Poll: In the States you can have a drivers license at 16. That is much too young.
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Australian, the driving age is 16 here, at least 10 people from my highschool killed themselves in drag races and drunk driving incidents the first year they got their lisence...
And that's only the people from near my year level (1 year either side).
I personally haven't gotten my lisence, no need as far as I can see, I live right next to a train station and a shop.
And that's only the people from near my year level (1 year either side).
I personally haven't gotten my lisence, no need as far as I can see, I live right next to a train station and a shop.
I'm Dutch, I've got my drivers license for about two years now (I'm 20 now).
Here you can take lessons from when you're 18. You have to do a theoretical exam, a 'in between' exam and your final exam. The first one is obviously about the traffic rules and such, the second one is about 'special' actions like parking and the last exam is your practical exam.
Usually a student has 37 hours of driving lessons before he or she can do the last exam.
Imo 18 is good age to start driving, though you always will have stupid people who'll fuck up no matter how old they are. =/
Here you can take lessons from when you're 18. You have to do a theoretical exam, a 'in between' exam and your final exam. The first one is obviously about the traffic rules and such, the second one is about 'special' actions like parking and the last exam is your practical exam.
Usually a student has 37 hours of driving lessons before he or she can do the last exam.
Imo 18 is good age to start driving, though you always will have stupid people who'll fuck up no matter how old they are. =/
a 16 year old who just got his license has the same experience as a 18 year old who just got their license. And if the 18 year old tried to live on their own or go to college, not only would they have to deal with living alone and taking on all the responsibilities, they'd also have to learn how to drive.Jacco said:
Maybe change the way permits are given or how severe the consequences are would help but, I don't think raising the age limit will help any.
Brains not finished until early 20's so they'd still be doing stupid things... i think
People make those mistakes regardless of when they start driving. What people have come to realize is letting a new driver have an unrestricted license is a bad idea. As it is a 16 year old can drive on the roads in most states, but cannot have passengers their own age, and cannot drive during specific hours. Offenses such as DUIs and distractions carry stiffer penalties, as well as the loss of their license until they turn 18.
Even better to get a license under the age of 18 (and at all in some states) you have to complete a drivers course.
Even better to get a license under the age of 18 (and at all in some states) you have to complete a drivers course.
There's plenty of fun places to drive in the US, you just have to know where to look.
EDIT: Okay, apparently it didn't quote the post I wanted it too. Might as well edit this to make it relevant on it's own;
It isn't an issue with age, I know some people younger than myself that are generally more mature, and people older than myself who shouldn't be allowed near a car, let alone given the keys. What we need are more strict driving tests, not new age limits.
EDIT: Okay, apparently it didn't quote the post I wanted it too. Might as well edit this to make it relevant on it's own;
It isn't an issue with age, I know some people younger than myself that are generally more mature, and people older than myself who shouldn't be allowed near a car, let alone given the keys. What we need are more strict driving tests, not new age limits.
tbh they all drive automatics in the states. Passing on just an automatic doesn't even count amongst my friends (and in most of the UK) and I'd be taken the piss out of more than I would for not having a license. The fact is that girl would never be able to do that if she was driving a manual so I think everyone should be forced to learn on those and drive them for like 3 years.
Much more importantly I don't think the test should be a one time thing, I think you should have to renew your license every 5 years or so just to weed out the fucktards a bit more. That said I believe there are fucktards of all ages and I know plenty of 16 year olds more mature than 20 year olds, so I think it's fine.
Much more importantly I don't think the test should be a one time thing, I think you should have to renew your license every 5 years or so just to weed out the fucktards a bit more. That said I believe there are fucktards of all ages and I know plenty of 16 year olds more mature than 20 year olds, so I think it's fine.
It's really for your first three years of driving so even by waiting until you're 25 they'll still get you. But at least now it's illegal to charge you more for insurance for just being male. I totally agree though, I fucking hate driving. I'm 20 but my parents are making me do it. Apparently it's a "valuable life skill".Kungfu_Teddybear said:
While it can differ from state to state (Tennessee allows a learner's permit at 15, for example) I think that 16 is really just fine. The sins of a few stupid teenagers shouldn't ruin it for the rest of us responsible people. I got my permit at 16, and even though I failed my test twice before I got my license, I have never gotten in an accident or received a ticket for my reckless driving (which I don't have).
Besides, there are plenty of absolutely horrid drivers out there older than 16. I see them on the highway all the time.
Besides, there are plenty of absolutely horrid drivers out there older than 16. I see them on the highway all the time.
Sixteen is a fine age to be driving. I'm seventeen and I am doing just fine driving, although I submit that you need a certain IQ level to drive, and that for the first two years of driving a live video feed should be broadcast of your car to the police, and they have a right to arrest you for anything half as stupid as what was described in the OP.
Well, I'm a 17 year old American, so I've been driving for around a year and a half. I agree that a lot of people my age cannot handle driving responsibly, but don't assume all of us are terrible. I'm a fairly good driver, and haven't been pulled over or gotten into an accident or anything.
Personally, I think you should only get a driver's licence if you proved that it was absolutely impossible for you to live a normal life without a car. Like a gun licence. Guns are devices that cause small bits of metal to move at deadly speeds and for that are heavily restricted. Cars are devices that cause huge blobs of metal to move at deadly speeds and have no restriction whatsoever.
I'm not American, minimum driving age here is 18, I'm 25 and don't drive.
I'm not American, minimum driving age here is 18, I'm 25 and don't drive.
Depends on where you live, really. I wouldn't put a newly-minted sixteen-year-old behind the wheel in downtown Los Angeles... but I'd let one drive an old beat-up family sedan around on country roads.
...personally, I've got a lot of things in mind for revamping the driver's licensing/education system in the US... and it all starts with abolishing the C-class license. Wanna drive? You need a minimum of B-class commercial and B-class racing to start.
...personally, I've got a lot of things in mind for revamping the driver's licensing/education system in the US... and it all starts with abolishing the C-class license. Wanna drive? You need a minimum of B-class commercial and B-class racing to start.
Norwegian here, weighing in. We can get our license at 18, and that seems the best, tho I may be biased.
You might think that, but all reliable evidence points to the opposite happening. In fact they shoot for an average of 100 on IQ scores, they have to keep increasing the difficulty of the tests to maintain those averages.jpoon said:
Now I know, we are not talking intelligence, or maybe we are and you just couldn't find the right words, either way globally people are becoming smarter, and that influences the results of those IQ tests - hence the increases in difficulty mentioned before.
Doom, gloom, whatever, things are getting better. Some people just like to pretend they are not.
16 is fine.
You've obviously never lived in a rural area or incredibly small town.
That's really all i have to say.
You've obviously never lived in a rural area or incredibly small town.
That's really all i have to say.
You might think that, but all reliable evidence points to the opposite happening. In fact they shoot for an average of 100 on IQ scores, they have to keep increasing the difficulty of the tests to maintain those averages.jpoon said:
Now I know, we are not talking intelligence, or maybe we are and you just couldn't find the right words, either way globally people are becoming smarter, and that influences the results of those IQ tests - hence the increases in difficulty mentioned before.
Doom, gloom, whatever, things are getting better. Some people just like to pretend they are not.
While I'm sure lack of maturity blah blah blah IS partially responsible for the trend of higher likeliness of accidents among the 16-20 crowd, I feel like a big part of that is also a result of those being the ages when many people here in the U.S. start driving. Driving's like anything else, when you start, you're probably gonna suck at it for a while. Whether you start at 16 or 60, your first year or so of driving, you're probably gonna suck.