Poll: Is abortion murder?

[Tdc2182]

Yes, let's all use words like "murder" to describe this, so we can easily incite anger and outrage.

And let's also pretend that our current foster care system is not entirely fucked up.

You don't like the word murder? Than let's use something different. How about "dispatching"? Let's take what will one day be a walking and talking person and throw it away? That's not overdoing it either, because that is exactly what happens.

And because our Foster care system is messed up, we are resorting to "dispatching" the fetuses? Because if that doesn't say responsibility, I don't know what does.

 

[The_Decoy]

Glad to see the majority of the escapist agree it's not murder, there's a reason it's called a foetus rather than a baby. Though once it could survive outside the womb, then it could be murder I suppose. But we don't allow abortion that late, so it's fine.


Oh and completely off topic but,

Science. It works bitches.

I have this t-shirt

 

[MrJohnson]

In the same way birth control, pulling out, masturbation, wet dreams, homosexuality, and orphans born to be released when there 18 into a world they can't fit into too and get murdered or commit suicide due to their inability to find a place in a society they were kept away from simply due to the irresponsibility of the parents.

 

[Vhite]

As long as it prevents someone from living its murder for me.

 

[gamer_parent]

Yes, let's all use words like "murder" to describe this, so we can easily incite anger and outrage.

And let's also pretend that our current foster care system is not entirely fucked up.

You don't like the word murder? Than let's use something different. How about "dispatching"? Let's take what will one day be a walking and talking person and throw it away? That's not overdoing it either, because that is exactly what happens.

And because our Foster care system is messed up, we are resorting to "dispatching" the fetuses? Because if that doesn't say responsibility, I don't know what does.

calm down, dude.

I was just trying to push your buttons. I can't say I really care for this kind of debate, since it always ends up with people getting pissed at each other.

 

[magicaxis]

The difference between abortion and murder is this: murder is like throwing a cake against the wall, while abortion is getting the cake mix box out of the cupboard, and then deciding its not a good idea to make a cake and putting it back, ready to be made another day. Abstinence is like never even buying the cake mix.

 

[gamer_parent]

The difference between abortion and murder is this: murder is like throwing a cake against the wall, while abortion is getting the cake mix box out of the cupboard, and then deciding its not a good idea to make a cake and putting it back, ready to be made another day. Abstinence is like never even buying the cake mix.

except that you're not exactly "saving up" the fertilized fetus for a raining day when you really got a yeng for a baby.

a more apt anology would be like saying that abortion is more like having already started making the cake, but then decided that for whatever reason you don't want to go through with making the cake, and just pouring the ingredients out.

 

[Maze1125]

Whats the magic word? Wrong

It was "Adoption".

That's even better, let's make the rest of society pay for the criminal actions of one man.

Hmm, alright then. Lets just murder the child so we don't have to deal with our problems. Just like every good parent.

Good glad we agree.
Parents who want to abort are likely to be bad parents.
So why exactly are you trying to force a child to live a life with bad parents? (As, lets face it, most parents like that aren't responsible enough to put a child up for a adoption.)

 

[Christopher Mckay]

you cant murder a person who cant live at least semi independently, you simply stop supporting them. so even if a cluster of cells is somehow a living thing, i see it no different then taking someone off of life support. perhaps even more acceptable because the mother isn't a hospital or public service, it's the same as if i refused to have a hospital ward in my living room.
people may die but it's my living room!

 

[TailstheHedgehog]

I hate society's double standard. If someone kills a pregnant woman, it is a double count for the woman and her unborn child. Oh, but it is PERFECTLY fine for the woman to consent to the child being offed for convenience's sake!

Yes, it is murder.

Are you a woman? Imagine if you fell involuntarily pregnant, for whatever reason? Say your sixteen, seventeen? Would your mindset change then?

 

[ninetails593]

That's stupid. People abort when they can't take care of the child they're bringing into the world. If you say they shouldn't abort, then this will happen: The mother and father will go into financial debt from raising the son, and you have three hobos, one of which is a little baby. If someone can't support a child and wants to abort, they have every right.

 

[Zac Smith]

It's impossible to get a definitive answer and everyone to agree the same, its such a delicate topic. Personally I see it as most circumstances, "You made your bed, you lie in it" obviously as with most situations, some exceptions will arise

 

[Tdc2182]

Yes, let's all use words like "murder" to describe this, so we can easily incite anger and outrage.

And let's also pretend that our current foster care system is not entirely fucked up.

You don't like the word murder? Than let's use something different. How about "dispatching"? Let's take what will one day be a walking and talking person and throw it away? That's not overdoing it either, because that is exactly what happens.

And because our Foster care system is messed up, we are resorting to "dispatching" the fetuses? Because if that doesn't say responsibility, I don't know what does.

calm down, dude.

I was just trying to push your buttons. I can't say I really care for this kind of debate, since it always ends up with people getting pissed at each other.

Oh, so you were trying to get me pissed. Great answer. What a mature person you are.

 

[BonsaiK]

I personally think it is murder. Lumps of flesh don't have ears and eyes, and they don't swallow and have the ability to kick you while in the womb.

Thread belongs in religion and politics, as this is both a political and religious issue.

Abortion defintely does kill something. Even if it is murder, I still support it.

 

[chieften]

If it can survive out of the womb with little assistance then it is a true human.

 

[gamer_parent]

Oh, so you were trying to get me pissed. Great answer. What a mature person you are.

see, this is why I generally don't participate in these discussions. Had those been my honest opinions, you would have still ended up getting upset. God forbid someones wants to play the devils advocate, people will end upset no matter what.

Granted, I was just being a dick, I have no problem admitting that. But that's because even before I replied I knew that people would get too worked up over stuff like this.

For the record though, I support the right to choose, but I would never opt for that option myself.

 

[Azaradel]

For all you going: "She shouldn't be allowed to abort the child (unless she was raped) when she can just put it up for adoption."

- I take it none of you have figured out that giving birth is not only a pretty damn painful, but also traumatic experience? I can't speak for other people, but I would not walk around with a parasite inside me for 9 months and suffer through a painful birth, only to give the baby away. Maybe you would, but that's your choice.

For all you going: "If you had consensual sex, it's your own fucking fault and you are not allowed to abort! Take some fucking repsonsibility!!!"

- So if I have sex, but do it as a responsible adult, using protection, and end up being one of those few percent that does end up pregant anyway, I am instantly labelled a whore and should "take responsibility for my actions"? It's funny, because I was under the impression that, in using protection to begin with, I was being the responsibile adult (ignoring the fact that it did not work as intended)

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I firmly believe that any woman, for any reason, should be allowed to abort her unborn child (within the timeframes given for abortion) - it's her body, and you have absolutely no saying in what she does with it.

 

[LooK iTz Jinjo]

You're not a human being until you're in my phone book.

 

[gamer_parent]

For all you going: "She shouldn't be allowed to abort the child (unless she was raped) when she can just put it up for adoption."

- I take it none of you have figured out that giving birth is not only a pretty damn painful, but also traumatic experience? I can't speak for other people, but I would not walk around with a parasite inside me for 9 months and suffer through a painful birth, only to give the baby away. Maybe you would, but that's your choice.

Just a small nitpick, most first pregnancies are 10 months.

Also, the average delivery time, depending upon which study you read, goes anywhere between 12 to 26 hours. (I suspect 12 is because at the 12th hour mark, most hospitals will pretty much tell you to go get your C-section)

My wife? 56 hours and THEN a C-section, with maybe 4 hours of sleep for her in between.

 

[Mr Cwtchy]

I think a woman should be able to abort whenever she decides to. Until the thing is born, I don't class it as a person, and therefore it's free game to kill it.