Poll: International Burn a Koran Day
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Burning any item, be it a book, car, wallet, shoe, house or sofa is always perfectly acceptable as long as it is legal. No one has the right to not be offended and unless the act falls under destruction of private property no one has any authority to call it anything other than what it is: the burning of an inanimate object that is neither sacred nor holy in any way. It's just chemistry. Only extremely bigoted individuals need to claim otherwise.
I could say the same for you. Just because you can not see that we were trying to point out that nationalism is a religion in and of itself and all you do is act like you know everything. All those things you listed about what people fought for...guess what a lot of people think of when they look at the flag.Verlander said:
If you are going to say that one symbol outweighs another then sorry but that just knocks the credibility right down. Sorry, you can't see through your hate colored sunglasses but just because you don't believe that nationalism is a form of religion then I guess there's not much more to talk about. How is a holy book not the same as a banner to distinguish between someone how is or is not a jew, christian, or muslim...so on so forth.
Personally, I can't stand organized religion so I don't really care. But, hell I know a blind man when I talk to him
Burn whatever book they're currently reading and haven't finished. Guaranteed to annoy anyone.SimuLord said:
Yeah, you don't want to try symbolic burnings of stuff in Australia in summer. The fines for breaking fire bans can be pretty harsh.Chatney said:
"Nationalism involves a strong identification of a group of individuals with a political entity defined in national terms, i.e. a nation. Often, it is the belief that an ethnic group has a right to statehood, or that citizenship in a state should be limited to one ethnic group, or that multinationality in a single state should necessarily comprise the right to express and exercise national identity even by minorities."findelhe said:
Ripped straight from Wiki, but I'm not about to get the encyclopedia out and type it word for word. (oh and for your information nationalism isn't a religion. Not now, not ever. Some people may commit themselves to it as such, but it isn't. Some people also commit mass suicide in order to latch on to a passing comet. It doesn't make them right)
"Religion is the belief in and worship of a god or gods, or a set of beliefs concerning the origin and purpose of the universe. It is commonly regarded as consisting of a person?s relation to God or to gods or spirits. Many religions have narratives, symbols, traditions and sacred histories associated with their deity or deities, that are intended to give meaning to life. They tend to derive morality, ethics, religious laws or a preferred lifestyle from their ideas about the cosmos and human nature."
A flag is representative of Nationalism (in your words) and a holy book is representative of religion. Nationalism is a (potentially) hateful political belief in the way a country should be run, largely on specific rules, and Religion is a (potentially) hateful upbringing, source of law, source of morality, and most importantly, it is the basis for the way every individual is raised and conditioned, in the world. Therefore burning a holy book is not only an insult to millions, but it is FAR more symbolic, historic and representative than something small like a flag.
Lastly, you accuse me of being hateful, while you are the one advocating a huge insult to millions of people that you have never met, and probably some people you already know. You are protecting Nationalism, a political ideology that has more criticisms than positives, and is the cause of some of the worst tragedies in human history, all because I disagree with a flags importance. All I can say is that you sir are a hypocrite and a hate monger. One day I hope you owe your life to a brave doctor, policeman, firefighter or soldier who is Mulsim, so you can understand exactly what it is that you are saying
I don't agree with what the man did, Islam was not responsible for 9/11 (yes Muslims were behind the attacks but by that merit shouldn't all Christians be evil crusaders) but the outrage this has generated shows that there are two sets of standards at play here. Freedom of speech means you will be offended at some point, so don't go treating one group with hatred and then expressing anger when that group does the same to you.
Also this.discordance said:
Just how tall a bridge we talkin about here? If the fall is less than ~20 feet, and the waters deep enough, hell, I'll give her a shot. But if the fall is enough to kill my ass, then I'll pass. So, I guess what I have against jumping off bridges is... death.The Amazing Tea Alligator said:
Lemme put it this way:
Don't sink to their level.
Muslims burning symbols of other people's culture is just as wrong and offensive as Americans burning symbols of other people's religion. The fact the media blew this out of proportion is irrelevant, the people burning American symbols are doing something just as wrong as what that priest planned to do, and I'm sure the vast majority of Muslims with more than a few braincells between their ears think doing so is similarly stupid and outrageous.
Don't sink to their level.
Muslims burning symbols of other people's culture is just as wrong and offensive as Americans burning symbols of other people's religion. The fact the media blew this out of proportion is irrelevant, the people burning American symbols are doing something just as wrong as what that priest planned to do, and I'm sure the vast majority of Muslims with more than a few braincells between their ears think doing so is similarly stupid and outrageous.
Wow,did I ever say nationalism is good? No. You just assumed that since I disagreed with your view that I did. If you want to continue the witch hunt go ahead. Still, saying that one object > other object is just sad. You don't need a book or anything like that to learn whatever morality you are taught...the object itself holds no importance unless you let it. I was just pointing out that all symbols at their base are the same. The only thing that makes them important is us.Verlander said:
I'm done because I apparently can't have a debate with you without being called a nazi. Man, you can't stand other opinion can you
Come on, we all know where this is going. Let's round them all up into camps already.tanis1lionheart said:
In order to analyse that statement, we must first explore the concept of "terrorism wins". Under what circumstances would terrorism win? The answer is, presumably, if/when it achieves its goals, or makes any progress towards achieving its goals. So, what are its goals? Of course, there is no single, well-defined set of published goals we can point to to answer this question, but essentially the one and only goal of Islamic terrorism that I can see is to stop the west from continually raping and pillaging their lands, both militarily and non-militarily, as we have been doing non-stop since WW1 and before.Deshin said:
So I fail to see how stopping some guy from publicly burning a Koran would help the terrorists' cause in any way.
I don't think many Muslims actually care a great deal about Koran burnings. That is not the reason why Koran burnings are bad. It's okay to offend people; I don't think any sensible person can argue otherwise. The reason why Koran burnings are bad is because, if we can stand by while someone calls all Muslims evil and burns the Koran, and no-one lifts a finger to stop him, then we've already passed the point of no return, so we'd better start building those death camps.
tzimize said:
I can understand that position, but not all speech is protected by the First Amendment. Like, incitement to violence.magnuslion said:
The KKK should be allowed to do their little rituals, but not at a Martin Luther King memorial on the anniversary of his death. Neo-Nazi groups should be allowed to do their little marches, but not at a holocaust memorial on the anniversary of Kristallnacht.
And so, this dude should be allowed to burn Korans, but not on the anniversary of 9/11, because to do so is to blame all the world's Muslims for that attack, and can do nothing but encourage violence against Muslims.
Not really. Christianity comes from the Middle East originally and more than 60% of the world's Christians live in countries outside North America, Europe, Australia, New Zealand and Russia.Furburt said:
If people were burning Bibles, Fox News would be all over that shit. I've never heard of even the most radical of Muslims saying anything bad about Christianity, even though Bush used Christian allegory to justify and curry support for his invasions of Muslim lands in a similar way to how Muslim terrorists attempted to use their own faith to justify and curry support for their actions.
Oh no? You don't think Bill O'Reilly would damn near give himself a hernia from ranting about it?mgs16925 said:
I think it would be worse, but it would be different people doing the lashing back (extreme right wing rather than centre/left), and for different reasons (to promote fear rather than to oppose racism).Indignation837 said:
All 1.57 billion of them?lacktheknack said:
Someone did drop a Koran in a toilet: a US serviceman at Guantanamo Bay.
Burning a Koran is terrorism and persecution.lacktheknack said:
the thing is that this pastor has probably helped terrorist organizations get new recruits with his racism. he might end up being responsible for several deaths. apparently he died in a car crash after returning from New York.
I don't think you understood what I was saying. You just agreed with my point. The reaction wouldn't be from the center/left in the case of a bible-burning. The same people who went into a frenzy when they heard a Koran-burning was happening wouldn't lift a finger to stop a Bible-burning from happening. It's inconsistent. If you're going to try and enforce a rule for one religion, you need to enforce it for all religions, or not enforce it for any.oktalist said:
Also, you do realize that Islam is a religion and not a race, right? There are Caucasian Muslims just as there are Arab Christians. Your religion is something you can change throughout your life as your beliefs change and you experience new things, but you race is something you're born with and can't ever change (unless your name is Michael Jackson, am I right fellas? *ba-dum tss*).
