Poll: International Burn a Koran Day

[Souplex]

I misread the title as "Burn a Korean". It's much more horrible that way.

 

[strum4h]

I have a picture that is the Quran burned on a cd and written in sharpie on the front is "Quran". I laughed quite a lot.

 

[lacktheknack]

Well, if it doesn't excuse terrorism or persecution, then it's irrelevant to my comment.

Well no, it's not an excuse for terrorism, but it is one of several reasons the Islamic world as a whole has so many problems with the West.

My point was more that you can't really use the fact that they've burned X, Y, or Z to support burning their equivalent, simply because if you're playing tit for tat then it's already more or less equal.

Again, I don't support burning the equivalent, but I also don't support the massive temper tantrum they're throwing.

 

[ayuri]

Maybe its more of a case of "being the bigger man". Stooping to their level tarnishes Americas reputation.

it is not stooping to their level it is not the religion declaring war they have people who have resorted to radicalism but that is a small group. I believe this has happened before uhh what was the name again oh right the CRUSADES but they were never at wrong because that time it was us not someone else.

 

[Ghonzor]

The main thing is thus:

Had the priest gone through with it, he would have knowingly put American soldiers in danger. That, my friends, is a form of treason and he could be executed for it.

 

[pigmypython]

Let him burn the stupid book. Sorry I'm not about political correctness today. The book has strong sentiment against any and all who are not Muslim. I don't believe in outlawing the book or getting rid of it but basically he is saying that he finds the contents inside the book offensive. Fine by me.

Side note, if someone was offended by the bible and burned one I would equally care less.

Also, as a point of fact, since the bombing at 9/11 there has been 1600 terrorist attacks around the world committed by Muslims. That is more than "a few extremists"...

 

[pigmypython]

i didnt pay much attention people with different religions will always be at each others throats and will kill each other given any half baked reason its just what religions are they are mechanisms of control and of murder of people the priests don't control this was just another example of the evil that all religions create and spread

I like your point and agree with it but next time some punctuation please lol ;D

 

[Levitas1234]

What the hell does one gain from setting fire to a religious symbol?

 

[Jewrean]

I've never heard of this celebration before. But no its completely fair, if they burn a bible or a flag or whatever then by freedom of speech you have the right to burn something of theirs too. Fair is fair. Doesn't mean you have to, prove to them that they are the backwards ones.

 

[Vanguard_Ex]

Oh god, really?

A fucking flag =/= their bible. It isn't the physical act, it's the principle and the symbolism.

 

[Nukey]

He's within his rights to do so, so let him. It's not a big deal. The Muslim community rioting and protesting against it just shows how dull witted and childish those wackos are.

They can burn a flag, a bible or whatever they feel like in their country, let us burn their stuff in ours.

 

[Hman121]

I think that he got the backlash because the U.S wanted to show to the world that they will not stoop down to the same level as protesters who burn American symbols world-wide.

 

[Therumancer]

to start with, no flaming. this a thread which screams "FLAME WAR!!", and im just not interested in that.

so lets keep it simple; a probably slightly slow american priest in the deep south declared september 11th "International Burn a Koran Day" for a reason he changed as media attention grew and grew. chances are you heard about it, as it made the front page on nearly every news outlet of import, exploding a minor issue that noone would have ever cared about it into a international incident that subsequently caused deaths in afghanistan, and riots over the muslim world.

since then the event has been cancelled and the priest has recieved death threats and western politicians every where have condemned it. muslim priests have declared "such a action must not even be considered".

however, muslims frequently burn american flags, american effigies (it was almost ironic to see arabs burning effigies of Obama to protest the burning of a symbol of import) and all sorts of things, is it that much of a outrage for a christian to want to do the same?

now its a simple question, is it wrong to ostracise a christian for burning a important symbol of a religion who routinely burn important symbols of his?

even simpler: did this priest deserve such a backlash? he was doing what muslims have been doing to his flag for the past 20 years.

My thoughts on the subject are pretty straightforward.

I think doing something like this is ridiculous in general, however by the same token I believe part of being free is your rigt to do stuff like this. If he is the legal owner of those books, he has the right to burn them if he so chooses.

The problem with the backlash this guy was facing is that it's a result of fear. Basically the entire reason for stopping him was because it was felt that by doing so this would incite Muslims to violence in retaliation.

If we wind up sacrificing our freedoms, such as the abillity to buy and burn your own property, due to fear of violence from another group, that is a BIG problem. That means that terrorism is working, because it's scaring us into treating the culture producing the terrorists differantly and into effectively making special exceptions for them. It encourages them to push harder for more capitulation.

People burn the US Flag, Bible, and other things and nobody bats an eye, because nobody is afraid of retaliation for doing so. It's not an uncommon thing, do a search for "Muslim Bible Burnings" on Yahoo or Google some time.

Burning the Quaran lacks class, and isn't a good thing, but by the same token I can understand his anger. Letting him do it, even if it resulted in deaths, is actually the lesser evil to taking action, or putting pressure on him to stop however.

This whole incident opened up a rather unpleasant can of worms all together. It's one of those situations where I think the guy was being stupid and inflammatory, but at the same time, I don't think anyone should be trying to stop him either even if he's stupid.

In the final equasion, I think that what this incident shows is that we need much stronger action against The Muslim Culture than we're currently involved in (as I've mentioned in other posts). To be entirely honest if world leaders were concerned about the international repercussions of some Redneck burning his own books, we can't be letting this continue. The entire globe should not be expected to walk on eggshells for fear of provoking violence over something so ridiculous. If things are as bad as they have been presented here, it pretty much makes a case for the failure of any and all attempts to resolve these conflicts. Religious fanatics, even millions of them, cannot, and should not, be allowed to hold the entire modern world in the grip of such terror.

Incidently if The Pope was sending catholics in to perform murderous commando raids nowadays in response to people burning bibles, I'd react the same way.

Normally I don't see any point to torching books (holy or otherwise) to make a point. However right now while I think our Redneck friend was being stupid, I think the overall resolution to this (so far) is even worse. Right now it almost makes me want to publically profane a Quaran, just to show that I'm not afraid of these guys since apparently the world leaders who have spoken on the subject are.

Truthfully I have nothing against Islam (since it can be practiced much like modern Christianity without bothering anyone), but I do have problems with a lot of the current Islamic Cultures (as I've explained before), but this situation is getting ridiculous to the point where I think you almost have to react like that due to the stupidity of our own goverments and leaders in doing exactly the wrong thing in response to this kind of situation when they should be showing strength, and have said that while burning the Quaran is stupid, it's his right to do so, and pretty much told anyone who had an objection to the idea of freedom to bring it on. I mean heck, if I was a general down in The Middle East, I would actually welcome attacks on my troops. I'd heighten security, for the right times, make sure everyone has extra ammo, and load up the aircraft with extra carpet bombs. Great way to figure out who the fanatics are, draw them out into the open to try and do things, and deal with them on the spot. I wouldn't have the goverment bait like this to begin with, but I'd gleefully have been exploiting a Redneck Quaran burning given the response.


Ahh well, I'm tired and annoyed. Apologies to whom this might offend, but it's my opinion. All rambling aside I think the situation is messed up all around. In the end it comes down to the basic idea that I don't think any religious text should be given special treatment like this. Whether it's the bible or the Quaran, if you buy it, it's yours to burn if that is what floats your boat. Your an idiot for doing something like that or course, but it's still your right and nobody should be allowed to intimidate us out of the right to do what we bloody well want to with our own property.

 

[Escapefromwhatever]

What the fuck is a Koran? Do you mean the Qur'an?

 

[Skratt]

to start with, no flaming. this a thread which screams "FLAME WAR!!", and im just not interested in that.

so lets keep it simple; a probably slightly slow american priest in the deep south declared september 11th "International Burn a Koran Day" for a reason he changed as media attention grew and grew. chances are you heard about it, as it made the front page on nearly every news outlet of import, exploding a minor issue that noone would have ever cared about it into a international incident that subsequently caused deaths in afghanistan, and riots over the muslim world.

since then the event has been cancelled and the priest has recieved death threats and western politicians every where have condemned it. muslim priests have declared "such a action must not even be considered".

however, [strong]some[/strong] muslims frequently burn american flags, american effigies (it was almost ironic to see arabs burning effigies of Obama to protest the burning of a symbol of import) and all sorts of things, is it that much of a outrage for a christian to want to do the same?

now its a simple question, is it wrong to ostracise a christian for burning a important symbol of a religion [strong]who's more fanatical members[/strong] burn important symbols of his?

even simpler: did this priest deserve such a backlash? he was doing what [strong]some[/strong] muslims have been doing to his flag for the past 20 years.

I didn't want to, but I have to. Fixed for you (in bold). Your questions were presented with implications of fact that are painted with a brush that is far too broad.

Yes, an international burning a Koran day is fucking ludicrous. It is on the level of ignorant expressions of hate and intolerance that could arguably be called one of the worst examples, ranking up there with Westboro. Technically it is protected speech, but just because something is protected does not make it a good idea, so yeah, the priest deserved every last ounce and probably a few pounds more of what he got.

 

[Souplex]

What the fuck is a Koran? Do you mean the Qur'an?

Actually since it wasn't originally written in the Engrish alphabet there is no correct spelling.

 

[ioxles]

sorry, for some reason I read burn a korean day.

I thought the world was really fucked up right there.

 

[RhombusHatesYou]

So some nutter is getting all this lovely attention for spouting shit?

Whoopty-fucking-do.

I could claim September 23rd as "INTERGALACTIC Wipe Your Arse With Mashed Potatoes Day" in protest against... oh, right... the clear felling of non-plantation timber to manufacture toilet paper. Would anyone listen to me? Would anyone pay the slightest attention to me except maybe to laugh or call to have me taken off for psych eval? Hopefully not.

If no one gave this fuckwit burning his qur'an/koran/koreans/sonderkommando/whatthefuckever any attention at all this thread wouldn't exist. We wouldn't know about it and we wouldn't give a flying fuck about it.

Think about that when you're wiping your arse with mashed potatoes on the 23rd.