibility.

If you really want to make the case about driving age based on safety, it should be around age 25 that we're allowed to drive(which is silly and impractical, because people have responsibilities they need to take care of). My parents being insurance agents themselves, they constantly remind me about the statistics. There's a reason insurance rates in virtually every company are lower for people above age 24. Under that limit is where the majority of accidents occur.

The idea of the government restricting our driving to higher ages just isn't practical for the majority of people.
 

UNHchabo

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Adding to my earlier post, another thing that may help is if the road test was mandatory on your first renewal (age 21 in most states, if you got your license at 16), and then every other renewal after that (every 10 years).
 

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INB4 women cant drive joke.


Most drivers are responsible people who are just trying to get from point A to point B. There are no shortage of bad drivers over the age of 25 or under it. That said it would be nice if there was a way to impress upon new drivers the seriousness of a car crash. Simulated accident maybe?
Actual said:
Perhaps allow a full drivers licence once they've clocked a certain number of hours behind the wheel. This would be almost impossible to enforce, but in an ideal world would be nice.
In my state a driver with a permit is supposed to have at least fifty hours behind the wheel before they attempt to get their license. That said the method for guaranteeing that the driver has those fifty hours is the parent or guardian saying "Yes they have fifty hours" to the DMV official which is entirely ineffective when an idiot parent says "sure they have fifty hours" when they really have five of practicing the test route over and over again so they can pass.
 

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Jacco said:
If you live outside the States, what is your opinion? How does it work where you live?
Unfortunately, it's the people, not their age.

I work with cars at the moment and I meet the person you've described every day, but they're usually older than that. I meet plenty of stupid, selfish and flat out dangerous drivers of all ages and sizes.
Sadly, they never grow up until they kill somebody. Even more sadly they hardly ever kill themself, it's usually some other poor doofus who was doing nothing wrong. Such is life I suppose.

PS, I could drive a car at sixteen just fine. But in the UK the legal age is 17 and for some it is indeed far too young.
 

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Febel said:
I'm an American and I would support raising the age to around 18. I'd also support lowering the drinking age to 16 or so, in order to teach an at least somewhat responsible view of alcohol early on in life. Though who am I kidding, responsible is never a word I'd use to describe American kids.
I don't know about the drinking age being lowered to 16, but definitely at least down to 18. I'm sure we've all heard the argument before "If I'm allowed to go die for my country, I should be able to drink." I think that is 100% true and fair. Plus it might help create responsible drinking. Maybe.
 

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Being a bad driver doesn't stop at 18. I've never gotten into an accident, never gotten a speeding ticket, never done dumb shit with my car. And those are driving habits I've had all my life.

There are plenty of stupid people on the road, regardless of age group.
 

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RAKtheUndead said:
artanis_neravar said:
I was completely ready for the responsibility at that age
I doubt it. Unless you are one of the few people who was involved in racing karts competitively up until then, you don't really have the spatial knowledge of the bounds of your car or the finer knowledge of the discipline of driving cars at that point. Even with an automatic gearbox (which, by the way, I do not regard as proper driving), a car is still a ton and a half or so of metal being driven by a powerful engine, and therefore is an extremely dangerous implement.
You do know that they have driving schools right? and in my state, by law you can't get your license before 18 unless you have gone to 2 months driving school, which included around 30 hours of driving with a state certified instructor and passing a written exam at the end of the class? And that is just to get your permit, once you have your permit you have to drive an additional 40 hours, 10 of those night hours with a person who holds a valid license, and once you have completed all of these things you can finally get your license. So yes by the time I got my license I did have the spacial knowledge of the bounds of my car. I also posses an inherent spacial perception which is one of the things that makes me a good Engineer. I also had the proper concentration skills at 16 which I built from a combination of Tae Kwon Do, Competitive Swimming, and Horse Back Riding. I was very ready for the responsibility of driving at 16.
 

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Yes, 16 is a bit young to drive, but you have to think about outside influences. I don't know about other cultures in this aspect, but most teens are involved in several after school activities either through the school or through a private organization/company. It's pretty much expected, especially if you want to go to college. Many students also hold down after school jobs. Parents work far too late to tote their kids everywhere, and the public transportation system sucks here. In the cities it's typically pathetic and inconsistent, and it is virtually nonexistent everywhere else. (At least in the state I live in which is Virginia.)

Yes, 16 may be too young to drive, but there are really no other options for students.
 

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Lilani said:
Jacco said:
What you are talking about isn't age. It's stupidity.

I got my license at 16. I am officially 20, and I have only had one accident--and it was not my fault (the guy didn't look and pulled out right in front of me). I do not drive and put on makeup, or text, or anything like that. My car has Bluetooth, so if I'm talking on my phone (which rarely happens anyway) I don't have to break eye contact with the road. My parents taught me to not do any of that crap when driving, and I don't. And it's not because of them. I know that sort of stuff is stupid. Hell, I think I drove more carefully when I was 16 than I do now.

So here's the thing about stupidity: It can strike at any age. People do stupid things while driving at age 15, 16, 20, 30, and 62. I'm in college now, and I see people on campus all the time doing exactly what that girl was doing, and they are my age or better. They're just stupid. And pulling the driving age back will do absolutely nothing to abate the stupidity. Stupid drivers will always drive stupid, no matter at what age they get behind the wheel.
I'm not saying that no one over the age of 20 ever does anything dumb, I'm saying that the frequency of stupid things is higher among drivers that are 16 to 20. I've seen stats in the past that absolutely support that; the number of tickets and accidents per capita is higher in younger, less experienced drivers.
 

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yeah i think sixteen is to young only because immature people who get their license at the age make it look so bad. at the same time there are sixteen year olds who can handle the responsibility. overall i think it goes both ways.
 

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I say give'em their licenses at 16, but if they're found driving while distracted (cell phones, drinking etc) or involved in an accident while distracted then their license should be revoked and they should be banned from getting a license until the age of 24-25.

This way, you give them all a chance, and punish the irresponsible ones.
 

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I agree, in the UK it's 17. Although I'm 21 next month and I'm still not bothered about having a drivers licence just now. I won't be bothered about driving until I'm 25. Insurance is more expensive for people under 25 here because it's usually the little tits aged 17-25 that cause car crashes because they try and get cocky in their absurdly tricked out cars.

It's not always like that, I mean there are plenty of people over 25 that are in car crashes but that's just the way a lot of insurance company's work.
 

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The problem is not the age of the driver but rather the idiocy. I've seen plenty of adults who can't drive for shit (my dad's one of them, too), and teens who drive pretty damned well thank you.

IMO, licenses should be harder to get but you should still be able to get them at 16.
 

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Age doesn't fix dumb. Though I think that during the first year you get your licence you should have it suspended for a minimum of a month, more depending on the severity, if you are caught driving recklessly.
If you are caught on your phone while driving, the normal fine is doubled.
And that any speeding ticket or other traffic violation would have at least 20 hours of community service tacked onto it.

For sensible people this would be a complete non issue, for those who might behave in a manner that way would have knowledge of the harsh consequences for their action and therefore would be more careful. And for those idiots who think they can get away with anything, would learn that harsh lesson and hopefully be better for it.
 

Lilani

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Jacco said:
Well of course. And I'm sure in the UK, the frequency of stupid things is higher from 18-22.

Personally, I think if people are going to do stupid things while driving, they will do it whether they start driving at 16 or 18. It doesn't matter when they start driving. They're going to do it. And the same goes with responsibility. I don't think two more years of not driving is going to cause them to better understand the dos and do nots of driving. If they're going to be stupid, they're going to be stupid. If they're going to be smart, they're going to be smart.

Also, if I hadn't begun driving when I was 16, I don't know what I would have done for college. My college is 100 miles from home. I had to be able to drive to get there, and then be able to find my way around the unfamiliar city so I could get groceries and run other errands. If I hadn't already had two years of driving under my belt, that would have been a nightmare. It's hard enough learning how to drive in the city, but being brand new to driving in an UNFAMILIAR city? My god. That's just suicide.
 

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Meh, everyone sucks at driving. Except me of course. Clearly I should be the only one allowed to drive!

No but seriously, I don't think ages has much to do with it. Granted it doesn't help more most people are stupid. I actually hesitate to use that word but it sums it up the best. The primary issue is actually that very few people think before they act.
 

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I think some 16 year olds are responsible enough to drive. I was, and I was never in an accident because I actually had commons sense.

But only some. I'd like if there was more testing involved so there are less football players with their overcompensating trucks driving six of their friends around with no idea what they're doing because they were stoned all the way through driving school. And while they're driving.

Right now, at least in Texas, you need to take a piss easy written test to get your permit, then a piss easy driving test to get your license later. That's not enough to filter out the damn kids. And I don't mean all kids, I mean the damn kids.