Poll: Is abortion murder?

[Maze1125]

I would not walk around with a parasite inside me for 9 months

A fetus is not a parasite.
A parasite, by definition, has to be a different species to the host.

 

[Zannah]

Until actually giving birth, it's as much murder as would cutting your own thumb off be (In my humble opinion, anyway).

 

[Maze1125]

I think a woman should be able to abort whenever she decides to. Until the thing is born, I don't class it as a person, and therefore it's free game to kill it.

And what magical thing occurs at birth that instils personhood into the child?

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

I think a woman should be able to abort whenever she decides to. Until the thing is born, I don't class it as a person, and therefore it's free game to kill it.

And what magical thing occurs at birth that instils personhood into the child?

Because at that point(I think), the baby is no longer leeching off the mother like a parasite, and starts functioning on it's own. In short, when the connection to the mother is cut, I'll classify it as a person.

That's simply how I view it.

 

[Maze1125]

I think a woman should be able to abort whenever she decides to. Until the thing is born, I don't class it as a person, and therefore it's free game to kill it.

And what magical thing occurs at birth that instils personhood into the child?

Because at that point(I think), the baby is no longer leeching off the mother like a parasite, and starts functioning on it's own. In short, when the connection to the mother is cut, I'll classify it as a person.

That's simply how I view it.

So you don't believe that conjoined twins are individual people then?

 

[HuntrRose]

Aborttion done within the time limit set by most countries where abortion is legal (12 weeks) is not murder. After that time there is a larger moral dilemma involved

 

[Zannah]

In related note - how come that absolutely all supporters of the 'abortion is murder'-nonsense are male? I hate to jump on the feminist bandwagon here, but what the fuck? How can you honestly condemn someone by default to through an amount of pain and risk you have no way of understanding? (Sure, I can't tell by personal experience either, but I can imagine something the size of a baby going out through there to be pretty fucking painful.)

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

I think a woman should be able to abort whenever she decides to. Until the thing is born, I don't class it as a person, and therefore it's free game to kill it.

And what magical thing occurs at birth that instils personhood into the child?

Because at that point(I think), the baby is no longer leeching off the mother like a parasite, and starts functioning on it's own. In short, when the connection to the mother is cut, I'll classify it as a person.

That's simply how I view it.

So you don't believe that conjoined twins are individual people then?

Um...where on earth did you get that idea from?

Conjoined twins are a completely different case. They have separate brain activity, which makes them individuals. Physical attachment is irrelevant. You could stitch two people together and they would still be two different people.

 

[ragestreet]

I don't think so.

 

[Maze1125]

In related note - how come that absolutely all supporters of the 'abortion is murder'-nonsense are male?

They're not, there are loads of women against it too. This board, however, is predominantly male, hence any view point here is going to be supported by more men than women, and if it's a small view point, there's a reasonable possibility that the only supporters of it on this forum will be male, just by chance.

 

[Maze1125]

They have separate brain activity, which makes them individuals.

And a fetus's brain activity is distinict from its mother's, hence, by your own argument:

Physical attachment is irrelevant.

 

[Mr Snuffles]

To be quite honest, I think it is not.

I don't consider anything murder unless the "thing" has developed conscious thought, and someone has formed some sort of relationship between them (Yes it can be a one way relationship)

But if you think about it, really, all we are is a series of complex chemical reactions spurred on by electrical energy stored in some cells...

 

[Zannah]

In related note - how come that absolutely all supporters of the 'abortion is murder'-nonsense are male?

They're not, there are loads of women against it too. This board, however, is predominantly male, hence any view point here is going to be supported by more men than women, and if it's a small view point, there's a reasonable possibility that the only supporters of it on this forum will be male, just by chance.

Name one, for I sure never have seen any. Even my mother, stupid as she is, and actively supporting the way women are treated in her religion, up to the point of trying to force me into wearing a scarf, kept her head down on that topic (unlike my brothers anyway).
The point however stands, how can anyone male comment on this topic at all?

 

[Moccamonster]

I haven't decided yet.

On one end, yes, a foetus isn't a conscieus human being yet.
On the other hand, it will become a human.

One thing though, I hate how people use the argument of a vegetative state and how we end their lives as well. The obvious difference is that people in a vegetative state will never be in a conscious state of mind again.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

They have separate brain activity, which makes them individuals.

And a fetus's brain activity is distinict from its mother's, hence, by your own argument:

Physical attachment is irrelevant.

The conjoined twins are not parasites. They are simply physically attached in a way that shouldn't happen normally. But this isn't about conjoined twins.

When the umbilical cord is cut(at birth), the baby stops living off someone else for it's own survival. That's when I think it counts as a person.

I'm really not interested in a debate here. I came to the thread to state my opinion on abortion, and that's all. So I'm out.

 

[Freakydemon]

No, http://commonsenseatheism.com/?p=8955

 

[Woodsey]

No, it's not murder.

And in the case of any negative affect the baby's birth will have on the mother then the mother's right wins every time.

Obviously such a thing needs a limit on it, which most countries have. I'm not saying it's not a person until the second it gets born.

In related note - how come that absolutely all supporters of the 'abortion is murder'-nonsense are male?

They're not, there are loads of women against it too. This board, however, is predominantly male, hence any view point here is going to be supported by more men than women, and if it's a small view point, there's a reasonable possibility that the only supporters of it on this forum will be male, just by chance.

Name one, for I sure never have seen any. Even my mother, stupid as she is, and actively supporting the way women are treated in her religion, up to the point of trying to force me into wearing a scarf, kept her head down on that topic (unlike my brothers anyway).
The point however stands, how can anyone male comment on this topic at all?

Because a child that two people have is just as much the father's as it is the mother's?

What a fucking ignorant comment.

 

[Maze1125]

Name one,

Emma Williams

The point however stands, how can anyone male comment on this topic at all?

Easy, men can be fathers and approximately 50% of babies are male. It's hardly the case the men have no investment in this discussion.

 

[scbunchy]

All I know is I'm glad I wasn't aborted, and based on that I feel I really feel I'd be a hypocrite to say it's alright to abort your child when my mother didn't.