Move to Antarctica, Its brilliant, Zombies have no body temperature so they'll freeze like corpscicles.
Ah the insightful musings of Red Vs. Blue...
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Poll: Indefinite survival during a zombie apocalypse: Logical?
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Actually, any place with an average temperature of below 0 C would most likely freeze them, so if it's winter, then most areas of the planet are safe. Of course, in Antarctica they would freeze so thoroughly that you could use them as weapons against their brethren.ChaosTheory3133 said:
Actually, immunity would probably come about through a mixture of genes and other factors such as previous exposure to diseases. These factors are not random, so immunity would be concentrated within certain areas, such as small towns where people share similar genes and have been exposed to the same environmental factors. It is likely that entire families would be immune. Which families are immune is also not random, but is impossible for us to know ahead of time.Ravenbom said:
I think it's possible. It all depends on the survivors's abilities to group together and coordinate with eachother. However the zombies would probably make this extremely difficult, especially at the begginning when things are total chaos, the zombies are mostly not understood well, and the survivors would be either alone or in small groups, leaving them at a good chance of being overrun and killed by the zombies before they can coordinate. So, it is possible but unlikely.
is this 60million in one spot? like lets say california saw it coming and they shut themselves up then yah its totally possible. but if the 60million were spread throughout the world then no, they might survive in the wild like in some remote forest, provided they could hunt and gather. Also it depends on whether the zombies have some kind of special sense to detect where people hid then it would become to a task of going underground. and Finally,
would the zombies only rely the flesh of the living human? cuz then its simple to just hide underground with a months or twos worth of food and wait for everything to starve to death.
would the zombies only rely the flesh of the living human? cuz then its simple to just hide underground with a months or twos worth of food and wait for everything to starve to death.
It's impossible to have a fool-proof zombie plan because you'll never know if Brooks was right with his slow zombie theory until it is too late. Thing is, it's more likely in my opinion that the closest we come realistically to zombies would be a form of human rabies that does not kill the host or an aggressor-enhancing, cognitive suppressing parasite transmitted through the blood. Which would probably give rise to beserking 28 days later/L4D style zombies. Which would fuck all your plans up. 1% of the population wouldn't survive because there would be an immense casualty rate from the hyper aggressive fast zombies that would sweep through all major population centres, regardless of immunity to the disease.
Building elaborate fortifications in the face of such an outbreak would be foolhardy - you'd never finish. Taking long journeys would be fraught with danger - breakdowns, blocked roads, huge risks when stopping for supplies. If the rate of turning after infection was high, there wouldn't even be time to make an initial run for supplies before pandemonium breaks out and the streets are filled with the dying and the infected.
Using the environment as a weapon is a doub;e-edged sword - without specialist training and equipment you're not likely to survive any more than the zombies are in the long run.
Max Brooks is not the only answer - you need AT LEAST 2 zombie plans if you're going to make any at all, otherwise you just might get caught horribly off guard.
To be frank, in any situation, being in as large a group as possible seems to be the best - maximum defence against zombies, maximum man power for projects such as construction of defences, salvaging, farming and supply running, and a large pool of potential knowledge of useful skills, as well as defence against violent human elements. There's always the problem of internal strife, but in surviving the initial wave of destruction you're going to need all the available help.
Building elaborate fortifications in the face of such an outbreak would be foolhardy - you'd never finish. Taking long journeys would be fraught with danger - breakdowns, blocked roads, huge risks when stopping for supplies. If the rate of turning after infection was high, there wouldn't even be time to make an initial run for supplies before pandemonium breaks out and the streets are filled with the dying and the infected.
Using the environment as a weapon is a doub;e-edged sword - without specialist training and equipment you're not likely to survive any more than the zombies are in the long run.
Max Brooks is not the only answer - you need AT LEAST 2 zombie plans if you're going to make any at all, otherwise you just might get caught horribly off guard.
To be frank, in any situation, being in as large a group as possible seems to be the best - maximum defence against zombies, maximum man power for projects such as construction of defences, salvaging, farming and supply running, and a large pool of potential knowledge of useful skills, as well as defence against violent human elements. There's always the problem of internal strife, but in surviving the initial wave of destruction you're going to need all the available help.
You load up on baddassery and kick some zombie butt. all 6 billion. at once. by the time your done, it should be around indefinite time period.
I do mean strategize though, like military bunker to bunker, not just random wandering. thats just stupid
I do mean strategize though, like military bunker to bunker, not just random wandering. thats just stupid
It's not so much the zombies. I mean, out of the 60 million left, consider the type of lifestyles we lead. It's not like the movies. Not only will the beautiful and reasonably in shape be miraculously immune. That 60 million is not just going to be able bodied adults.
Children, the Previously Imfirmed, The Elderly, The overweight and deconditioned... Not to mention the dumb. How many trenchcoated 'Bad Asses' do you think you'll see in the street, dual wielding Desert Eagles before they become an all you can eat buffet?
Or, even if a bite doesn't transmit the virus, most people aren't conditioned to handle the shock of physical pain, let alone the actual shock of being hurt. Then the fear of maybe they weren't immune, and they are going to get infected now. Let's not forget survivor's guilt, or just plain old fear. Religious freaks might think this was God's will and sit there and accept their punishment. Some will just eat a bullet instead of waiting for death to come.
There's no way to accurately give you a number for all of that, but I'd say you're more looking at 5 million, just because those survivors will still have to survive to get to a place of refuge.
Then, you have fear. With fear, you have the desire to control: "I can't fight off 5 billion plus cannibals, but I don't have to take guff from another guy who just happened to survive. And who's to say he's right? I should be in charge."
Even times that mindset by 3% of the survivors, and you have a dangerous number, as you all need to work together at all times to make sure nothing's getting in there.
I'm going to leave it off with this.
We train our men and women to be in the armed forces. Just from the constant threat of being of being attacked has rendered a good deal of our soldiers unable to cope, with combat fatigue reaching record numbers. And these people were drilled to deal with live-fire, and taught how to survive in harsh elements.
Some of us are computer programmers. Some of us work at Starbucks or the gap. Huge, huge difference.
Children, the Previously Imfirmed, The Elderly, The overweight and deconditioned... Not to mention the dumb. How many trenchcoated 'Bad Asses' do you think you'll see in the street, dual wielding Desert Eagles before they become an all you can eat buffet?
Or, even if a bite doesn't transmit the virus, most people aren't conditioned to handle the shock of physical pain, let alone the actual shock of being hurt. Then the fear of maybe they weren't immune, and they are going to get infected now. Let's not forget survivor's guilt, or just plain old fear. Religious freaks might think this was God's will and sit there and accept their punishment. Some will just eat a bullet instead of waiting for death to come.
There's no way to accurately give you a number for all of that, but I'd say you're more looking at 5 million, just because those survivors will still have to survive to get to a place of refuge.
Then, you have fear. With fear, you have the desire to control: "I can't fight off 5 billion plus cannibals, but I don't have to take guff from another guy who just happened to survive. And who's to say he's right? I should be in charge."
Even times that mindset by 3% of the survivors, and you have a dangerous number, as you all need to work together at all times to make sure nothing's getting in there.
I'm going to leave it off with this.
We train our men and women to be in the armed forces. Just from the constant threat of being of being attacked has rendered a good deal of our soldiers unable to cope, with combat fatigue reaching record numbers. And these people were drilled to deal with live-fire, and taught how to survive in harsh elements.
Some of us are computer programmers. Some of us work at Starbucks or the gap. Huge, huge difference.
In the scenario where every zombie is drawn inexorably towards the nearest living human, it's almost a no-win situation. Are the zombies going to eventually die off, as in 28 Days Later? Then there's hope. Barricade yourself in the Cheyenne Mountain or Raven Rock bunkers, or on a well-stocked ship in the middle of the Pacific. Wait them out. In those scenarios, a small group of survivors have a chance.
If the zombies don't have an expiration date, well, you'd better prepare for the inevitable scene where you're torn to pieces and devoured.
If the zombies don't have an expiration date, well, you'd better prepare for the inevitable scene where you're torn to pieces and devoured.
You say we are immune to all infection? If thats the case i'd go zombie on the zombies! No zombie shall escape my benelli and taste for zombie flesh. I would be unstopable... until i run out of ammo but i don't think that will ever happen.
I would think that if a number of people held up individually in a number of well protected spots where the zombies can't get, like a sealed underground room, on a boat, etc. Then the zombies would eventually starve or rot into blobs. Then the survivors could leave and rebuild. Even if some poor fools get rooted out, as long as they're hiding spots only conain a few guys then the zombies never get everybody.
I bloody well hope it is, cause if there are zombies wandering about right now I would want to know about it!Flying-Emu said:
I think you need about 10,000 souls in any given community to ensure the gene pool is not corrupted via inbreeding. The real issue I find is how do you get 10,000 survivors into an area where they will be safe enough to survive when 75 times their numbers are all wandering around with ice-cream scoops?
Zombies are pretty much by definition dead. IE they would rot within a year (except in some cold areas, I guess). And if they are not dead, they are really dumb - so they can't farm animals or collect crops.
All you need to do is outlast them. Within 2-3 weeks 90% of the zombies will be dead. Within a few months, 99%. From hunger or just general decomposition. Within a few years - 99.9%.
Some long-term way would need to be developed in order to detect and deal with the problem (IE deal with accidentally infected people), but otherwise, it should be fine.
All you need to do is outlast them. Within 2-3 weeks 90% of the zombies will be dead. Within a few months, 99%. From hunger or just general decomposition. Within a few years - 99.9%.
Some long-term way would need to be developed in order to detect and deal with the problem (IE deal with accidentally infected people), but otherwise, it should be fine.
It's theoretically possible but very highly unlikely for most of us.
The fact that there IS a zombie apocalypse would shock most people into bewilderment and kill anyone who comes near them on sight. Zombie or still living.
So it would be very hard for anyone to create/form an organization to get through it. Government officials would do something drastic, I suppose, but let's not get the Government into this.
The fact that the most populated areas around the world (big cities such as New York, Hong Kong, etc.) everyone will most likely be turned. (There is no way in hell you're getting out of that shit.)
Even in less populated areas, zombies will most likely come to find you. If you don't own a gun, well you're kind of screwed in that situation.
There would be very, and I mean very, slim chances of females surviving something like that. If they play out like it did in Dawn of the Dead (which I doubt anyone is that lucky), then I guess they'd survive for a little while. So, basically, if anyone survived it would be mainly males and there would be, of course, a shortage of food unless there were a lot of them that are very skilled at killing zombies without being bitten and scrounging for food from malls, stores, etc. Even then, food goes bad eventually. So they would have to resort to hunting, which normally doesn't work too well in most countries where one would actually survive the apocalypse.
I could go on but I'll make my final point. I would most likely die in this situation and so would you. The chance of your or my survival would be possible, though less than 5% chance.
I may consider suicide for my own dignity. If I were conscious while being a zombie, that would be bloody amazing. But I digress.
The fact that there IS a zombie apocalypse would shock most people into bewilderment and kill anyone who comes near them on sight. Zombie or still living.
So it would be very hard for anyone to create/form an organization to get through it. Government officials would do something drastic, I suppose, but let's not get the Government into this.
The fact that the most populated areas around the world (big cities such as New York, Hong Kong, etc.) everyone will most likely be turned. (There is no way in hell you're getting out of that shit.)
Even in less populated areas, zombies will most likely come to find you. If you don't own a gun, well you're kind of screwed in that situation.
There would be very, and I mean very, slim chances of females surviving something like that. If they play out like it did in Dawn of the Dead (which I doubt anyone is that lucky), then I guess they'd survive for a little while. So, basically, if anyone survived it would be mainly males and there would be, of course, a shortage of food unless there were a lot of them that are very skilled at killing zombies without being bitten and scrounging for food from malls, stores, etc. Even then, food goes bad eventually. So they would have to resort to hunting, which normally doesn't work too well in most countries where one would actually survive the apocalypse.
I could go on but I'll make my final point. I would most likely die in this situation and so would you. The chance of your or my survival would be possible, though less than 5% chance.
I may consider suicide for my own dignity. If I were conscious while being a zombie, that would be bloody amazing. But I digress.
